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#7741 Post by boing » Tue Aug 18, 2020 3:13 pm

I use Google News to find information. Because they are a self-styled "aggregator" of news articles they are subject to a massive amount of anti-Trump reporting but the "aggregator" function also means that you will still find some assessments that are worth reading. It is strange that Al Jazeera has become one of the most balanced sources of US reporting.

There is no doubt for the belief that the US press is virulently anti_Trump and will distort any comment or action to create a bad impression. OK, the fellow is not great as an international leader but if all you use to make a judgement is the US press then you have been sold a bunch of extreme partisan propaganda.

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#7742 Post by Boac » Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:54 pm

Dushan - this is a major part of your problem.

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#7743 Post by Seenenough » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:19 pm

Just to put it into context.

Website, NowThisNews.com. NowThis News is a progressive social media- focused news organization founded in 2012

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#7744 Post by OFSO » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:43 pm

I use only one trusted source for information, news, tech tips, whatever.......... and it is Ops Normal. Yes !

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#7745 Post by Boac » Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:59 pm

Just to put it into context.
- remind me who is giving the history lessons? Can you?

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#7746 Post by FD2 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 8:15 pm

From boing: It is strange that Al Jazeera has become one of the most balanced sources of US reporting

+1 and add the UK and the rest of the big wide world, outside the locally obsessed US and UK media areas.

Give it a go: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/ It won't bite.

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#7747 Post by Seenenough » Tue Aug 18, 2020 10:51 pm

The cesspool of politics.

"Jill Biden’s ex-husband has accused the potential first lady of having an affair with Joe Biden and says they lied about how they met in the 1970s, according to a bombshell new report.

Bill Stevenson on Monday accused the presumptive Democratic nominee of being a home-wrecker and says the feel-good story of how Joe and Jill met on a blind date is completely made up, the Daily Mail reported.

“I don’t want to hurt anyone,” said Stevenson, now 72, who is working on a book that includes the lurid claim. “But facts are facts and what happened, happened.” "

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#7748 Post by FD2 » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:14 pm

Does that put Biden on a par with Trump?

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#7749 Post by prospector » Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:28 pm

Is this the depths Democrats are sinking too with their politicking??

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/08/18/w ... ch-father/

Kristin Urquiza’s powerful speech at the DNC, which paid tribute to her father, has won over many but just what do we know about Kristin Urquiza?

Who runs American States, the local Governor, or the President of the country??

Another interesting talk b y Bill O'Reilly, quite a heads up on the Dem team, especially why Harris was selected as his running mate.


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#7750 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:26 am

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... p-n1237002

RUSSIA INVESTIGATION
Trump says he didn't discuss hacked emails with Roger Stone. A bipartisan Senate report says he did.
The report says the Intelligence Committee assessed that Trump discussed hacked emails with Stone — even though Trump told Robert Mueller he didn't recall doing so.

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President Donald Trump during a campaign rally Monday in Oshkosh, Wis.Evan Vucci / AP
Aug. 18, 2020, 6:55 AM MST
By Ken Dilanian
WASHINGTON — In a thousand-page bipartisan report released Tuesday, the Senate Intelligence Committee painted a stark portrait of a Trump campaign eager to accept help from a foreign power in 2016, as well as a candidate closely involved in the effort.

The Senate report, the most detailed account to date of the Trump campaign's embrace of Russian election interference, also asserted that the allegations that Ukraine interfered in the election — which President Donald Trump perpetuated — originated with Russian intelligence agencies.

The report, which the committee's Republican majority approved, said the committee assessed that the president discussed hacked emails with his longtime associate Roger Stone — even though Trump told special counsel Robert Mueller that he didn't recall having done so.


Senate Intelligence Committee report says Trump campaign was eager to accept help from foreign power
AUG. 18, 202001:45
The report highlighted some never-before-seen evidence about Trump and Russia, including three allegations of potentially compromising material relating to Trump's private trips to Russia that were unconnected to the dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.

"Separate from Steele's memos, which the Committee did not use for support, the Committee became aware of three general sets of allegations" involving women, the report said, two of which described a tape. No such allegations were confirmed, but the finding lent new credence to at least one claim in the widely discredited Steele dossier.

The committee endorsed the view of Mueller and the Stone prosecution team that the Trump campaign eagerly embraced Russian help in 2016 and considered the hacked emails its "October surprise," even though campaign officials knew the material had been stolen by Russian intelligence.

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"While the GRU and WikiLeaks were releasing hacked documents, the Trump Campaign sought to maximize the impact of those materials to aid Trump's electoral prospects," the report said. "To do so, the Trump campaign took actions to obtain advance notice about WikiLeaks releases of Clinton emails; took steps to obtain inside information about the content of releases once WikiLeaks began to publish stolen information; created messaging strategies to promote and share the materials in anticipation of and following their release; and encouraged further theft of information and continued leaks."

The committee said it also developed evidence that Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort may have been connected to the Russian operation to steal and leak Democratic emails. If that had been proven in court, it would have constituted "collusion," by any definition, but no such charge was ever brought. Manafort was convicted of fraud and tax charges unrelated to Russia.


