Chaos in Scotland

[G-CPTN]

If you think that the Northern Ireland border is problematical, wait until Scotland gets independence.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

The English are gradually getting fed up with not getting their fair share of the Union, I will agree. Quite what the Conservative and Unionist party does about that, I don't know.

[om15]

If you think that the Northern Ireland border is problematical, wait until Scotland gets independence.

Shouldn't be much of a problem, just need to renovate Hadrians Wall.
Sturgeon is on max stir today regarding Brexit, loving the problems, she has convinced the English that Scottish Independence is highly desirable, unfortunately she still has to do similar with the Scots.

[Jetex Jim]

The English are gradually getting fed up with not getting their fair share of the Union, I will agree. Quite what the Conservative and Unionist party does about that, I don't know.

Maybe, but didn't the English rather 'impose' the Union on the other two countries?

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Am I my father's keeper?
Did not the Scottish nobles 'impose' on their people?
Were any of the home nations' rulers ever elected?
I don't do the historical guilt thing. The Queen's not short of a bob or two. If the Jocks want some dosh, they can ask her, since her Great-great-whatsit was responsible.

[CharlieOneSix]

......Sturgeon is on max stir today regarding Brexit, loving the problems, she has convinced the English that Scottish Independence is highly desirable, unfortunately she still has to do similar with the Scots.

She hasn't convinced the English, like me, who live in Scotland. I don't know the figures for those of voting age but overall we make up approximately 7.4% of the population...approx 400,000 out of 5.4m.

[llondel]

If Scotland and NI parted company then the current constituency map in England means that they, and the Welsh, would be stuck with a Tory government. I can see why this might make Tory voters in England less upset with such an occurrence because they haven't thought it all the way through.

[Jetex Jim]

If Scotland and NI parted company then the current constituency map in England means that they, and the Welsh, would be stuck with a Tory government. I can see why this might make Tory voters in England less upset with such an occurrence because they haven't thought it all the way through.

Indeed.

Losing NI and Scotland from the Union is arithmetically in the interests of the Conservative party.
The Tories have 13 of Scotland's 59 seats and none in NI, the DUP have 10 out of 18.

Even losing Wales would be a net gain, Welsh Conservative party has just 11 seats out of 40.

Finally, it's all starting to make sense. If the Conservatives succeed in their FUK project they can rule for a thousand years.

[Jetex Jim]

Am I my father's keeper?
Did not the Scottish nobles 'impose' on their people?
Were any of the home nations' rulers ever elected?
I don't do the historical guilt thing. The Queen's not short of a bob or two. If the Jocks want some dosh, they can ask her, since her Great-great-whatsit was responsible.

Damn, there goes that argument that 'Europe' somehow owes Britain, (England) a great deal on Brexit because of 'two world wars' etc.

[Undried Plum]

Were any of the home nations' rulers ever elected?

Not quite 'home' for those of us who live to the South of the Northern Isles, but the Norwegian King was elected. They couldn't find a suitable one in Norway, so they invited a Dane to become their King. They picked a good 'un. None of that German trash which was inflicted upon Britain.

[Undried Plum]

The Queen's not short of a bob or two. If the Jocks want some dosh, they can ask her, since her Great-great-whatsit was responsible.

Old Bess regicided her best successor, so Mary Stuart's infant son became the King of England by deafault That led to the Union of the Crowns.

The union of the parliaments followed a century later, but for reasons which were feck all to do with the monarch. The disastrous Darien Scheme reduced the moneyed classes of Scotland to penury, forcing them to surrender the Scots Parliament to the English.

The reward for surrendering Scottish parliamentary independence to the foreign power was £400k bribe called The Equivalent. A bank was set up specially to disburse and manage the money. It's called the Royal Bank of Scotland.

The really big irony to that is that the guy who set up the Darien Scheme was a Scot called William Paterson. He had invented the concept of a National Debt and set up The Bank of England to create and administer that debt.

It's so ironic that when RBS went tits up it was a Scottish Prime Minister and a Scottish Chancellor of the Exchequer who used English billions to bail out that miserably failed institution.

[Undried Plum]

Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame,
Fareweel our ancient glory;
Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name,
Sae fam'd in martial story.
Now Sark rins over Solway sands,
An' Tweed rins to the ocean,
To mark where England's province stands-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

What force or guile could not subdue,
Thro' many warlike ages,
Is wrought now by a coward few,
For hireling traitor's wages.
The English stell we could disdain,
Secure in valour's station;
But English gold has been our bane-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

O would, or I had seen the day
That Treason thus could sell us,
My auld grey head had lien in clay,
Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace!
But pith and power, till my last hour,
I'll mak this declaration;
We're bought and sold for English gold-
Such a parcel of rogues in a nation!

[llondel]

Losing NI and Scotland from the Union is arithmetically in the interests of the Conservative party.
The Tories have 13 of Scotland's 59 seats and none in NI, the DUP have 10 out of 18.

Even losing Wales would be a net gain, Welsh Conservative party has just 11 seats out of 40.

Finally, it's all starting to make sense. If the Conservatives succeed in their FUK project they can rule for a thousand years.

Missed that on first read.

It's cheaper to keep Wales, they'd have to build a wall from scratch, whereas for Scotland they'd just need to refurbish the one already there. Although their mates might like a few cushy wall-building contracts.

[Woody]

It's cheaper to keep Wales, they'd have to build a wall from scratch, whereas for Scotland they'd just need to refurbish the one already there. Although their mates might like a few cushy wall-building contracts

Maybe Mexico could pay for them

[CharlieOneSix]

I thought this was hilarious - at Westminster a NZ born Conservative MP can't understand SNP MP's accent...

Say again.......

[AtomKraft]

Well said Plum.

No fool, our Bard.

[BenThere]

Would Scots be clamoring to sneak illegally into England?

Would England be offering cushy welfare better than Scotland's?

[om15]

Would England be offering cushy welfare better than Scotland's?

England will offer welfare benefits to those that genuinely need welfare support based on the ability of economy to support these payments.

Scotland under the SNP will hose lavish welfare payments to anyone who will vote for them, typically unemployed socialists and Marxists, providing the English continue to fund this under the grossly unfair Barnet Formula.

As a first step to Independence it would be admirable if the SNP could demonstrate that they can live within their means without financial support from the English, who they continue to revile for not giving them enough money.

[BenThere]

Call me thick, but as I see it as an American with ancestral roots everywhere in the British Isles except Wales, why not let the Scots be Scots, the English be English, Ulster be Ulster, the Welsh be Welsh, and be done with it? They can all stand on their own and quit sniping at each other.

England is the crown jewel of the UK and source and core of its power and influence. Scotland is by heritage a fiercely independent nation unto itself, with a collective political view at odds with England. Ulster and Wales have their own independence issues, with which they are better equipped to deal with at their own national level.

That's my general take as an American not informed of all the nuances. I have the same general view about the ultimate destination of the United States, becoming less united with each election.

[G-CPTN]

why not let the Scots be Scots, the English be English, Ulster be Ulster, the Welsh be Welsh, and be done with it? They can all stand on their own and quit sniping at each other.

You cannot get compliance between Newcastle and Sunderland or even between Rangers and Celtic such is the tribalism.