Is Trump a lying git?

[Alisoncc]

Trumps twatted:

After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow......
Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military.

It would appear that not a single General or military expert from the Secretary for Defence - Mattis down had the slightest inkling of Trump's intentions in this regard. Trump makes up this sh*t has he goes along. He needs to be very careful, the next White House military flyover could include a display of munitions.

Alison

[BackToAllNightLights]

Not over this issue.
I'll bet they are all quietly quite happy about it.

[Alisoncc]

Not over this issue.
I'll bet they are all quietly quite happy about it.

Why? Because the US Forces are predominantly a bunch of bigots. I think not. If people are prepared to serve their country in the armed forces does it matter what they have between their legs? Perhaps Trump should ban all left-handed people because most weapons are designed for the right-handed and it probably costs more to cater for left-handed.

The transgendered have a long history of service, often with distinction, in the armed forces. Women have fought as men in wars since time immemorial. Being transgendered is the way a person is born. It doesn't come about from some decision or virus.

I make no apologies for being born transgendered. Even though I wasn't "out" as such I speak with pride of my service in the military. Spent many a night in caravans at the end of a runway waiting for the "scramble" tannoy to announce the need to launch our nuclear armed Vulcans. And for well over a year in the deserts of Oman and the Radfan Mountains doing casevac, with lumps of lead regularly passing overhead.

From my very personal experience let me assure you I have had the least amount of discrimination from members of the armed forces than from any other section of society. Anyone prepared to stand in harms way to protect their country is more than welcome irrespective of their name, be it male or female.

Alison
PS I expected better from you BTANL. Especially from someone who seems to revel in the Canadian way of life and recognition of tolerance. Perhaps you should think about relocating south of the border.

[BackToAllNightLights]

It was not my personal opinion on the issue. I have not offered that so far.
It is purely my read on the real core feeling present in the US military hierarchy and how they will react to Trump's new - "What shall I tweet this morning before my brain cells are up to speed".
That is becoming a more worrying question as I am becoming more convinced that his brain is somewhat defective and ill-suited for this current role and never actually gets up to V1.

[Alisoncc]

It was not my personal opinion on the issue. I have not offered that so far.

Your did write:

I'll bet they are all quietly quite happy about it.

Which sounds a lot like a personal opinion.

Agree with what you then went on to post. Some senior General is quoted as saying "The military doesn't work on "tweeted" orders, nothing will happen until we get an official directive, and even then it will take time. Lots.

Alison

[BackToAllNightLights]

That was my opinion on their feelings about alternate sexualities in the military - Not Mine. I thought that was plain.

Personally for matters like this about people, all I care about is if they are a good person or not, if employed, that they are good at their jobs and if employed in critical functions, that they are damn good at their jobs. I don't define people by their sexuality and prefer it when other people don't define themselves by that criteria. There are so many other factors that make a decent human being.

[Slasher]

Lt Cdr Dan Quagmire. But he had his sliced up after his military service, not during.

[Octopussy2]

The Telegraph yesterday said that the US defence department estimated that there were around 7,000 transgender troops in an active force of 1.3 million. So "they all" are hardly likely to be happy about it. And that's quite a lot of troops to do without.

And are they REALLY going to deny people the right to serve their country because of this? Seems to me to be (ahem) utter bollocks.

[Pontius Navigator]

It would seem from another forum that many are FtM and not MtF

[Cacophonix]

I expect that if the ad hoc, bad ad-libbing, twatterer of a pretence of a POTUS actually gets his frazzled brain in gear enough to push legislation relevant to banning transgender folks from the military, the whole thing will end up in the supreme court which is in fact where Trump and some of his minions should actually be in the dock.

Yes he is a lying git!

Caco

[limeygal]

In answer to the thread title-yes he is. He has no intellect or compassion. All that should matter re. military service is that your oppo has your back. It shouldn't matter what they were/are/will be. I hope someone sits him down soon and explains how the government actually works. (Oh, and take his feckin phone away)

[Sisemen]

I think the point that is trying to be made is that the expense of providing the operation and specialist hormone treatment simply cannot be justified for a relatively small group of people when military budgets are stretched. Generally, I think that it doesn't matter nowadays who has got your back but if you want to change then do it at your own expense.

[Mrs Ex-Ascot]

Limeygal

[Alisoncc]

I think the point that is trying to be made is that the expense of providing the operation and specialist hormone treatment simply cannot be justified for a relatively small group of people when military budgets are stretched.

Minimal costs incurred.

On the issue of cost, the president said this is — I think he’s implying that somehow this is going to cost a fortune for the budget. Again, this RAND study indicated that the rough costs per year are about $2 million to $8 million. That’s not a lot in a $600 billion Pentagon budget.

And just for point of comparison, let’s say those RAND numbers are totally wrong and it’s even more. The Pentagon right now spends 10 times that amount on Cialis and Viagra, so just as a point of comparison.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/trumps-transgender-ban-mean-active-duty-military-members/

Alison

[Bob]

A plea from afar:

Americans, FFS there must be some way to rid yourself of this childish dictator?, I know it means a lot of you will have to eat humble pie, but surely that would be better than letting this spiteful goon destroy what is left of your great countries reputation?

[Bob]

P.S. The OP...Well of course, I don't even think Ben the confused one could state otherwise and believe it

[obgraham]

In other news, stocks are up, unemployment in my town is at a 10 year low, the weather is wonderful,and there is a great airshow going on right now (which unfortunately I'm not at).

We'll leave the obsessing about Trump to others.

[Bob]

OB, I honestly know nothing about the Unemployment situation in your town, but good to hear it is on the up.
As for stocks, the weather and great airshows, well if you want to thank Trump for that.....fill yer boots matey.

Meanwhile the rest of the world and by all accounts more americans than not, want the goon out of there....pronto

[obgraham]

You're missing my point here, Bob:

Ordinary Americans want improvement in their lives and their family situations. We don't ascribe improvement in those things to the government, but we sure as hell understand when the government gets in the way and makes things worse. They don't really waste time worrying about Scareymooch, TG's, or a big iceberg coming up from Antarctica to drown us all.

You lot obviously prefer to whine on about something you have no say in. Well, here's a thought: if you don't like our leaders because yours are incapable of influencing your lives, get on a fecking boat, move here, take out citizenship, and VOTE. That's what I did. If you can't be arsed, we don't give a sh!t.

[Cacophonix]

You're missing my point here, Bob:

Ordinary Americans want improvement in their lives and their family situations. We don't ascribe improvement in those things to the government, but we sure as hell understand when the government gets in the way and makes things worse. They don't really waste time worrying about Scareymooch, TG's, or a big iceberg coming up from Antarctica to drown us all.

You lot obviously prefer to whine on about something you have no say in. Well, here's a thought: if you don't like our leaders because yours are incapable of influencing your lives, get on a fecking boat, move here, take out citizenship, and VOTE. That's what I did. If you can't be arsed, we don't give a sh!t.

We'll exercise our human right to comment on idiots here in the UK, the world and even in your dystopian parish as well! You'd better believe it ob old boy!

In truth Trump's malaise and America's plunge down the sewer affects the whole world and if you can't see that then you are more of a Trumpite than even I had given you discredit for!

Caco