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Re: Venezuela

#41 Post by Capetonian » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:07 pm

That socialist idiot Maduro has turned down an offer of humanitarian aid from the USA because 'Venezuela will never be a nation of beggars'.

Ironically, that's precisely what he's turned it into!

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Re: Venezuela

#42 Post by OFSO » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:51 pm

Not according to Red Ken. Saw a cringingly embarrassing interview with him today. No idea when or what as it was so testicle-shrivellingly awful to watch that I turned it off before my balls shrunk to the size (if not hue) of peas and disappeared down my trousers and rolled away across the floor. However: Livingstone thinks all Maduro needs is a few more years to straighten things out. Of course with El Trumpo saying US "military action is one option...." who knows..

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Re: Venezuela

#43 Post by OFSO » Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:11 pm

I see that the EU has accepted the usurper as the new leader of Venezuela, instead of Maduro. Hold on, in a democracy aren't you supposed to have an election to elect a new leader ?

Oh wait. I forgot how the EU does things...

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Re: Venezuela

#44 Post by llondel » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:50 pm

If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal.

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Re: Venezuela

#45 Post by Slasher » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:19 am

Dunno if they have 'em there, but I see no SJW or LBTG or GW demos in beautiful downtown Caracas. And apart from Maduro's rants no marches bashing America either.

I guess when survival is everything all that ***** goes straight out the window. I understand inflation is currently 1,478,000%.

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Re: Venezuela

#46 Post by Capetonian » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:58 am

Socialism in action. Yet some still won't see the inherent evil and danger in this vile ideology.
The tragedy of Venezuela shows us how dangerous Jeremy Corbyn and his acolytes really are

In 2014, John McDonnell, now Labour’s shadow chancellor, said that the socialist regime in Venezuela showed “the contrast between capitalism in crisis and socialism in action”.

In a way he never intended, he has turned out to be right. For the people of that country are now enduring a situation worse than any crisis of capitalism, anywhere in the world, at any time in the last 100 years. Their economy has shrunk by at least half – far worse than the Great Depression or the recent economic woes of Greece.

Three million people have fled the country. Inflation, having reached 1.7 million per cent, has made money worthless. Basic commodities are scarce and hardship widespread. More than half the population are now living in extreme poverty.

Yes, this is socialism in action. This is what happens when you take a promising nation, rich in natural resources and human talent, and subject it to nationalisation, excessive spending, state control of prices and the discouraging of enterprise and foreign investment. These were the policies of the egotistical Hugo Chavez, and his utterly corrupt and tyrannical successor, Nicolas Maduro.

This catastrophic approach was praised endlessly by the current leadership of the Labour Party. Diane Abbott said “it shows another way is possible”.

As for Jeremy Corbyn, he appeared on every possible platform to praise Chavez and support Maduro. On the death of Chavez in 2013, he went out of his way to laud his “inspiring” leadership and to say: “Thanks Hugo Chavez for showing that the poor matter and wealth can be shared”.

In practice, Chavez was one of the world’s most outstanding hypocrites, amassing a fortune estimated at a billion dollars while campaigning as a friend of the poor. Now that most people in Venezuela are desperate for change, there are three charges that can be levelled against Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and their acolytes.

The first is that their economic beliefs are verging on madness – if they don’t understand that trying to control the prices of everything in the shops soon leads to severe shortages of everything from food to toilet paper, then their understanding of economics is near zero. A set of policies they were happy to support has led to countless starving people searching for food among the rubbish piled high in the streets. Yet these are the people who would be running our economy if Labour wins the next election.

The second is just as serious. This is that they have been happy to turn a blind eye to the escalating abuse of human rights and disregard of democracy that has kept the Maduro government in power. Faced with mounting opposition and discontent, the regime has rigged elections, locked up opponents, practised torture and violence, and presided over rampant corruption as it tries to bribe the armed forces to keep it in power.

The shadow attorney general, Shami Chakrabati, in a shameful attempt to defend Corbyn at the weekend, said he was “a lifelong human rights defender”. Not any more he isn’t. Amnesty International recently reported that the Maduro regime is responsible for the worst human rights abuses in the country’s history, including thousands of extrajudicial executions. Campaigners for human rights are routinely jailed for months in appalling conditions. Yet the self-styled defender of human rights on the Opposition front bench shows not the slightest sign of caring that these are the crimes of a regime he continued to praise.

The third charge against Labour’s leaders is that they now have the nerve to criticise anyone who would do something to help the millions of Venezuelans caught up in this disaster. Corbyn said on Friday that he opposes “outside interference in Venezuela” and that Jeremy Hunt was wrong to call for more sanctions on the regime. He clearly does not agree with those governments now recognising Juan Guaido as the new and legitimate leader of the country. This is a hugely revealing moment, which tells us a great deal about the limits of any moral compass in Corbyn’s mind.

