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Are the Police fit for purpose

#1 Post by om15 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:58 pm

Last week we watched the Police detain two completely innocent people in a high profile case regarding the alleged operation of drones over Gatwick Airport, it now transpires that, according to the Sussex Police Chief Constable, there may well have been no drones whatsoever, the sightings are believed to be the police camera drones rather than intrusive privately operated drones. So it now appears from news reports that the whole episode was completely the fault of the Sussex Police.

Meanwhile in London the poor unfortunate citizens are still being subject to knife violence on a scale never before encountered in the civilised world, Cressida Dick now feels it is the right time to put her input into project fear by issuing dark warnings about what it might mean if we leave the EU without a deal.

If it is proven that Sussex Police caused the Gatwick fiasco the Chief Constable should be given a jail sentence of 5 years, and the aptly named Dick should be immediately replaced with someone who will actually police the capital and not support leftie propaganda about Brexit.

None of this will happen of course, both will be mentioned in the 2020 New Year Honours list.

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Re: Are the Police fit for purpose

#2 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:20 pm

The main interest of the Police, is looking after the interests of the Police.

As a law abiding citizen, I used to assume they were on my side. Not so.
Eventually, most people discover this unfortunate fact.

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#3 Post by Cacophonix » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:30 pm

Sadly the Gatwick "panic" will mostly likely turn out to be just that. A rumour of a drone sighting that reinforced itself through the use of the very drones that were being used to find the probably mythical original drone.

A self perpetuating and reinforcing fiasco that was mismanaged by the airport, the police, with the egregious misuse of the powers of arrest based upon another unverified rumour and then exacerbated by poor communication and dissembling when the first mistake soon became obvious, and the government, vide, the failure of Chris Greyling (aka Chris Failing) from start to finish!

A dismal and embarrassing performance all round! Whatever happened to the stiff upper lip and some nous!

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#4 Post by llondel » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:06 pm

Do you know the real purpose of the police? Until you decide on that, you can't determine whether they're fit for it. As AtomKraft said above, most people assume one thing and some find out the hard way that their assumption was wrong.

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Re: Are the Police fit for purpose

#5 Post by om15 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:32 pm

The purpose of the police service is to uphold the law fairly and firmly; to prevent crime; to pursue and bring to justice those who break the law; to keep the Queen's peace; to protect, help and reassure the community; and to be seen to do this with integrity, common sense and sound judgement
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#6 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:58 pm

That bitch Dick should be serving a life sentence in prison for the murder of the Brazilian electrician in Stockwell tube station.

So should the SRR trooper who held him while the incompetent Met shootist fired the fatal rounds into the victim's face.

Bastards, all of 'em.

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#7 Post by om15 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:39 am

Cressida Dick was an accountant before joining the police, rising to become head of the diversity directorate in the MPS, she was appointed Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police in Feb 2017. The first women to be appointed Commissioner she brought to the position the additional benefit of being a lesbian.
Sadiq Khan recently said that it will take ten years to deal with knife crime in London, he is probably correct in this as those that are charged to do this are wet useless lefties that are busy promoting each other and inventing more exciting diversity initiatives.
Dick should be immediately, this morning, be replaced by a proper traditional policeman, a large man with sturdy footwear and a trilby, supported by likeminded no nonsense colleagues they should be instructed to sort the problem out in three months.
The long suffering people of London should swiftly vote out all the useless leftie rubbish politicians, Khan, Abbot and the rest of the wet shower, the vacant positions filled with purposeful men with the ability to get things done without worrying about a few cracked heads. Funds must made available for high powered water cannons, tear gas, dungeons and vicious dogs and the knife problem tackled head on without restraint.
But that won't happen because it might "alienate the community", and of course we mustn't do that, far better to have our children live in terror of knife wielding savages.

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#8 Post by Cacophonix » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:59 am

One of my ex-girlfriend's father was the coroner in the De Menzies case. He also was the presiding judge in the Cyprus Spy trial some years before that. The government always used him when the establishment and the police wanted to bury an embarrassing case. He was knighted for his services thus after the Cyprus case even though all the accused were acquitted and the poor man was so stressed that he ended up getting shingles.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hans ... utt-report

He found me in flagrante delicto with his daughter on the evening before his knighthood was announced in The Times, and given that this had occurred in his apartment at the Inns of Court, he had every reason to be outraged. All in all he was rather civilised about it all, and even allowed me to stay for breakfast, showing a lot of English sang froid and irony in that case, as he read out the news, now public of his receipt of a gong for services rendered on behalf of HM's government!

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#9 Post by Capetonian » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:19 pm

It is tempting to hope that after the UK leaves the EU, om15's suggestions might become reality when Westminster regains legislative power from Brussels and that the Khans, Abbotts, and their ilk will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Oh, now, was that a pig I just saw flying past?

