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Re: Mugabe

#201 Post by Capetonian » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:06 am

I think you would struggle to find a black person who remembers Ian Smith's regime who would be able to honestly state that things were worse for him than under Mugape.

Smith was one of the most honourable politicians who has ever lived, it was a tragedy that the lefties of the world dragged it down, and of course now "those social justice warriors are nowhere to be found", for example the loathsome Peter Hain, when it comes to doing anything to restore civilisation to southern Africa.

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#202 Post by BenThere » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:57 pm

I found a pretty good nutshell summary of Mugabe's impact here:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/09/17/di ... socialist/

Socialism sounds good, especially to those at the lower end of the economic spectrum. It promises things we all want - that no one should go hungry, everyone deserves medical care, every child should have access to an education so it can achieve its potential, every family needs a roof over their heads, every worker deserves a living wage. But it hasn't worked out yet, but ultimately ends in misery, mostly for those who bought into the scheme.

It's the often vilified Capitalism that has delivered the goods and raised the quality of life for those fortunate enough to live in countries that embrace it.

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#203 Post by John Hill » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:20 pm

Almost every modern attempt at socialism soon finds itself locked in an economic battle with the Empire, sanctions, tariffs, boycott even outright blockade.

Mugabe was not a socialist.
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#204 Post by Capetonian » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:46 pm

BenThere :
That is one of the best summaries of Mugabe's impact I've read.
Thank you.

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#205 Post by BenThere » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:50 pm

Mugabe was not a socialist.
That's a laugher. He was a Marxist/Leninist Socialist in fact. Are you defending his rule and its effects, John Hill? Or are you defending socialism as a construct for a happy society? The fact is that Mugabe, a committed Socialist, turned out to be a cancer on Zimbabwe, just like Chavez, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, Castro, the Kim dynasty, et al. And it wasn't the Empire, sanctions and such that did them in. It was the failure of Socialism to deliver what it promised, but delivered tyranny, impoverishment, and even murder. When that truth inevitably becomes clear to the people who bought into the scam, it's too late.

It amazes me that the schools around here don't teach the aftermath of adopted Socialism at the level of central government control. And once they attain power, they will do anything to not let that power go.

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#206 Post by Sisemen » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:46 am

And one hears that socialism under Saint Jacinta ain't faring too well either. How many more promises is she going to renege on until she's given the order of the boot by the sensible majority of New Zealanders?

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#207 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:34 am

Ben There thank you for posting that interesting article on Mugabe, it was very well written.

Talking to a Zimmy friend the other day he commented that while Mugabe was bad, the present incumbent is far far worse. He is not known as the crocodile for nothing.

Those that are working here send US dollars to their families in Zim. They send cash in preference to transferring money in order to avoid the government bonds.
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#208 Post by John Hill » Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:41 am

BenThere wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:50 pm


He was a Marxist/Leninist Socialist in fact.

**Mugabe's administration expanded healthcare and education and—despite his professed Marxist desire for a socialist society—adhered largely to mainstream, conservative economic policies. Perhaps you equate healthcare and education as socialist?

**Partly a quote from someone else.
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#209 Post by Capetonian » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:02 am

"Mugabe's administration expanded healthcare and education"
That didn't last though. People have to take their own medication, sheets, towels, and soap to what is left of the hospitals. If that is what you call 'expanding' then I think many would disagree.
Whatever political label you may attach to Mugabe, he was an evil, despicable, megalomaniac despotic dictator who inflicted death and misery upon millions of people.
Oddly enough, the situation in Venezuela is not massively different, so there may be an inherent failure in that brand of 'socialism'.

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#210 Post by John Hill » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:47 am

Neither Zimbabwe nor Venezuela were/are socialist states.

No doubt some here delight in calling every state that has failed, for whatever reason, SOCIALIST.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch ... -socialism
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#211 Post by John Hill » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:25 am

Capetonian wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:02 am
"Mugabe's administration expanded healthcare and education"
That didn't last though.
I would not expect it to last long in a non-socialist country
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#212 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:04 pm

This thread should be buried.

Open a new one KROKODIL

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#213 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:10 pm

Pontius Navigator wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:04 pm
This thread should be buried.

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#214 Post by ian16th » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:13 pm

Pontius Navigator wrote:
Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:04 pm
This thread should be buried.

Open a new one KROKODIL
Or maybe just 'Zimbabwe'!
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#215 Post by Capetonian » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:34 pm

Some of you will have heard of Jean Tholet, wife of Clem Tholet, the very popular and much loved Rhodesian singer/songwriter. They were good friends of mine. Both real characters, larger and louder than life.

Of all Clem's many and lovely songs, this is probably my favourite, brings me out in goosebumps and tears at the same time, and may have the same effect on anyone who spent time in what was then one of the finest countries on earth.


Jean was Ian Smith's stepdaughter, the daughter of his wife Janet.

Jean died at the end of August in CPT.

Two lovely comments were made during the service;

The Priest said - have you noticed that there isn't a coffin in the church? Reason being that the family had told him that Jean always said " don't want to be seen dead in church" - so Jean.....

A friend (also a Rhodesian) gave a lovely talk about Jean and their friendship. Talking about her positivity, and ability to get things done - Her final comment was - "well it didn't take Jean long to sort Bob out, did it"?

