The US Hamster Wheel
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"Not at all. I have no side and would rather the better man than the right side"
That s good, but in this day and age you are treading on thin ice by stating "better man" rather than "better person", after all Hillary is Female???
That s good, but in this day and age you are treading on thin ice by stating "better man" rather than "better person", after all Hillary is Female???
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Trueprospector wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:10 am"Not at all. I have no side and would rather the better man than the right side"
That s good, but in this day and age you are treading on thin ice by stating "better man" rather than "better person", after all Hillary is Female???
Suffice it to say I would never have naturally voted for Clinton if I had been eligible, which I am not. Not on the basis of her sex anyway, but, given these straitened times, would certainly have done anything to prevent the abomination that is Trump.
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If he can get through his TERMS in office without starting another war, then he would have achieved something that no other American president has managed for a long time.
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True...prospector wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:31 amIf he can get through his TERMS in office without starting another war, then he would have achieved something that no other American president has managed for a long time.
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Did you catch crabs there, Ben?
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"How he deludes so many people makes me worry about the basic intelligence of human beings."
Gob,this is what the Democrats and the media do.Their position is that the average US citizen does not have enough intelligence to draw their own conclusions.The Democrats continually postulate that their interlectual superiority knows what is best for all voters.
Hillary Clinton refered ,fatally, to her presidential aspirations ,to these US voters as "Deplorables" and she was never able to recover from such an insult to so many people who held the balance to elect her to office.As we now know, she and the Democrats refuse to accept the outcome of the 2016 Elections.
Gob,this is what the Democrats and the media do.Their position is that the average US citizen does not have enough intelligence to draw their own conclusions.The Democrats continually postulate that their interlectual superiority knows what is best for all voters.
Hillary Clinton refered ,fatally, to her presidential aspirations ,to these US voters as "Deplorables" and she was never able to recover from such an insult to so many people who held the balance to elect her to office.As we now know, she and the Democrats refuse to accept the outcome of the 2016 Elections.
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STD's aside I see that angry Canadian crabs are attacking the American Maine crabs. Could this be a reprise of 1812? Will the White House go up in smoke again?
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A Category A Error, I give you that. Not so much deplorable as an egregious error which undid her.Seenenough wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:39 am
Hillary Clinton refered ,fatally to her presidential aspirations ,to these US voters as "Deplorables"
Nobody likes an arrogant "smart arse"...
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"Nobody likes an arrogant "smart arse"... "
I can think of a few more around here who would meet you criteria.
I can think of a few more around here who would meet you criteria.
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I am always happy to speak for myself seenenough...Seenenough wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:52 am"Nobody likes an arrogant "smart arse"... "
I can think of a few more around here who would meet you criteria.
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The question is whether political pressure was applied to take him off the job. The crew of the carrier know what he did for them.Seenenough wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:31 pmLittle correction.The Secretary of the Navy relieved Captain Crozier of his Command of the USS Theodore Roosevelt.He will likely,as with Vindeman be reassigned.
Also a retired Captain weighed in on the political side
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I tend to be on the side of Captain Crozier, too, but I'm a bit skeptical about the axe falling from above the Navy chain of command. Now that he's a hero he can write a book and cash in. Or maybe he'll just fade away.
My takeaway is that he stood up for his troops and I can only applaud that. There's time to examine the sequence of events, who ordered his cashiering, and what they all were thinking. It's a story yet to be told. For now, my take is that his honor was more important to him than his career, which I regard as a wise choice, and I salute him.
My takeaway is that he stood up for his troops and I can only applaud that. There's time to examine the sequence of events, who ordered his cashiering, and what they all were thinking. It's a story yet to be told. For now, my take is that his honor was more important to him than his career, which I regard as a wise choice, and I salute him.
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Yes, he took the action he considered was best for the welfare of his men regardless of the personal cost.BenThere wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:20 amI tend to be on the side of Captain Crozier, too, but I'm a bit skeptical about the axe falling from above the Navy chain of command. Now that he's a hero he can write a book and cash in. Or maybe he'll just fade away.
My takeaway is that he stood up for his troops and I can only applaud that. There's time to examine the sequence of events, who ordered his cashiering, and what they all were thinking. It's a story yet to be told. For now, my take is that his honor was more important to him than his career, which I regard as a wise choice, and I salute him.
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My God, I agree with you! Crozier is an honest, decent, honorable American officer! Period. He should never have been treated this way. Follow the chain of command and realize that arses were on the line all the way to the top. Lots of arses with no balls... because none of the lame, tame, Navy, citizen, apparatchiks between him and the loony at the top were going take any heat.BenThere wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:20 amI tend to be on the side of Captain Crozier, too, but I'm a bit skeptical about the axe falling from above the Navy chain of command. Now that he's a hero he can write a book and cash in. Or maybe he'll just fade away.
My takeaway is that he stood up for his troops and I can only applaud that. There's time to examine the sequence of events, who ordered his cashiering, and what they all were thinking. It's a story yet to be told. For now, my take is that his honor was more important to him than his career, which I regard as a wise choice, and I salute him.
Captain Crozier shouldn't be writing books. He should be in command of his ship!
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One of my most vivid USAF experiences was flying as the number 7 tanker in an 8 tanker formation that refueled the entire Roosevelt fleet operating out of the Red Sea at the beginning of GW1. As I recall, there were 64 Roosevelt aircraft plus the eight of us refueling in an air refueling anchor oval. As number 7 I observed the entire phalanx in front of me, a sight that made me think of the massive bomber formations of WWII. I had 8 Navy fighters on my wing, bristling with missiles and bombs, offloaded the gas, then they departed on their way to Iraq. We were in Saudi airspace. It was majestic, and once I saw that I knew Iraq didn't stand a chance in that one.
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Maybe the saga of Captain Crozier goes way back, the Acting Secretary of the Navy was an aeroplane driver for the navy in his earlier days, maybe a pay back for a incident in the past???
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The telling of truth is anathema to someone like Chump. Toxic.
Crozier was doomed the moment he spoke truthfully in the public sphere.
Crozier was doomed the moment he spoke truthfully in the public sphere.
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"Trump fires Michael Atkinson, intelligence IG who told Congress about Ukraine phone call"
This one will set off a media firestorm.
This one will set off a media firestorm.
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"At his daily briefing, Mr Trump said "there will be death" in a grim assessment of the days ahead." - a real JIGJAM, ain't he?
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Nobody knows more about death than Chump-it’s official! There’s an interesting prospect? And what competent official remaining after all the sackings would take the helm and steer the USA out into calmer safer waters?