What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#501 Post by Slasher » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:10 am

I think you've clearly been shot down in flames Mr Hill. Fox3 used his .50 and 20mm very accurately from what I've read. Why do you insist staying on with burning engines, useless flight controls, an empty bomb bay and firing what's left of your ammo wildly into the blue? That has always been your recurring problem.

Either pancake (if you can) or bale out. No one's gonna think the less of you for it. To keep doing what you do does make everyone believe the opposite.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#502 Post by John Hill » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:31 am

Slasher, circumcision is mutilation and the claims of health benefits are very dubious. The fact is the rate of infant male mutilation is higher in the US than any other Western country and the reasons are purely culture.

Arguments of health benefits aside there is very little published information on the life long detrimental effects on the mental, emotional and sexual health of the victims. Those adults who are themselves victims probably do not know how their life has been damaged by the mutilation and with absolutely no prospect of a reversal they are never going to accent that they are victims.

Actually there is a tiny prospect for a slight reversal later in life but as that involves treatment for cancer you probably would not willingly choose to take advantage of it.
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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#503 Post by Capetonian » Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:15 am

I await a considered response that addresses the points I and the AAP have made.
If that's directed at JH, you'll be waiting an infinite length of time.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#504 Post by John Hill » Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:29 am

Capetonian wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 5:15 am
I await a considered response that addresses the points I and the AAP have made.
If that's directed at JH, you'll be waiting an infinite length of time.
That is an easy demand for him to make but total nonsense when he has not made any points.
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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#505 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:03 am

John, the points I made were to illustrate that the link you posted was a dishonest rant. What you, that author, and every socialist does are the following.

1. You attempt to use reasoning and evidence as part of your argument, but immediately ditch both as soon as it is shown you will lose the argument that way.
2. You ignore facts that don't fit your agenda, or question them with unsubstantiated rhetoric
3. You never apologise, or even acknowledge the fact, when caught in either errors or falsehoods
4. You never attempt the top three levels of the hierarchy of disagreement. I am at least pleased that you avoid the bottom level for members of this forum, and I will do likewise, but you are pretty liberal with it for those who aren't.
5. You change the subject rather than admit defeat.

I'd expect your kind of argument from a bad-tempered 13 year old, and I've taught logic, reasoning and argument to a lot of teenagers for a long time.

And the killer phrase is this
Those adults who are themselves victims probably do not know how their life has been damaged by the mutilation and with absolutely no prospect of a reversal they are never going to accent that they are victims.
Whatever the truth of it, the attitude is typically socialist. It gives carte blanche to them to decide who is a victim and who isn't (even if the supposed victims deny it themselves), and therefore carte blanche to punish whoever they might determine is guilty. It is the ultimate in capricious tyranny. It has been done by every socialist leader in history. We see it today in the so-called 'hate crimes', the 'microaggressions' and 'cultural appropriation'.
And it has an evil little step-child, which is called Policy.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#506 Post by John Hill » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:30 pm

The mutilation of children for religious or cultural reasons is utterly barbaric and should be universally condemned but surprisingly is not even on this board.

BTW, I am under no obligation to address your 'points'.
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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#507 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:39 pm

..which proves my points.

..and the Straw Man is the favorite of the socialist, since they can't win a proper argument.
You are logically under no obligation to respond, nor did I attempt to place you under one.

I'll just put you back on my ignore list (you are my ignore list ;))) ), but I will show up occasionally to tear your statements to logical shreds because I get the feeling that socialists think that if nobody is bothering to complain, we all agree with you, and we most certainly do not.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#508 Post by John Hill » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:06 am

Oh well, that's OK then and I understand that you have no qualms about acceptance of male genital mutilation.
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#509 Post by Slasher » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:39 am

Why all the concern? I was cut soonafter I was born for health reasons and I have never suffered any ill effects. My little bloke was sliced for the same reason and his todger is just fine.

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#510 Post by John Hill » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:50 am

If you had had half your taste buds cut out at birth you might have thought there were no ill effects there either.
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#511 Post by Capetonian » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:11 am

JH : That's the first comment of yours that I have ever read that makes sense.
It doesn't validate your argument, but as a standalone comment, it makes sense.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#512 Post by Stoneboat » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:13 pm

Smegma -
Smegma (Greek smēgma) is a combination of shed skin cells, skin oils, and moisture. It occurs in both male and female mammalian genitalia. In female bodies, it collects around the clitoris and in the folds of the labia minora; in males, smegma collects under the foreskin.
In females it is more commonly known a Vulveeta.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#513 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:20 pm

Oh well, that's OK then and I understand that you have no qualms about acceptance of male genital mutilation.
Go back and read my original comment. You understand wrong. Are you incapable of following an argument as well as incapable of making one?
And, as ever with socialists, if you can't win an argument you attempt to denigrate the opponent. Level 6 out of 7 on the hierarchy.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#514 Post by Capetonian » Sat Jul 21, 2018 1:34 pm

BTW, I am under no obligation to address your 'points'.
Then what is the point of even pretending to enter into a discussion? Along with playing the 'race card', it's the last refuge of the loser.

Interviewer : "Mr Jones, can you tell me about the experience and qualifications which would make you suitable for this position."
Interviewee : "I am under no obligation to answer that question."
Interviewer : "What strengths and skills do you have that would benefit us if we offered you the position?"
Interviewee : "I am under no obligation to answer that question."
Interviewer : "Could you tell us about your relations with your colleagues and hierarchy in your last position."
Interviewee : "I am a vegetarian."
Interviewer : "Under the circumstances, I am unable to offer you the job and see no point in further discussion."
Interviewee : "I see, so you're discriminating against me because I am John Hill/a socialist/a Kiwi/vegetarian ...."

See how pathetic that is. Your line of 'discussion' is pretty much the same. I pity anyone who had the misfortune to have worked with you. Do you have French ancestry?

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#515 Post by CremeEgg » Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:14 pm

Do you have French ancestry?
Brilliant, simply brilliant.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#516 Post by BenThere » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:04 pm

To equate male circumcision with female genital mutilation is naive.

Male circumcision dates to biblical times and its practice is based on both religious ritual and the theory that it aids in the prevention of disease and infection. The male penis foreskin is superfluous to sexual function.

On the other hand, female genital mutilation is the removal of the clitoris, a woman's primary sexual organ. And the purpose of the procedure is to deaden sexual response in the name of promoting virtue.

By the way, the US Constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. It's a tough sell to apply that prohibition to male circumcision. FGM, not so much.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#517 Post by Magnus » Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:16 pm

Ben, the disease theory is generally weak for most males (see below) given adequate hygiene. The foreskin also assists with the 'glide' during intercourse. If it's an adult choice, I have no problem with it, or in a child where there are health problems which can be alleviated. Not sure about enforcing it on a healthy infant.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#518 Post by BenThere » Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:06 pm

I can accept your argument as to the cost/benefits of male circumcision. It's an arguable debate.

My point was intended to be that FGM, clitorectemy, is abhorrent, much more so than circumcision. It seemed to me that [bJohn Hill[/b] was saying one was as bad as the other, to which I objected.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#519 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:06 pm

Personally, I'm glad to have my banana as issued. I can see no benefits at all in having ones foreskin removed and it's always struck me as perverse.

FGM on the other hand, is barbaric.

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Re: What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

#520 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:09 pm

I have to laugh at Bens use of the phrase 'male penis'. Is there any other type? Honestly.

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