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The committee found that the Trump transition team exposed itself to Russian influence.

"Russia and other countries took advantage of the Transition Team's inexperience, transparent opposition to Obama Administration policies, and Trump's desire to deepen ties with Russia, to pursue unofficial channels through which Russia could conduct diplomacy," the report said. "The lack of vetting of foreign interactions by Transition officials left the Transition open to influence and manipulation by foreign intelligence services, government leaders, and co-opted business executives."

It added, "Russian officials, intelligence services, and others acting on the Kremlin's behalf were capable of exploiting the Transition's shortcomings for Russia's advantage. Based on available information it is possible — and even likely — that they did so."

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Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement that the report's "detailed review of Vladimir Putin's campaign to elect then-candidate Donald Trump reveals damning and illuminating facts about the actions taken by President Trump, his family, and his most senior campaign advisors, and it goes beyond the work of Special Counsel Robert Mueller. It shows how much the Trump campaign relied on hacked Russian information for its own political gain, while courting multiple connections with Moscow's operatives."

The report portrayed Stone as the campaign's go-between with WikiLeaks, which was receiving the hacked emails from Russian intelligence officers. Trump, in written responses to the special counsel, said he didn't remember having discussed WikiLeaks with Stone, "nor do I recall being aware of Mr. Stone having discussed WikiLeaks with individuals associated with my campaign."

The report said, "Despite Trump's recollection, the committee assesses that Trump did, in fact, speak with Stone about WikiLeaks and with members of his campaign about Stone's access to WikiLeaks on multiple occasions."

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Mueller report shows Trump campaign left itself wide open to Russians, officials say
Of Ukraine, the report said Russian-government operatives from late 2016 until at least January 2020 consistently spread "overlapping false narratives which sought to discredit investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 elections and spread false information about the events of 2016."

The report said Manafort associate Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian intelligence officer, "almost certainly helped arrange some of the first public messaging that Ukraine had interfered in the U.S. election."

In 2017, the report said, "other Russian-government proxies and personas worked to spread the false narrative that Ukraine interfered in the U.S. election."


July: Robert Mueller writes that Roger Stone remains a convicted felon
JULY 12, 202008:22
The committee "identified no reliable evidence that the Ukrainian government interfered in the 2016 U.S. election."

In a statement, White House spokesman Judd Deere said: "After a Special Counsel, numerous other committee investigations, and four prior reports from this Committee, the Senate Intelligence Report affirms what we have known for years. There was absolutely no collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia — a fact verified on page 181 of the Mueller Report. This never-ending, baseless conspiracy theory peddled by radical liberals and their partners in the media demonstrates how incapable they are at accepting the will of the American people and the results of the 2016 election. They should stop wasting tax-payer dollars with partisan witch hunts and actually work to accomplish things for this country."

In another development on the Russia front, a source familiar with the matter told NBC News that former CIA Director John Brennan is expected to be interviewed Friday by John Durham, the prosecutor who is investigating the origins of the Trump-Russia investigation.

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#7751 Post by Seenenough » Wed Aug 19, 2020 1:36 am

It is actually quite astounding how Bernie Sanders has set himself up as the party controller of the DNC without being on the ballot in the general election himself.

It is much like the ANC Secretary General being the boss of the ANC approved and appointed President in South Africa.

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#7752 Post by FD2 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:38 am

Thanks pp - very interesting. Isn't that just like those mean, twisted, pinko lefties to go on and on criticising The Donald, but wait, the assessment that he discussed hacked emails with Stone was approved by a Republican controlled committee! Poor old Donald - memory selectively vague again. :)) =))

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#7753 Post by Boac » Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:29 am

'Seen' you couldn't answer, Seen.

The 'news' from "Jill Biden’s ex-husband" is a real shocker, isn't it?

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#7754 Post by FD2 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:51 pm

On the campaign trail. another 'trump' emerges:

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12358126

Thank God we've got this source of real news to keep us in the picture in New Zealand.

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#7755 Post by Karearea » Wed Aug 19, 2020 11:29 pm

What I have never understood is why this person's pronouncements and witterings or twitterings have been front page news here for the past four years, as if they mattered; I have never seen anything like it with other US presidents or the leader of any other country, what's behind this relentless reporting?
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#7756 Post by FD2 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 12:21 am

Karearea +1 Can't understand it either.

Press has obsession with him, maybe wondering what he'll lie about or just make up, sorry 'miss-speak' about, next.

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#7757 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:04 am

FD2 & Karearea:

I am willing to trade you straight up...Trump for Jacinda Ardern. Even willing to sweeten the deal by throwing in Mike Pence.
You get a "very stable genius" who knows more than the generals and more than the medical experts.
A real smoke'n deal.
Don't pass this up.

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#7758 Post by FD2 » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:10 am

Thanks for the kind offer pp, don't be offended if I refuse...

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#7759 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Aug 20, 2020 3:15 am

Not even a counter offer?

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