The nations now joining the US in recognising the united and moderate opposition as the true government of Venezuela include such countries as Sweden and Spain, which have centre-Left governments, as well as Britain and France. The leader of the British Labour Party is aligned with Moscow and the Italian Five Star populists, while every mainstream party in the rest of Europe and the Americas unites behind an effort to free Venezuelans from their misery.

It should be enough to know that Corbyn, were he to be prime minister, would be aligned with Putin rather than Merkel and Macron. But even more telling is the justification he uses for his position – hostility to “outside interference”. This is the language of authoritarian rulers the world over, the constant refrain of those who fear a compassionate and responsible world coming to the aid of people they have impoverished and oppressed.

“The future of Venezuela is a matter for Venezuelans”, Corbyn went on. This is the hand-wringing language of moral bankruptcy. No doubt he thinks what happens in North Korea is a matter for North Koreans, overlooking the fact they have no way of expressing their views. Extend his argument back a few decades and he would be informing us that dealing with Nazis was a matter for Germans alone.

It is always a crisis that shows you who leaders really are. This is one of them. There are voters who might still think that Corbyn is just a misguided old chap with an allotment and Diane Abbott a harmless woman who gets her figures mixed up. No, they are guilty on three counts: of supporting economic insanity, of indifference to intense human suffering, and of a refusal to accept any measures to alleviate it, all because of adherence to an ideology and hatred for any leadership by the western world.

It is to be hoped that, as the wages of the army run out, the tormented people of Venezuela will get their chance to be free, and that democratic countries will have helped them to get it. But in the meantime their agonies are revealing the true nature of Britain’s opposition leadership, with clear conclusions for domestic politics. For those Labour MPs said to be forming a new party – what are you waiting for? And for Tories belatedly trying to unite – you will never be forgiven if you fail and let Corbyn come to power.
The Rich Kids of Venezuela - including Socialist revolution leader Hugo Chavez’s daughter - flaunt their wealth with fist-fulls of cash and lavish holidays while the nation starves

Rich kids of Venezuela's socialist elite flash their money and pose with pop-stars
Hugo Chavez's daughter is rumoured to have a personal fortune of $4billion
Maria Gabriela, 38, earned her fortune while acting as first lady to her father
Gabriela – and other children of Venezuela’s socialist elite - appear to have forgotten Hugo Chavez’s galvanizing motto ‘to be rich is bad’

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Re: Venezuela

#47 Post by Slasher » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:58 am

5/02/2019

To the Unhonourable Jeremy Corbyn.

Since you like the policies of the Maduro socialist government, why are you still bashing your head in England?

Please leave the United Kingdom aAnd go there. Please. Take that butt-ugly black fat...thing with you (last report it was a female). I am sure you will bask in the glory of the Workers Paradise and regale to the genius of Marx and Chavez. Both countrys' (England and Venezuela) collective IQs at the political level will rise as a result. With such a high rate of inflation the bond rate of what's left of the Bolivar would give incredible returns. I'm not sure what fiat currency is in use there though at present.

Don't forget you and the...thing...to leave both your passports and citizenship at the LHR Immig counter when you depart, to ensure you both don't come back.

I am not a Pom but I have good friends there who are and elsewhere in the U.K. I hope you will pay them the courtesy of leaving for good.

Yours sincerely

Rod K Sladher

PS: there is a 29yo female child in NYC who spouts the same political attitude as you. It might be a good suggestion you pick her up on the way. She would make a good secretary (watch her math) and do nice dances on rooftops for the peons.

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Re: Venezuela

#48 Post by FD2 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:23 am

Maybe his socialist comrades will eventually rebel and give Maduro the treatment Mussolini received from his fascist subjects. Like sh*t on a blanket, these people are so difficult to remove.

I see the man is toadying up to the army like his life depended on it ;;) but I expect there will be an aircraft waiting to whisk him off to exile in a sh*thole somewhere in the world, where his personal pension plan will give him a slightly better standard of living than the locals. He could publish his memoirs and claim it was all someone else's fault that his people starved. He did his best and suffered the slings and arrows with them, after all.



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Re: Venezuela

#49 Post by Krystal n Chips » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:34 am

FD2 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:23 am
Maybe his socialist comrades will eventually rebel and give Maduro the treatment Mussolini received from his fascist subjects. Like sh*t on a blanket, these people are so difficult to remove.

I see the man is toadying up to the army like his life depended on it ;;) but I expect there will be an aircraft waiting to whisk him off to exile in a sh*thole somewhere in the world, where his personal pension plan will give him a slightly better standard of living than the locals. He could publish his memoirs and claim it was all someone else's fault that his people starved. He did his best and suffered the slings and arrows with them, after all.




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It's very thoughtful of you to share such intimate personal memories...I've never suffered from incontinence you understand or had to recourse to such activity.

Whilst the UK doesn't quite qualify for the term you use. as yet ( Treeza and co. are working hard to ensure it does achieve this standard) would now be a good time to mention Chile, a dictator and the welcoming embrace of the unlamented deceased ?

