There's a way. it was done in 1944/45. Can be done again.
PS - Sorry didn't see Fox's post. Looks like we are on the same wavelength.
Chaos in Germany
Re: Chaos in Germany
PS - Sorry didn't see Fox's post. Looks like we are on the same wavelength.
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".
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Re: Chaos in Germany
Protests against Germany’s far right gain new momentum after report on meeting of extremists
Demonstrations across German cities have gained momentum in recent days, amid growing anxiety about the popularity of far-right parties and extremist meetings to plan mass deportations.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/prot ... rcna134920
Tens of thousands of people protested the far right in cities across Germany on Saturday, attending events with slogans such as “Never Again is Now,” “Against Hate” and “Defend Democracy.” The large crowds were the latest in a series of demonstrations that have been gaining momentum in recent days.
The demonstrations came in the wake of a report that right-wing extremists recently met to discuss the deportation of millions of immigrants, including some with German citizenship. Some members of the far-right Alternative for Germany party, or AfD, were present at the meeting.
Police said a Saturday afternoon protest in Frankfurt drew 35,000 people. Demonstrations in Stuttgart, Nuremberg and Hannover, among other cities, also drew large crowds.
A similar demonstration Friday in Hamburg, Germany’s second-largest city, drew what police said was a crowd of 50,000 and had to be ended early because the mass of people led to safety concerns.
Additional protests planned for Sunday in other major German cities, including Berlin, Munich and Cologne, are also expected to draw tens of thousands of people.
Although Germany has seen other protests against the far right in past years, the size and scope of protests being held this weekend — not just in major cities, but also in dozens of smaller cities across the country — are notable.
Saturday’s crowds were a sign that the protests seem to be galvanizing popular opposition to the AfD in a new way. What started out as relatively small gatherings have grown into protests that, in many cases, are drawing far more participants than organizers expected.
The catalyst for the protests was a report from the media outlet Correctiv last week on an alleged far-right meeting in November, which it said was attended by figures from the extremist Identitarian Movement and from the AfD. A prominent member of the Identitarian Movement, Austrian citizen Martin Sellner, presented his “remigration” vision for deportations, the report said.
The AfD has sought to distance itself from the extremist meeting, saying it had no organizational or financial links to the event, that it wasn’t responsible for what was discussed there and members who attended did so in a purely personal capacity. Still, one of the AfD’s co-leaders, Alice Weidel, has parted ways with an adviser who was there, while also decrying the reporting itself.
The protests also build on growing anxiety over the last year about the AfD’s rising support among the German electorate.
The AfD was founded as a euroskeptic party in 2013 and first entered the German Bundestag in 2017. Polling now puts it in second place nationally with around 23%, far above the 10.3% it won during the last federal election in 2021.
Last summer, candidates from the AfD won the party’s first-ever mayoral election and district council election, the first far-right party to do so since the Nazi era. And in state elections in Bavaria and Hesse, the party made significant gains.
The party leads in several states in eastern Germany, the region where its support is strongest — including three, Brandenburg, Saxony and Thuringia, that are slated to hold elections this fall.
As a result, Germany is grappling with how best to respond to the party’s popularity.
The widespread anger over the Correctiv report has prompted renewed calls for Germany to consider seeking a ban on the AfD. On Saturday, the Brandenburg chapter of Germany’s Greens voted at a party convention in favor of pursuing a potential ban to help prevent the rise of “a new fascist government in Germany.”
However, many of the AfD’s opponents have spoken out against the idea, arguing that the process would be lengthy, success is highly uncertain and it could benefit the party by allowing it to portray itself as a victim.
Elected officials from across the political spectrum, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, expressed their support for the protests.
“From Cologne to Dresden, from Tuebingen to Kiel, hundreds of thousands are taking to the streets in Germany in the coming days,” Scholz said in his weekly video statement, adding that protesters’ efforts are an important symbol “for our democracy and against right-wing extremism.”
Friedrich Merz, head of the center-right Christian Democrats, said the protests show Germans are “against every form of hate, against incitement and against forgetting history.”