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#10 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:28 pm

OM15:
The first women to be appointed Commissioner she brought to the position the additional benefit of being a lesbian.
Didn't know this. You are correct of course. Un-bloody believable. Well guess her and her partner get good use out of the government issue truncheons. Do not know what this world is coming to.

Actually, is there any efficient police force in the world? Suggestions please.
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#11 Post by Capetonian » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:58 pm

Switzerland.

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#12 Post by Ex-Ascot » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:24 pm

Capetonian wrote:
Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:58 pm
Switzerland.
Friend of ours said that if you didn't have the correct colour of geraniums on your balcony the police charged you. Think it had to be red.
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#13 Post by om15 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:44 pm

Singapore police appear to be well thought of by the population, they don't seem to have the incompetence, corruption, masonic influences and self entitlement of our own police.
4,800 Singaporeans and permanent residents were surveyed by the police last year.

93 per cent felt safe walking in their neighbourhood at night.
92 per cent rated general safety and security in Singapore as "good" or "very good".
90 per cent believed the police are ready to deal with any major law and order incident, and are well prepared to respond to future security needs.
88 per cent felt that the police provide a high quality of service.
87 per cent regarded the police as a world-class crime-fighting organisation.

Almost half said the installation of police cameras at housing estates made them feel safer
This is an independent review carried out by a Singapore poll.

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#14 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:24 am

Singapore police appear to be well thought of by the population, they don't seem to have the incompetence, corruption, masonic influences and self entitlement of our own police.
Once, driving along the elevated expressway to-wards the exit to Malaysia, I missed the off ramp to the regular road below, and backed up - straight into the arms of a following Police motorcyclist that I hadn't noticed ( two errors ! ) What you do ? he said. Sorry, I replied, I missed the turn. You should go along to the next exit then come back he said. I know, but here's my licence and please don't take too long, the reason I didn't carry on is because it is 5.20 and I want to get to that shop over there before they close at 5.30. When I first joined SIA I immediately applied for a Sing. driving licence, 'cos I bought a motor bike, but didn't have a permanent address, so gave SIA HQ, Changi, as my address. Now looking at my licence he said - You SIA pilot ? Yes. You fly 747 ? Yes. You fly 747 backwards ? No ! Well don't drive car backwards, piss off. And he didn't issue a ticket.

My son was stopped for speeding ( slightly ) in Singapore, and didn't have his licence with him, so showed mine, which was in the glove box ( and wasn't photo I.D'd ) I subsequently got the fine, but went along to the cop shop and proved with my logbook that I had been in London at the time my son was stopped, so wasn't me. Nevertheless I eventually had to admit that it was my son, now In Australia. When your son come back to Singapore? On present form, never, I said. Well, I have to close this case somehow, how about $30 dollar fine on behalf of your son, and no note on your file or licence. Done, I said, handing over $30. I didn't ask for a receipt!

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#15 Post by Krystal n Chips » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:27 am

Just one small point regarding the police....

Fancy seeing Treeza getting a mention.

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#16 Post by Capetonian » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:23 am

Following upon the resounding success of one UK police farce force over the Gatwick drone : now you see it, now you don't, oh it wasn't there, we mean maybe there wasn't one, no that's not what we meant, sorry for the misunderstanding .....

Another police force covers itself in glory :
Couple whose stolen £40,000 Audi was found by police are horrified when thieves break into the force's recovery depot and swipe it AGAIN the same day

Police have apologised to a businessman after thieves stole his £40,000 car twice in the same day.

Phil Chambers, 30, and fiance Charlotte Gill, 28, had their Audi RS3 stolen when thugs kicked down the door to their cottage in Lutterworth, Leicestershire and demanded they hand over the keys at knifepoint. Shocked Phil then handed over the keys and the robbers sped away in the Audi.

After the horrifying incident, Phil called the police immediately to report the crime and was shocked when the cops called him back just a few hours later at 8.30am to tell him they had recovered the car. But within the hour he received another call from a policeman to tell him the same gang had broken into their depot in Coventry and stolen the car for a second time.

'He was obviously embarrassed and very apologetic,' Phil told The Sun, 'I told him "This has turned into a bloody joke hasn't it?"

Phil received a call from police shortly after the incident telling him they had recovered it, but within an hour the thieves had stolen the car again from a depot.

'Basically these blaggers had gone to the recovery yard and nicked my car at the second attempt from under police noses.

'To add insult to injury there were Christmas presents in the boot which they nicked as well.'

According to police, the thieves had dumped the car because it ran out of petrol and had simply been waiting for them to top it up with fuel before stealing it again.

Police yesterday confirmed they are hunting both the robbers and the Audi.
If I were poor old 'Phil' I wouldn't be holding my breath that the police will find the car, it's probably in Albania or Bulgaria by now.
Interestingly, for a Daily Mail article, it doesn't mention the value of the house the couple live in, and it hasn't got photos of the young lady scantily clad in suggestive poses and doing a 'duck' pout.