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Re: Venezuela

#50 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:39 am

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When i was at sea, about 1960, i went to Pakistan and was told about an American ship discharging bagged grain as Aid to Pakistan from the USA. The grain was being discharged to quay, the bags were stencilled and then loaded on to trucks to go for distribution. After a few days a chap came down from the American consul and suddenly all hell broke loose. Apparently the people stencilling the bags had no right to be there and were stencilling(in the local lingo) Aid from the Soviet Union on each bag...
In my father's case the grain was bulk loaded in the USA, a load of bags and shovels thrown in and the grain bagged in Kharachi.

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Re: Venezuela

#51 Post by OFSO » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:44 am

France 24 TV reported this morning that Maduro has parcelled up the pettycash and sent it to a neighbouring S American country prepared to give him sanctuary.

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Re: Venezuela

#52 Post by BenThere » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:03 pm

I'm not sure what fiat currency is in use there though at present.
It's the US dollar that buys anything in Venezuela these days. Bolivars are a joke; a cruel joke.
would now be a good time to mention Chile, a dictator and the welcoming embrace of the unlamented deceased ?
Pinochet saved Chile from Venezuela's fate. Of course you consider that a bad thing, as did the proud Euros of the day. But now Chile is a thriving democracy, which would not have been possible had Allende's Socialists seized control.

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Re: Venezuela

#53 Post by FD2 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:32 pm

I thoroughly dislike the Channel 4 news people for their persistently biased and hectoring style against anyone suspected of right of centre politics, so I was amazed to see that even Jon Snow was raised to anger by the stupidity of one
particular politician:






I should grudgingly say credit where credit is due, but I haven't watched the whole interview. To the committed socialist Venezuela is a typical case of the peoples' will be thwarted by thuggish capitalists, like other countries such as Chile.

Another former politician, who was a Labour MP and the London Mayor, Ken Leninspart, sorry Livingstone, gave just such an opinion in an interview. "All they need is another year or two to get their country sorted" - just unbelievable isn't it? Not only blinkered, but patently blind to the suffering. The ultimate goal justifies this sort of action, as was espoused by the founders of the USSR and Pol Pot etc etc.

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Re: Venezuela

#54 Post by Stoneboat » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:12 am

OFSO wrote:
Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:51 pm
Not according to Red Ken. Saw a cringingly embarrassing interview with him today. No idea when or what as it was so testicle-shrivellingly awful to watch that I turned it off before my balls shrunk to the size (if not hue) of peas and disappeared down my trousers and rolled away across the floor. However: Livingstone thinks all Maduro needs is a few more years to straighten things out. Of course with El Trumpo saying US "military action is one option...." who knows..
Red Ken isn't alone in thinking the election was honest.
Canadian Unions help fund delegation that gave glowing review of Venezuelan election.
It's the US dollar that buys anything in Venezuela these days. Bolivars are a joke; a cruel joke.
Indeed.

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Re: Venezuela

#55 Post by Bob » Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:23 pm

Thank god the USA is around to spread it's pure benevolence

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Re: Venezuela

#56 Post by FD2 » Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:04 am

Would Venezuelans starving be a better solution? I see that the borders are blocked to prevent aid getting in so starvation may well be on the way . Did ‘ordinary’ Venezuelans think this would be the outcome when they went along with the usual jam tomorrow socialist promises?

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Re: Venezuela

#57 Post by BenThere » Sat Feb 16, 2019 4:26 pm

Thanks for that link, Bob. I'm surprised, and grateful, that you would post a fairly comprehensive summary of the good the US has done in the world. Though the tone is obviously opposed to US geopolitical interventions over the years, any sentient reader, able to reflect on the ultimate consequences and assess counterpoints, will be better informed by reading your link.

A key thing to keep in mind as you read this chronology is 'What would have happened had the US taken no action?'

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Re: Venezuela

#58 Post by Slasher » Sun Feb 17, 2019 12:41 am

Says on the pic that US was involved in Oz election interference. Can't find the direct ref in the article. Wasn't to do with Pig Iron Bob Menzies was it?

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Re: Venezuela

#59 Post by Stoneboat » Sun Feb 17, 2019 1:28 am

A key thing to keep in mind as you read this chronology is 'What would have happened had the US taken no action?'
What's the title of this thread again? :D

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Re: Venezuela

#60 Post by BenThere » Sun Feb 17, 2019 3:48 pm

Oh yeah. Venezuela, where the US has not interfered whatsoever since the advent of Chavez, other than to reject the coup that temporarily overthrew him, and more recently impose what sanctions it can on the regime.

I suppose there are more than a few Venezuelans who wish in retrospect that another course had been taken by the US, but that would have been met with fierce anger and resistance internationally and domestically, in both Venezuela and the US, as it would have been GW Bush who would have supported the coup. GWB opted out of involvement. Probably a wise decision since Venezuelans freely chose their fate by their election choices, back when they had a semblance of free elections. They got the government they collectively deserved - and the consequences for falling for the Socialist meme.

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