“The silent majority is raising its voice and showing that it wants to live in a country that is cosmopolitan and free,” he told the German news agency dpa.
Attention to, and support for, the protests extends beyond the political sphere. Prominent figures in sports, entertainment and business have also commented on them.
Bayern Munich soccer coach Thomas Tuchel spoke out against right-wing extremism at a Saturday news conference: “There is no doubt about it, we stand up 1000% against any kind of extremism,” he said, according to dpa. For such a message, he added, there can “never be too many voices.”
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Demonstrations across German cities have gained momentum in recent days, amid growing anxiety about the popularity of far-right parties and extremist meetings to plan mass deportations.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/prot ... rcna134920
Tens of thousands of people protested the far right in cities across Germany on Saturday, attending events with slogans such as “Never Again is Now,” “Against Hate” and “Defend Democracy.” The large crowds were the latest in a series of demonstrations that have been gaining momentum in recent days.
The demonstrations came in the wake of a report that right-wing extremists recently met to discuss the deportation of millions of immigrants, including some with German citizenship. Some members of the far-right Alternative for Germany party, or AfD, were present at the meeting.
Police said a Saturday afternoon protest in Frankfurt drew 35,000 people. Demonstrations in Stuttgart, Nuremberg and Hannover, among other cities, also drew large crowds.
A similar demonstration Friday in Hamburg, Germany’s second-largest city, drew what police said was a crowd of 50,000 and had to be ended early because the mass of people led to safety concerns.
Additional protests planned for Sunday in other major German cities, including Berlin, Munich and Cologne, are also expected to draw tens of thousands of people.
Although Germany has seen other protests against the far right in past years, the size and scope of protests being held this weekend — not just in major cities, but also in dozens of smaller cities across the country — are notable.
Saturday’s crowds were a sign that the protests seem to be galvanizing popular opposition to the AfD in a new way. What started out as relatively small gatherings have grown into protests that, in many cases, are drawing far more participants than organizers expected.
The catalyst for the protests was a report from the media outlet Correctiv last week on an alleged far-right meeting in November, which it said was attended by figures from the extremist Identitarian Movement and from the AfD. A prominent member of the Identitarian Movement, Austrian citizen Martin Sellner, presented his “remigration” vision for deportations, the report said.
The AfD has sought to distance itself from the extremist meeting, saying it had no organizational or financial links to the event, that it wasn’t responsible for what was discussed there and members who attended did so in a purely personal capacity. Still, one of the AfD’s co-leaders, Alice Weidel, has parted ways with an adviser who was there, while also decrying the reporting itself.
The protests also build on growing anxiety over the last year about the AfD’s rising support among the German electorate.
The AfD was founded as a euroskeptic party in 2013 and first entered the German Bundestag in 2017. Polling now puts it in second place nationally with around 23%, far above the 10.3% it won during the last federal election in 2021.
Last summer, candidates from the AfD won the party’s first-ever mayoral election and district council election, the first far-right party to do so since the Nazi era. And in state elections in Bavaria and Hesse, the party made significant gains.
The party leads in several states in eastern Germany, the region where its support is strongest — including three, Brandenburg, Saxony and Thuringia, that are slated to hold elections this fall.
As a result, Germany is grappling with how best to respond to the party’s popularity.
The widespread anger over the Correctiv report has prompted renewed calls for Germany to consider seeking a ban on the AfD. On Saturday, the Brandenburg chapter of Germany’s Greens voted at a party convention in favor of pursuing a potential ban to help prevent the rise of “a new fascist government in Germany.”
However, many of the AfD’s opponents have spoken out against the idea, arguing that the process would be lengthy, success is highly uncertain and it could benefit the party by allowing it to portray itself as a victim.
Elected officials from across the political spectrum, including Chancellor Olaf Scholz, expressed their support for the protests.
“From Cologne to Dresden, from Tuebingen to Kiel, hundreds of thousands are taking to the streets in Germany in the coming days,” Scholz said in his weekly video statement, adding that protesters’ efforts are an important symbol “for our democracy and against right-wing extremism.”
Friedrich Merz, head of the center-right Christian Democrats, said the protests show Germans are “against every form of hate, against incitement and against forgetting history.”
