What it will take for Europeans to say enough is enough?

[AtomKraft]

So who picked the cotton then? The Indians?

[Slasher]

Quintana Roo

Seems to me Ben you got your patch of paradise same as I and for basically the same reasons. Except for beaches N Thailand is not all that different. And yes as you say good people cost money. We manage to keep the best gardener and (part time) maid et al by paying them 1.5 the going rate, which still works out quite cheap while getting quality work. Everybody's happy.

[ian16th]

I'm suprised that this hasn't been commented on.

Doomed the country is.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

UK knife crime up 16%, murders up 12%...but of course the real threat is internet 'hate crime' when someone gets a pronoun wrong, because the Met have over 900 "specialist" officers focused on that.
https://order-order.com/2018/07/19/knif ... rder-rate/

[Capetonian]

Some immigrants and their fecundity improve and enrich the gene pool. In the UK the classic example of that is the Poles.

The Muslims are another story - one often hears the quote : "Through the bellies of our women we shall conquer the world." There may be a lot of truth in that.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Whether it will succeed or not is a different question, but it's certainly the plan, and has been explicitly stated as such by several muslim Premiers, including Erdogan recently.

[Capetonian]

Of course suggesting that all Muslim would-be immigrants who have more than one child should be sterilised or denied entry would be racist. So I won't.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

If muslims choose to have more children, that in itself is not a issue which anyone can complain about without favouring one religion over another
(There really does need to be a convenient word for this to stop the rampant misuse of the term racist),
unless non-muslims are effectively being prevented from having that choice. In this case it is the muslims, and their supporters, who are treating muslims preferentially.
My personal view is that the need for refugees to receive extra help, and the choice to aid immigrants preferentially to citizens, are being comprehensively and deliberately misused by socialists in order to destroy all concept of nationhood, specifically by recognising people who are not refugees as such, and by a deliberate (and almost total in the several western countries) failure to uphold immigration law, and by hidden policies which deliberately extend aid to immigrants far beyond that publicly stated.
Coupled with the taxation of the indigenous population which reduces their choices about number and timing of children (unless they are prepared to become welfare scroungers), this amounts to the favouring of the majority religion of immigrants, which is islam.
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights requires every nation to allow the same freedoms to all religions, and not one of the 27 nations which has islam as the state religion does so. Indeed, holding a hindu service in Iran, for example, is punishable by death.
The idea that any democracy which has islam as the main religion will respect human rights is demonstrably and universally false. Nor will it long remain a democracy.
There were over 5,000 cases of FGM in the UK in 2016, which led to not a single prosecution, never mind a conviction. The refusal of hospitals to tell parents the gender of the foetus from ultrasound scans is solely because of the deliberate abortions which result in immigrant communities, and a careful study of where such policies were first introduced will show that.
In short, the socialists are in the long run committing suicide.

[Capetonian]

Nothing to do with large scale illegal immigration to the UK then ...........

Police figures showed that the number of knife crime offences has risen by 16 per cent to 40,147, while the number of murders has risen by 12 per cent to 701 - the highest for a decade.

Homicides have increased by 38 per cent since a low was recorded by police in 2014. They now stand at their highest level since 2008, with London and other cities bearing the brunt of the violent crime wave.

There was also a huge rise in the number of robberies, which went up by 30 per cent to 77,103.

The Office for National Statistics said that the figures suggest there has been "a real change in these crimes", rather than just improvements in the way the figures are recorded.

Police-recorded robbery offences have been increasing since 2015, when a low of 50,153 was seen. Since then, robberies have soared by 53.7 per cent, to 77,103 offences - the highest level since 2009.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

large scale illegal immigration to the UK

Government Rule 6:
If you don't measure it, it isn't happening

;)

[BenThere]

So why do the Islamic states get a free pass on human rights, religious freedom, and immigration controls from Western countries? Why is there little demand for the same tolerance we have imposed on ourselves? And why do we keep extending it? I agree, Fox, it's our own cultural suicide, and its proponents are deeply embedded.

[John Hill]

There were over 5,000 cases of FGM in the UK in 2016, which led to not a single prosecution, never mind a conviction.

How many cases of MGM do you think there were in the same period?

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) found that the health benefits of newborn male circumcision outweigh the risks, but the benefits are not great enough to recommend universal newborn circumcision.

https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions ... umcision#1

..and that's always been my understanding, unless you know different?

Personally I'm against it, but not sufficiently to advocate making it illegal.

There are no health benefits for FGM, nor to my knowledge is anyone pretending there is.

[John Hill]

............ unless you know different?

https://thedailybanter.com/issues/2013/ ... -is-wrong/

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Well, there's a lot of vitriol and random facts in that article, but I'd rather see the official medical study challenged on its merits (or lack of).

In fact, let's take a look at one of the paragraphs

And there are no significant health benefits. No legitimate health organization in the world actually goes as far as recommending the surgery. Not even the spineless American Association of Pediatrics, who last year released a statement which read “…if someone wants this, they should have it… (but) the benefits are not so strong everyone needs have it” completely in denial of the fact the overwhelming majority of circumcisions in the US are performed on babies, who cannot give any informed consent that they “want this”.

Compare
"And there are no significant health benefits."
with
"(but) the benefits"
Significant is being used in a purely subjective sense by the author.

One notes that the author claims "No legitimate health organization in the world actually goes as far as recommending the surgery."
One notes that the author does not reference any "legitimate health organization" that recommends NOT having the surgery on medical grounds. This would be a much stronger argument if it existed, and one therefore concludes that either none does, or the author can't be bothered to research properly.

And the "quote"
“…if someone wants this, they should have it… (but) the benefits are not so strong everyone needs have it”
Well the statement is here
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/c ... 5.full.pdf
The closest phrase is
"the benefits of circumcision are sufficient to justify access to this procedure for families choosing it"
I've read the abstract, the statement and the full technical report. The author's supposed quote appears nowhere.
So, the quote is a lie, unless the author is claiming the AAP have changed their statements without telling anyone. Which in itself would be a point well worth mentioning, but the author doesn't.
And therefore the phrase about the baby's consent is irrelevant.

In short, what you have linked to John is a dishonest rant.

I await a considered response that addresses the points I and the AAP have made.

[John Hill]

The American Academy of Pediatrics, follow the money, doh!

I understand the rate of circumcision in the US is highest in the Mid West, are they not the same people who support Trump?

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

I await a considered response that addresses the points I and the AAP have made.

[John Hill]

I await a considered response that addresses the points I and the AAP have made.

American Academy of Pediatrics has a vested interest in the continuation of this barbaric practice.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

..and the CDC does too?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478224/

..and the WHO?
http://www.who.int/hiv/pub/malecircumci ... UNAIDS.pdf

[Stoneboat]

... the rate of circumcision in the US is highest in the Mid West, are they not the same people who support Trump?

So despite what the Democrats would have one believe, Trump supporters are not complete pricks.

Meanwhile back in Europe. Grenoble, to be more precise.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=8WoT_1531934480