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#5701 Post by prospector » Tue Nov 19, 2019 11:27 pm

Instead, what has emerged is a 2018 letter from Democrats demanding Ukraine aid the Mueller investigation, and an account of Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Connecticut), one of the main supporters of the 2014 Maidan coup, telling Zelensky he should not “respond to requests from American political actors” lest he lose Democrat support in Congress. So much for the talk about anti-corruption efforts, or the US respecting their sovereignty – a joke if ever there was one.

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#5702 Post by BenThere » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:11 am

What I get a kick out of is the footage of Joe Biden on video saying,'Fire this prosecutor in the next six hours or I'm going to cut off US aid to Ukaraine.' The prosecutor, who was investigating Biden's son, who was on the payrolll in the high six figures with no qualifications for his role, was duly fired. President Trump's interactions were much less confrontational. Where is the press on this bare naked scandal? Corrupt? Moi?

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#5703 Post by prospector » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:13 am

Where is the press on this bare naked scandal? Corrupt? Moi?

Exactly, after so long predicting the Hillary win they cannot accept how wrong they were then and how wrong they are now.

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#5704 Post by Boac » Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:11 pm

Have the bone-spurs broken out again?

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#5705 Post by Boac » Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:09 pm

Very illuminating appearances by Hill and Holmes in the hearing. Obviously, just as Humpty 'didn't really know' Sondland (the chap he had numerous conversations with and was frequently photographed with...) Hill and Holmes will also be 'invisible'/'Never Trumpers'/'sad losers'/insert Humpty boilerplate lines as appropriate.

More and more use of Sharpie transcripts I see. =))

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#5706 Post by Boac » Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:52 pm



Great punk. I do think he should give up his day job.

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#5707 Post by Boac » Sat Nov 23, 2019 5:32 pm

It looks as if Humpty is learning you cannot run the military by tweet.

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#5708 Post by prospector » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:58 am

(-| It would appear he knows how to exert his authority as Commander in Chief, whether by tweet or any other way.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-secreta ... tion-trump

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#5709 Post by Boac » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:01 pm

Like much of the Chump's verbal diarrhoea, p, that Fox New item was also false.

C-in-C issues what he thinks is an order by twitter - wrong! Try again.

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#5710 Post by boing » Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:38 pm

286 pages of comments with perhaps 10% of them saying anything remotely useful.

Nine posts on this page so far with five of them being from BOAC taking pointless jabs at Trump such
"Have the bone-spurs broken out again?"
" It looks as if Humpty is learning you cannot run the military by tweet."

This is a country of 50 States all with their own cherished claims to individuality, their own legislative ability, their own economic resources even their own climates. In these States you have cities that are dramatically different politically from the rural areas. In many cases the rural residents hate the city dwellers seeing them as new-comers whose voting numbers over-ride those of the rural areas to the latter's detriment. Most of the States then ultimately dislike Washington DC because they see the Federal Government as interfering in the State's affairs in much the same way as the rural areas see the cities as interfering in their affairs. The US is a great mix of nuts and bolts and parts rigged together to make a motor-car and held together by the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Unfortunately, even these bedrock principles are being eroded by politically activate Supreme Courts and social activism. Yes, the old order may need some changes and this capability IS built into the Constitution if anyone wants to follow the rules but rather like the UK Brexit vote there are far too many interested parties who see a potential failure in following the prescribed route leading to something similar to the Brexit conflict.

Intelligent comment on any aspect of the USA is going to require a lot more thought and knowledge than is being demonstrated in this thread. If all you want to do his take cheap shots, have at it, nobody here is going to take any notice and you can hardly hold the UK up as an example of democracy at the present.


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#5711 Post by Boac » Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:46 pm

Nice try, boing, but if Humpty would stop inviting the 'pointless jabs' by behaving like a faded TV star, the US, which I do not deride, would be a far better place. Why not do something useful? Fire him, as he would say.

'The US Hamster wheel' is about the US on a Hamster wheel. Time to get off it. The thread can then probably die.

BTW - the situation in the UK is on another thread (or two).

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#5712 Post by boing » Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:23 pm

Many people, self included, would prefer that Trump be gone and that he be replaced by a real (however each person defines that word) President. Unfortunately for me "real" does not exist in US politics at present and so we are trapped, rather like the UK, with an abhorred political class and leader. Our choice is exactly the same as UK, simply substitute Boris for Trump and the Hillary Clinton replacement wanna-bees with Corbyn.

Just as in UK you either scrap your vote or swallow hard and at present it is a matter of swallowing hard and voting for Trump since the alternatives are the facsimile copies of Corbyn complete with unlimited immigration positions, distorted social ideas, impractical clean-energy policies, secretly increased taxation and Federal re-assignment of wealth all hidden in nice politically saleable packages carefully designed to obscure from the wary and sell to the idle. Layer this with the fact that the States also benefit from Federal hand-outs and so Federal promises distort State elections.

Trump may have been able to accomplish more and his eccentricities may have been less public had he not been under such continuing attacks from the Democrats and their supporting media, who knows. However, it is an absolutely certain fact that no US President has ever, ever, been so obstructed and attacked as has been Trump, deserving or not. That is just the facts not an excuse.

