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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#8401 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Dec 11, 2020 2:13 am

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Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:57 am
As the insulted party I choose bows and arrows at 25 yards. I suggest a location in the coastal mountain range, beautiful views and the bears and coyotes will remove the evidence. The loser must die quietly with a stiff upper lip to avoid distressing the wildlife.
You are insulted... =))

You are a pilot for Christ's sake...

**** you and your darts of Mordor.

I suggest .22 pistols at 10 yards..

I am serious... I am a good shot...
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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#8402 Post by boing » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:46 am

8-|

The pipsqueek 22 at 10 yards may be a mistake because a 22 is probably not going to prevent anyone returning fire which would rather negate your superior first-shot capability.

I suggest at least a 9mm and preferably 40 S&W. I do have a very nice collectable Webley 45 long barreled target revolver which would be in quite the right idiom for the activity but since I only have one it might give me an unfair advantage.

If you insist on a 22 I do have a nice Walther PP in 22. Thinking about this it would be quite appropriate for you to use the Walther and I could use the Webley. Just like old times. :-h

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#8403 Post by boing » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:27 am

How about banjos?

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#8404 Post by Boac » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:27 am

TGG wrote:You are a pilot for Christ's sake...
Don't be misled, TGG - the average pilot, despite sometimes having a swaggering exterior, is very much capable of such feelings as love, affection, intimacy and caring. It's just that these feelings usually don't involve anyone else. :))

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#8405 Post by ian16th » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:13 pm

Any duelling on 'ere, then I strongly suggest this one!

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#8406 Post by G-CPTN » Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:59 pm

That is really impressive! - especially Animal.

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#8407 Post by ian16th » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:15 pm

G-CPTN wrote:
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That is really impressive! - especially Animal.
'Animals' drum soundtrack was played by Ronnie Verrell
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#8408 Post by G-CPTN » Fri Dec 11, 2020 4:18 pm

ian16th wrote:
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'Animals' drum soundtrack was played by Ronnie Verrell
Thank-you for that.

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#8409 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:56 pm

Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner to head south as she explores political future

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/11/politics ... index.html

Headline says it all. L-)
Antarctica wouldn't be far enough south! :ymdevil: =))

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#8410 Post by prospector » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:32 pm

If we are into the families of politicians, how about this one?

https://www.earnthenecklace.com/fact-ch ... d-us-navy/

" He was accepted as part of a program that allows a limited number of applicants with desirable skills to serve in staff positions. Hunter received waivers for his age and a past drug-related incident, and was sworn in as a direct commission officer by his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, at the White House.

Hunter’s naval career was short-lived when he tested positive for cocaine use the following month. He had been open about his years-long struggle with drugs and alcohol addiction before that"

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#8411 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:42 pm

Antarctica wouldn't be far enough south! :ymdevil: =))
On second thought:
They might want to consider a move to Antarctica as there is probably not an extradition treaty that would be enforceable. :ymdevil:

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#8412 Post by prospector » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:47 pm

And a more current problem for the Biden family.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/lahren-tw ... e-election

"The leaders of Twitter and Facebook owe the American people an apology for censoring a pre-election report about Hunter Biden's laptop and foreign business dealings, Fox Nation host Tomi Lahren said Friday."

"[The media] will investigate how many scoops President Trump has of ice cream, but they won’t investigate a very real story," said Lahren on "Outnumbered." "You have Twitter and Facebook censoring conservatives on a daily basis and even banning the New York Post, making sure that the story doesn’t get out there, calling it disinformation, putting disclaimers on it."

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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#8413 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:50 pm

It's Finally Over! :YMAPPLAUSE:

Supreme Court rejects lawsuit from Texas and Trump to overturn the election
From CNN's Ariane de Vogue

The Supreme Court acted with unusual speed to reject a bid from Texas’ attorney general L-) — supported by President Trump L-) — to block the ballots of millions of voters in battleground states that went in favor of President-elect Joe Biden. [-X :-q

The court’s move to dismiss the challenge is the strongest indication yet, that Trump has no chance of overturning election results in court that even the justices who he placed on the Supreme Court have no interest in allowing his desperate legal bids to continue.

The court did not provide a vote count but there were no dissents to the order. Justice Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas would have allowed the case to be filed with the court, but emphasized they would grant no other relief.

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#8414 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:58 pm

A Little Fuller Analysis

Supreme Court rejects Texas' effort to overturn election in fatal blow to Trump legal blitz to stop Biden

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/suprem ... p-n1250883

Supreme Court rejects Texas' effort to overturn election in fatal blow to Trump legal blitz to stop Biden
While the suit attracted President Trump's support and was endorsed by many Republicans in Congress, it suffered from several legal and factual shortcomings.

Dec. 11, 2020, 4:40 PM MST
By Pete Williams

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday said it would not consider a lawsuit filed by Texas that sought to overturn Joe Biden's election victory in four battleground states.