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#17 Post by Krystal n Chips » Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:06 am

Just thought I would mention the police numbers in Scotland and England will be reduced by about 1000 officers who are going to N.I ( just in case ) so if anybody nicks a few hedge cuttings from your neatly manicured gardens, and you demand the arrival of a Tactical Aid Group and Air support due to the residents of Wisteria Avenue expectations of being a priority, alas, you may have to wait.

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#18 Post by Boac » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:34 pm

S'ok, K&C - I sold up in Wisteria Avenue a year back and took my hedge with me.

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#19 Post by barkingmad » Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:43 am

Oops, another headache for the gorgeous fragrant Priti Patel;

Technical issue resolved after '150,000 police records lost' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55672194

Plus all this atrocious series of inadequate briefings of ‘beat’ Plods and unsuccessful attempts to follow restrictions on public behaviour which have changed 65 times since the plague precautions were introduced;

“The myriad incidents of what might charitably be described as ‘police overreach’ are among the most unedifying spectacles of the COVID-19 crisis. The chief constable who threatened to deploy police officers to search people’s shopping trolleys to check that they were purchasing only ‘essential’ items. The man with a legitimate exemption from the requirement to wear a face mask escorted under threat of arrest out of a supermarket in Oldbury. And most recently, Derbyshire Police’s heavy-handed treatment of Jessica Allen and Eliza Moore as they enjoyed a socially-distanced stroll and a cup of tea. A year ago, these incidents would have been the workings of dystopian fantasy or the conceit of black comedy. No longer, it seems. As Lord Sumption pointed out in a recent lecture, the police have, at various points in this crisis, “substantially exceeded even the vast powers that they have received”.

All this raises questions about police liability when they get things wrong. The problem is that successful claims for negligence depend on there being proof of damage, such as personal injury. In a recent Supreme Court decision, police officers who injured a passer-by while effecting the arrest of a suspect were liable for her injuries. In all of the examples given above, however, the police apologised for overstepping the mark and, where relevant, cancelled any fines issued under the Regulations. So, no harm done – or at least not enough to raise a question of negligence.

The most likely source of civil dispute against the police at present probably lies in the tort of false imprisonment. This entails a complete restriction of a person’s freedom of movement without any legal authorisation. To use the reported details of Ms Allen and Ms Moore’s case as an example (although I do so with caution because I am not privy to all the facts), it is arguable that the seven police officers who surrounded the two friends imposed a constraint on their freedom of movement at least for a short period of time. The question is whether they had legal authorisation to do so. According to paragraph 2 of Part 1 of Schedule 3A to the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (All Tiers) (England) Regulations 2020/1374, a person is permitted to take exercise outside in a public outdoor place with one other person who is not a member of his/her household. By the letter of the law, it seems that Ms Allen and Ms Moore did nothing wrong and the police should have allowed them to continue their walk.

The reason they did not, it seems, is because the two friends were five miles away from their respective homes (and therefore not “local”) and were each carrying a cup of peppermint tea (and were therefore having a “picnic”). Yet the requirement to “stay local” is mere guidance, not law – it is a product of “legislation-by-press-conference” which has become an enduring theme of this crisis. And the idea that ‘two teas make a picnic’ is worthy of a stage farce. It is true that going for a picnic in the conventional sense does not constitute a “reasonable excuse” to be outside the place where one lives. But there is nothing in the rules which prohibits the consumption of food or drink during the course of legitimate exercise. Presumably, as long as one is doing star jumps at the material time, one can lawfully eat sandwiches, crisps and pork pies in the park while someone who is not a member of the same household swigs lemonade between sit-ups. The problem is that there has been a troubling conflation of legal rules and generalised advice or recommendations in recent weeks which risks undermining the rule of law. Small wonder that police officers, who are not lawyers and must navigate tempestuous legal seas, are struggling at times to delineate the limits of their powers.

A reader of this blog has asked whether a police officer would be personally liable for any harm he/she causes a person to suffer (e.g. through negligence, false imprisonment, and so on) and therefore required to pay damages out of his/her own pocket. In practice, the answer is no: the chief constable of the relevant police force would normally be vicariously liable for the officer’s tortious conduct as his/her “employer”. Vicarious liability is a rule of responsibility by which employers answer and pay for the injury, loss or damage occasioned to third parties by their employees. It is true that the employer can later seek an indemnity from its employee but this rarely happens. The rationale for this is that employers have “deep(er) pockets” – that is, more resources – from which to pay compensation to injured parties. This is not to say that there are no ‘internal’ consequences for individual police officers (such as disciplinary action), nor does it rule out the possibility of prosecution for criminal offences”.

Poor Home Secretary being faced with such a mess and having little co-operation from ‘civil’ servants who won’t work overtime despite their contracts’ Ts&Cs. :-q

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#20 Post by Bob » Fri Jan 15, 2021 12:45 pm

Whilst I agree the UK Police farce is a **** disgrace...this "Last week we watched the Police detain two completely innocent people in a high profile case" was bollox, a setup
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