JFK was a womaniser, Bill Clinton's history is well known, they are both still revered by the Democrats and their adventures are still discretely hidden by the media. Ronald Reagan turned out to be a pretty good President despite all the barbs about being an out-of-work actor. Bush younger was a preppy who never got enough brains or b*** to understand he was being used. I was stupid enough to vote for Obama twice until I finally worked out that he was the most useless, promise breaking, slimy, creature in the White House to date. Do you think I can't see the problems regarding my vote? And you can't say the UK is another subject, no it isn't, the UK and US will inevitably been intertwined into the foreseeable future and the major factor that is going to effect the relationship is who is elected as President and Prime Minister. For example, if you are going to spend vast amounts of money on defense systems (the F35) which has an on/off switch in the USA you had better stay friendly.

Trump is not the best President ever, lots of people I have worked with have not been the best ever, including me, but we got through the problems by working together. What we see in the US now is not an attempt to succeed by teamwork but an attempt to cut off the centre forward at the knees. Perhaps with less obstruction and more support Trump may actually be a better President.


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#5713 Post by John Hill » Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:51 pm

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For example, if you are going to spend vast amounts of money on defense systems (the F35) which has an on/off switch in the USA you had better stay friendly.
Is that called a quid pro quo?
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#5714 Post by boing » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:09 pm

Actually John I call it total insanity. Here we are in the West still inventing ever-increasingly better ways to fight WW2 while a bit of thought projection would show that the man who wins the battles is the one who controls the Aether (Sic) and you should know that as well as anybody.

"Reductio ad absurdum" but is it not better to own your own bow and arrows which you carry over your shoulder than rent a missile system that only works after you have 'phoned its real owner for approval? Which bothers a man more, a thousand angry wild wasps or a big fierce dog chained in a kennel 5 miles away? What do you think is going to happen with the F35 agreement if both Trump and Corbyn get elected?



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#5715 Post by John Hill » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:48 pm

Indeed, control of the æther could well be a deciding factor but those who are threatened by cavalry could still be well advised to cut some long sticks.

Castles were quite comfortable until someone imported gunpowder technology from China, battle ships got bigger, bigger guns and thicker armour, all very well until guys in machines made of sticks and canvas found they were able to get in close and drops bombs right on the decks. Guys pushing bicycles through the jungle won the war in Vietnam and guys in Toyota pickups are still not defeated in Afghanistan. So there is always the possiblity that someone may as a defensive measure learn how to seriously disrupt the æther and render all sorts of high tech weapons hors de combat including F35s(?).

If the F35s are to be paid for by the UK and can only be used with the Emperor's "concession" then they are not UK weapons at all but a generous donation to the US IMC.

Some years ago the US practically demanded that NZ would host US nuclear weapons with no apparent advantage to us except of course all our cities would be added to USSR target lists. The US did not like us saying no!
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#5716 Post by BenThere » Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:51 am

Did the US ask New Zealand to host nuclear weapons or simply seek to port nuclear ships and their weaponry temporarily at New Zealand docks, which was rejected by New Zealand's elected government at the time? And did not the US accept New Zealand's decision with calm acquiescence?

The answer doesn't matter now. As far as I'm concerned New Zealand is on its own and both of us are quite pleased with that status. While we generally like Kiwis we understand the anti-American and pacifist impulses that seem to hold sway there. I support wholly the Freedom of New Zealand to go its own way, even if America's contribution to that condition is forgotten.

Boing, I'm impressed by your thoughtful posts. I think, though, that there is no on/off switch with the UK and F-35 other than the ability to withhold parts and support should events go topsy-turvy, like with the Iranian F-14s.

Of course any nation is free to build their own weapon systems. Some choose American, some choose Russian, not many can build their own. All of them have to place their bets with due diligence to optimize their survival quotients.

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#5717 Post by John Hill » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:20 am

BenThere wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 2:51 am
Did the US ask New Zealand to host nuclear weapons or simply seek to port nuclear ships and their weaponry temporarily at New Zealand docks, which was rejected by New Zealand's elected government at the time?
Overnight or longer, it is all 'hosting'.
And did not the US accept New Zealand's decision with calm acquiescence?
It took the US Navy about 30 years to get over their little tantrums.
Of course any nation is free to build their own weapon systems.
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#5718 Post by BenThere » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:24 am

Yes it is true, John Hill. Aren't NK and Iran examples? They are free to do what they feel are in their best interests. But they face sanctions and consequences if they choose to go nuclear, those consequences imposed mostly by the US, which perceives the threat to world peace, and wishes to suppress the capabilities of rogue regimes - call us crazy, but those regimes are free to do what they do.

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#5719 Post by John Hill » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:42 am

BenThere wrote:
Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:24 am
Yes it is true, John Hill. Aren't NK and Iran examples? They are free to do what they feel are in their best interests. But they face sanctions and consequences if they choose to go nuclear, those consequences imposed mostly by the US, which perceives the threat to world peace, and wishes to suppress the capabilities of rogue regimes - call us crazy, but those regimes are free to do what they do.
Freedom to do something means that they could do it without cost.
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#5720 Post by BenThere » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:46 am

Not true.

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