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Re: Chaos in Spain

#541 Post by OFSO » Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:39 pm

Clara Ponsatí Obiols, Spanish economist and Catalan politician, who has been in exile in Scotland for the past five years, returned to Barcelona today and was immediately arrested for 'disobedience' relating to organising a people's vote on separatism in 2017.(?)

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#542 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Mar 28, 2023 6:19 pm

That has to be the least surprising thing since the Sun rose in the East.
I mean, the Government promised they wouldn't arrest him..what better guarantee was needed that they would?
Is Scotland really that bad now? ;)))

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#543 Post by OFSO » Tue Mar 28, 2023 7:27 pm

Clara = her. Spain took 'sedition' off the crime books but left 'disobedience' there. There's one judge - I won't mention his name - who once he gets his teeth in a person never gives up. Spanish government is weak as dishwater, judges run the show. And old fascist families.

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#544 Post by OFSO » Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:57 pm

Another example today: a four year and a half custodial sentence (which may not have to be served) for a former leader of the Catalan Parliament, Seniora Borrãs, for apparently falsifying a document, about which there is much doubt, although not in the Spanish judges' minds....

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#545 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Mar 31, 2023 1:43 am

I bet he wasn't expecting that!

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#546 Post by barkingmad » Sun Apr 09, 2023 8:39 am

Is this the reason why Spain is sooh popular as a holiday destination for hominids from cooler climates?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65211722

Now we know why OFSO spends his days there and it’s not necessarily because of the cheap Rioja?! :)) =))

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#547 Post by OFSO » Sun Apr 09, 2023 1:40 pm

I never expected the Spanish Inquisition....

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#548 Post by OFSO » Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:07 pm

A mixed language lunch today with friends. I brought up the subject of how Spain, due to high taxes, 'social charges' and restrictive EU laws, is losing businesses to countries with more favourable taxation, less restrictive laws, and dare I say it, the ability to turn a blind eye to corruption. Result is taxes being raised to cover the deficit, more people out of work or declaring themselves so, and GDP heading downward. Very depressing.

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#549 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:20 pm

Remember that all the wages of and infrastructure supporting those people administering the laws and taxes count as GDP,
which makes a mockery of the 'P'.

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#550 Post by OFSO » Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:51 am

In order to stay in power after the snap Spanish general election called for July 23rd, Socialist premier Pedro Sánchez is enlisting the help of convicted terrorists such as Arnold Ortegi* from the Basque EH Bildu party, successor to ETA, which killed 853 civilians before being 'disbanded' in 2011. Will this be enough to keep the far-right Vox out of power?

*Served 14 years in prison.

Shades of Tony Blair and the IRA!

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#551 Post by OFSO » Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:42 pm

The King of Spain just sent a message to the population of the Canary Islands menaced by a huge forest fire, saying he is with them. No he isn't, he's sitting in Wimbledon, watching the tennis.

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#552 Post by OFSO » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:09 pm

After last Sunday's General Election in Spain, the only way either the Conservative Party or the Socialist Party can get enough seats in Parliament to rule is in coalition with the Catalan Separatist Party, JUNTS. In any civilised country, talks would be taking place. Not in Spain. An arrest warrant is being issued for Carlos Puigdemont, leader of JUNTS (in exile in Belgium) on phoney charges relating to the referendum (illegal in Spain) he organised a few years ago. That will really doom any hope of a coalition government.

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#553 Post by OFSO » Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:35 am

With the conservative (leader Sanchez) and socialist parties (leader Feijoo) failing in last weeks General Election to get enough seats to rule Spain, it will be up to King Felipe to decide which leader to invite to form a government in coalition with a minority party. However both leaders of the Catalan JUNTS and the Basque Bildu have refused to meet the King to discuss which of the two main parties they could support. Unoficially they have already said they will support neither. Hence Spain, hindered by its version of "democracy", staggers towards another General Election.

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#554 Post by OFSO » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:07 pm

Spain's (acting) PM Sanchez and family took off for their summer holiday in the Canary Islands (official announcement) but their aircraft filed a new flight plan and changed course en-route and went to Morocco instead where he has been making political deals with the government. He hasn't even a mandate to rule after the General Election.

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#555 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:54 pm

How did our correspondents in Spain fare with the rain? :-?

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#556 Post by Wodrick » Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:13 pm

There were lines of showers coming off the lake, mostly they passed either side of me so my rainfall for the day was 3.3 cm.
there were much bigger numbers either side.

In the central belt of the country Seville, Toledo, Madrid it rained, flash floods, the whole bit.

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#557 Post by OFSO » Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:27 am

The deputy prime minister of Spain has traveled to Belgium to meet fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont to ask his help in forming a Spanish Government. As Spain has a warrant out for Puigdemont's arrest, does this make the deputy PM a lawbreaker, even slightly?

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#558 Post by OFSO » Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:30 am

Dry as an old bone in Catalunia, reservoirs at 23%, drought continues, no rain in sight for ever and a day.

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#559 Post by llondel » Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:01 pm

OFSO wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2023 5:27 am
The deputy prime minister of Spain has traveled to Belgium to meet fugitive Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont to ask his help in forming a Spanish Government. As Spain has a warrant out for Puigdemont's arrest, does this make the deputy PM a lawbreaker, even slightly?
It's a grey area. If you've got a fugitive outside your jurisdiction, one way to get them back is to talk to them nicely, possibly offer guarantees etc, so talking should not be a problem. The UK government was talking quietly to the IRA even while they were committing crimes, and that ended up being a good thing.

I assume that if things progressed to where his party would form part of the government, they'd revoke the arrest warrant and drop the charges.

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Re: Chaos in Spain

#560 Post by OFSO » Sat Sep 09, 2023 6:17 am

His party is already a coalition partner in the caretaker and last government. Next one has to be formed now or new elections to be held which will prove even more futile. Many fragmented parties, none agree with each other. Useless system.

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