While the suit attracted President Trump's support and was endorsed by many Republicans in Congress, it suffered from several legal and factual shortcomings.

President Donald Trump called the case "the big one," and 126 of the 196 Republicans in the U.S. House urged the court to take it.

Supporters of the Trump campaign saw the Texas suit as their best hope for derailing a victory for Joe Biden before the actual presidential vote is cast by the Electoral College on Monday. But the court ruled that Texas had no legal right to challenge how other states conduct their elections

Never before had any state asked the court to do what Texas proposed, to nullify election results from other states. The lawsuit sought to delay the vote of presidential electors in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, arguing that voting procedures in those states violated their own state laws.Allowing them to cast their electoral votes, Texas said, would "cement a potentially illegitimate election result."

Both conservative and liberal legal experts alike said the lawsuit had a fatal flaw, because Texas had no authority to claim that it was injured or that its own voters were affected in any way by election procedures in another state.

Pennsylvania made that point in urging the court to dismiss the case.

"Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas's view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections," Pennsylvania said.

The other battleground states said allowing the lawsuit to proceed would invite lawsuits over virtually any future federal election.

"Texas proposes an extraordinary intrusion into Wisconsin's and the other defendant states' elections, a task that the Constitution leaves to each state," the state said in its response to the suit. "Wisconsin has conducted its election and its voters have chosen a winning candidate for their state. Texas's bid to nullify that choice is devoid of a legal foundation or a factual basis."

The lawsuit was filed Monday by Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general. Among its claims was that the chances of a Biden victory were "less than one in a quadrillion.” That statement was widely ridiculed, because it was based on a statistician's assumption that voters showed exactly the same party preferences as they did in 2016.


"Wow!" wrote David Post of the libertarian Cato Institute on a conservative legal blog. "If mail-in voters had the same preferences as in-person voters, Trump must have won!! And if my aunt had four wheels, she'd be a motorcar!!"

The four battleground states, joined by friend-of-court briefs from Democratic attorneys general from 20 states and the District of Columbia, said Texas also waited too long to bring its claim to court.

Many of the new voting procedures, such as a move by the Pennsylvania legislature to allow no-excuse voting by mail, were adopted months ago. They were also unsuccessfully challenged in the courts of the four states, another point against the Texas suit.

The Texas lawsuit attracted support from attorneys general of 16 other red states. One notable exception was Ohio's Republican attorney general, Dave Yost. He said that federal courts "lack authority to change the legislatively chosen method for appointing presidential electors."

Mark Gordon, the Republican governor of Wyoming, where Trump won 70 percent of the vote, said he and his attorney general declined to sign on to the red state brief.

"We believe that the case could have unintended consequences relating to a constitutional principle that the state of Wyoming holds dear, that states are sovereign, free to govern themselves," he said.

Trump and Republicans in seven states have so far filed nearly 60 lawsuits to challenge election procedures, but not a single outcome was changed.

John Foriter, an election law expert at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, said once the electors cast their votes Monday, lawsuits face even greater odds against undoing a Biden victory.

"I think the answer is that the court challenges are pretty well done."

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#8415 Post by prospector » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:17 am

That was always going to be the outcome. How could SCOTUS let it be known to the rest of the world that the home of so called democracy could not even run an election that outshines any of the so called third world election efforts.

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#8416 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:53 am

Prospector:
I'm not sure about the view from 7,000+ miles away, but the view from here is that while the election was a bit chaotic due to the pandemic and 50 states trying to adapt to trying circumstances, with different local rules imposed by governors of both flavors, the result was legit.
Numerous recounts were performed with only a very few vote counts being changed either way.
All of the decisions from all state and lower federal courts were all in line with what the Supreme Court in its last two decisions affirmed.
Any Third World comparisons should be of the "Head of State" and not the election process.

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#8417 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:58 am

PHXPhlyer wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:58 pm
A Little Fuller Analysis

Supreme Court rejects Texas' effort to overturn election in fatal blow to Trump legal blitz to stop Biden

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/suprem ... p-n1250883

Supreme Court rejects Texas' effort to overturn election in fatal blow to Trump legal blitz to stop Biden
While the suit attracted President Trump's support and was endorsed by many Republicans in Congress, it suffered from several legal and factual shortcomings.

Dec. 11, 2020, 4:40 PM MST
By Pete Williams

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday said it would not consider a lawsuit filed by Texas that sought to overturn Joe Biden's election victory in four battleground states.

While the suit attracted President Trump's support and was endorsed by many Republicans in Congress, it suffered from several legal and factual shortcomings.

President Donald Trump called the case "the big one," and 126 of the 196 Republicans in the U.S. House urged the court to take it.