“The silent majority is raising its voice and showing that it wants to live in a country that is cosmopolitan and free,” he told the German news agency dpa.
Attention to, and support for, the protests extends beyond the political sphere. Prominent figures in sports, entertainment and business have also commented on them.
Bayern Munich soccer coach Thomas Tuchel spoke out against right-wing extremism at a Saturday news conference: “There is no doubt about it, we stand up 1000% against any kind of extremism,” he said, according to dpa. For such a message, he added, there can “never be too many voices.”
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However, people who want to ban legal parties are apparently not extremists 
"To save democracy, we have to kill it!"
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Just reinforces my opinion of Germans after living there for twenty five years: they are confused.
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Trains on strike this week. Well not the trains but the drivers. Vorsprung durch Industrial Action.
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Mein Arbeitskampf 
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Re: Chaos in Germany
For the second time in a month, a nationwide strike has forced German commuters to choose between being stranded at a train station or stuck in a traffic jam. Deutsche Bahn (DB) employees have been on strike since Wednesday, leading to disrupted train schedules and congested roads in what's planned to be Germany's longest rail strike to date.
While not uncommon in Germany, these rail strikes are only one facet of the many challenges facing the national railway service. Passengers regularly grapple with prolonged delays and cancellations for a variety of reasons that go beyond labor disputes.
Frequent cancellations
DB operates the majority of Germany's railways and is responsible for approximately 95% of long-distance transportation, 67% of local transit and 42% of freight conveyance. In 2023, just 64% of long-distance trains reached their destination on time, meaning less than six minutes late, according to a DB spokesperson. These numbers, however, do not include journeys where delays are so long that they are cancelled.
While not uncommon in Germany, these rail strikes are only one facet of the many challenges facing the national railway service. Passengers regularly grapple with prolonged delays and cancellations for a variety of reasons that go beyond labor disputes.
Frequent cancellations
DB operates the majority of Germany's railways and is responsible for approximately 95% of long-distance transportation, 67% of local transit and 42% of freight conveyance. In 2023, just 64% of long-distance trains reached their destination on time, meaning less than six minutes late, according to a DB spokesperson. These numbers, however, do not include journeys where delays are so long that they are cancelled.
Re: Chaos in Germany
Well, that's why the locals were somewhat puzzled when we told them some months ago the train from DUS was just 10 min late 
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Proof that Germans are utterly mad:
Merkel closes down dirty (?) nuclear generating stations.
Population: hurrah !
But now there's no electricity...
Population: boo !
So we will burn polluting Polish coal to make electricity..
Population: boo !
Government: So we'll spend billions on building gas-powered generating stations !
Population: hurrah !
Government: but they are polluting...
Population: boo !
Government: so later they will run on clean hydrogen !
Population: hurrah !
Government: and the hydrogen will be made in electrically powered generating stations !
Population: hurrah ! Er....
Merkel closes down dirty (?) nuclear generating stations.
Population: hurrah !
But now there's no electricity...
Population: boo !
So we will burn polluting Polish coal to make electricity..
Population: boo !
Government: So we'll spend billions on building gas-powered generating stations !
Population: hurrah !
Government: but they are polluting...
Population: boo !
Government: so later they will run on clean hydrogen !
Population: hurrah !
Government: and the hydrogen will be made in electrically powered generating stations !
Population: hurrah ! Er....
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Re: Chaos in Germany
Facing three years in prison for using a Nazi slogan:
Björn Höcke, who leads the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in Thuringia, is being tried for saying the words "Everything for Germany!" during a 2021 rally.
At a campaign event in the state of Saxony-Anhalt in May 2021, Mr Höcke ended a speech by saying: "Everything for our homeland, everything for Saxony-Anhalt, everything for Germany!"
Björn Höcke, who leads the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party in Thuringia, is being tried for saying the words "Everything for Germany!" during a 2021 rally.
At a campaign event in the state of Saxony-Anhalt in May 2021, Mr Höcke ended a speech by saying: "Everything for our homeland, everything for Saxony-Anhalt, everything for Germany!"