Jean wanted donations in her memory to be made to the Mdala Trust, an organisation looking after Rhodesian pensioners in the Western Cape whose pensions were stolen by Mugabe's thugs. A very worthy cause.
https://mdalatrust.org.za/

If anyone feels like making a donation, here are their banking details:
TRUST BANKING DETAILS:
The Mdala Trust / Standard Bank
Account Number: 374 230 927
Branch Code (Fish Hoek): 036 009
Swift Code: SBZAZAJJ

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#216 Post by Capetonian » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:49 pm

The filthy old bastard is being 'laid to rest' at a rural family home. There was some controversy, as apparently Zanu-PF wanted him buried in a Mausoleum at Heroes' Acre. I suspect that people would pay good money (if they had any) to go and ***** on his grave.

Along with I am sure millions of others, I don't give a toss where he's buried, as he's just a piece of pollution, but I hope he, and in due time his vile wife, rot and burn in hell. They deserve no peace.

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#217 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Sep 30, 2019 4:36 pm

There is a photograph in today's Telegraph of his coffin, steel lined, being held over a huge hole in the ground ready for a layer of concrete.

Yeah right.

The coffin is shown at an angle, one corner in the hole. One man holding one end, his right arm straight bearing the weight, his left arm out and high with little strain.

The lower corner is unsupported. We can't see the grip on the other corner but it is not the grip of someone holding a laden coffin.

It concludes: . . . finally buried next to his home with second wife Grace Mugabe . . . One could only hope, but I wouldn't bet on him being in that coffin.

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#218 Post by Capetonian » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:40 am

I am not sure if these quotes attributed to Robbing Mugape, who hopefully is burning in hell, are actually his, but they are quite amusing. He was no fool.

The Zimbabwe ex-President will be remembered for his great wit and his colourful language.

*These are some of the raw, hilarious and unforgettable 'Robert Mugabe quotes'

1) "When your clothes are made of cassava leaves, you don’t take a goat as a friend."

2) "If you are ugly, you are ugly. Stop talking about inner beauty because men don’t walk around with X-ray machines
to see inner beauty."

3) "When one’s goat gets missing, the aroma of a neighbour’s soup gets suspicious."

4) "Treat every part of your towel nicely because the part that wipes your buttocks today will wipe your face tomorrow."

5) "Sometimes you look back at girls you spent money on, rather than send it to your mum, and you realise witchcraft
is real."

6) "If President Barack Obama wants me to allow marriage for same-sex couples in my country (Zimbabwe), he must come
here so that I marry him first."

7) "Cigarette is a pinch of tobacco rolled in a piece of paper with fire on one end and a fool on the other end."

8) Interviewer: "Mr President, when are you bidding the people of Zimbabwe farewell?"

Robert Mugabe: "Where are they going?"

9) Racism will never end as long as white cars are still using black tyres; If people still use black colour for bad luck and white for peace; If people still wear white clothes to weddings and black clothes to funerals; As long as those who don’t pay their
bills are blacklisted and not ‘whitelisted’… But I don’t care as long as I still use the white tissue paper to wipe my ass! With that only, I will always be very fine.

10) No African girl will choose six pack over six cars.. So stop going to the gym and go to work!

10) "How do you convince the upcoming generations that education is the key to success when we are surrounded by poor
graduates and rich criminal?”

11) lf Adam & Eve were Chinese we would have been in paradise because they would have ignored the apple and eaten
thè snake.

12) A person can love you and still cheat, just like we love God and still sin.

13) It’s better to sit in a bar thinking about God than to sit in a church thinking about beer.

14) Being kissed does not mean you are loved, ask Jesus about Judas.

15) "If I am given a chance to travel through time, I will go back to 1946, find Donald Trump's father and give him
a condom
."

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#219 Post by Woody » Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:45 am

Not sure if anyone else knows about this story, but thought that I’d share this.
From a friend who got it from another friend. Share the HELL out of it.

I have just had an experience that I feel in my heart that I need to share with my friends and family. I just hope that I can do it justice by putting it into words.

I've just got back from our quaint little village of Paul Roux after doing the usual mundane tasks of going to the co-op, getting feed for the animals and other odds and ends. Almost routinely stopping on my way out at our local Spaza for a cool drink for today and a box of cigarettes.

When I walked in it was rather crowded but funnily quiet with a few hushed wispers every now and again. All with masks on which has now become the norm and doesn't make one feel uncomfortable anymore.

An old man shuffled towards me and smiled at me and we had the good old greeting and normal pleasantries towards me. He then asked me, sir were you one of the guys in Senekal yesterday? The Spaza went quiet. I said yes that I was.

What happened next still has me feeling overwhelmed. There was an explosion of emotions from young and old. The ladies started singing and dancing. The men all came forward to shake my hand where I realized my African handshake needs some work! But I can say that after today its mastered.

One very well dressed young man come to me, shook my hand and said thank you sir. All this in perfect English. What he said to me really touched me and all agreed with him. Sir, yesterday when all the boere drove past us it became quiet. We all knew that today is the day that change will come. We have been waiting for the farmers to stand up and decide it's enough!

We are all scared at night and nobody is safe, we know having worked on farms where our food comes from. We know that its not the farmers fault for job losses. We are tired!

What bowled me over was what came next. Sir, we know that next week the court date is coming up. What we ask is, will the boere please stop with all their white bakkies so that we can fill them and join you. We need to all come together!

A lot more was said and many a cheer and smile was made. Driving back, a load of feed and my mind racing with all my thoughts. I now realize that the time has come, we lost another young man with his entire life ahead of him. But his life has started a movement. One that I don't believe we have any idea of how powerful it is. I have hope again, South Africa will come right. We must just stand together and make ourselves heard!

God bless you all and stay safe. Keep the fire going in your hearts!
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Re: Mugabe

#220 Post by Woody » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:47 am

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