Supporters of the Trump campaign saw the Texas suit as their best hope for derailing a victory for Joe Biden before the actual presidential vote is cast by the Electoral College on Monday. But the court ruled that Texas had no legal right to challenge how other states conduct their elections

Never before had any state asked the court to do what Texas proposed, to nullify election results from other states. The lawsuit sought to delay the vote of presidential electors in Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, arguing that voting procedures in those states violated their own state laws.Allowing them to cast their electoral votes, Texas said, would "cement a potentially illegitimate election result."

Both conservative and liberal legal experts alike said the lawsuit had a fatal flaw, because Texas had no authority to claim that it was injured or that its own voters were affected in any way by election procedures in another state.

Pennsylvania made that point in urging the court to dismiss the case.

"Texas has not suffered harm simply because it dislikes the result of the election, and nothing in the text, history, or structure of the Constitution supports Texas's view that it can dictate the manner in which four other states run their elections," Pennsylvania said.

The other battleground states said allowing the lawsuit to proceed would invite lawsuits over virtually any future federal election.

"Texas proposes an extraordinary intrusion into Wisconsin's and the other defendant states' elections, a task that the Constitution leaves to each state," the state said in its response to the suit. "Wisconsin has conducted its election and its voters have chosen a winning candidate for their state. Texas's bid to nullify that choice is devoid of a legal foundation or a factual basis."

The lawsuit was filed Monday by Ken Paxton, the Texas attorney general. Among its claims was that the chances of a Biden victory were "less than one in a quadrillion.” That statement was widely ridiculed, because it was based on a statistician's assumption that voters showed exactly the same party preferences as they did in 2016.


"Wow!" wrote David Post of the libertarian Cato Institute on a conservative legal blog. "If mail-in voters had the same preferences as in-person voters, Trump must have won!! And if my aunt had four wheels, she'd be a motorcar!!"

The four battleground states, joined by friend-of-court briefs from Democratic attorneys general from 20 states and the District of Columbia, said Texas also waited too long to bring its claim to court.

Many of the new voting procedures, such as a move by the Pennsylvania legislature to allow no-excuse voting by mail, were adopted months ago. They were also unsuccessfully challenged in the courts of the four states, another point against the Texas suit.

The Texas lawsuit attracted support from attorneys general of 16 other red states. One notable exception was Ohio's Republican attorney general, Dave Yost. He said that federal courts "lack authority to change the legislatively chosen method for appointing presidential electors."

Mark Gordon, the Republican governor of Wyoming, where Trump won 70 percent of the vote, said he and his attorney general declined to sign on to the red state brief.

"We believe that the case could have unintended consequences relating to a constitutional principle that the state of Wyoming holds dear, that states are sovereign, free to govern themselves," he said.

Trump and Republicans in seven states have so far filed nearly 60 lawsuits to challenge election procedures, but not a single outcome was changed.

John Foriter, an election law expert at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, said once the electors cast their votes Monday, lawsuits face even greater odds against undoing a Biden victory.

"I think the answer is that the court challenges are pretty well done."

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They had no basis or cause in law to try and move the Supreme Court. It is of some comfort to this commentator that a Republican dominated legislature has shown it's impartiality in adjudicating on these important legal and constitutional matters. There still seems to be a modicum of moral mettle left amongst some. Those Republicans who chose to support this legal farrago should hang their heads in shame!
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Re: The US Hamster Wheel

#8418 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:06 am

boing wrote:
Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:27 am
How about banjos?

:)) :) :-h
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#8419 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:14 am

TGG:
You've got it slightly wrong.
The Republican dominated legislature is the US Senate. I think very few of them signed on in support of this last gasp effort. Most were House Republicans who are in the minority in that body, as well as 18 Republican state Attorneys-General who signed on to this lawsuit.
The conservative leaning Supreme Court unanimously rejected both lawsuits.
However, your last statement is correct.

"They had no basis or cause in law to try and move the Supreme Court. It is of some comfort to this commentator that a Republican dominated legislature has shown it's impartiality in adjudicating on these important legal and constitutional matters. There still seems to be a modicum of moral mettle left amongst some. Those Republicans who chose to support this legal farrago should hang their heads in shame!"

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#8420 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:22 am

PHXPhlyer wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:14 am
TGG:
You've got it slightly wrong.
The Republican dominated legislature is the US Senate. I think very few of them signed on in support of this last gasp effort. Most were House Republicans who are in the minority in that body, as well as 18 Republican state Attorneys-General who signed on to this lawsuit.
The conservative leaning Supreme Court unanimously rejected both lawsuits.
However, your last statement is correct.

"They had no basis or cause in law to try and move the Supreme Court. It is of some comfort to this commentator that a Republican dominated legislature has shown it's impartiality in adjudicating on these important legal and constitutional matters. There still seems to be a modicum of moral mettle left amongst some. Those Republicans who chose to support this legal farrago should hang their heads in shame!"

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Appreciate your correction PP. You are quite right.
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