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Re: Chaos in France

#141 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:51 pm

Capetonian wrote:
Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:27 pm
The title says it all:

Uncertainty, inequality, fragility: why France is a country at war with itself

Ahem .....cough .... it's the Grauniad :
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... rlie-hebdo
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Re: Chaos in France

#142 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:06 pm

Just about every country in the west is either at war with itself, or headed that way rapidly. How that war expresses itself is different, though.

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Re: Chaos in France

#143 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:12 am

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
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Just about every country in the west is either at war with itself, or headed that way rapidly. How that war expresses itself is different, though.
Not the Canuks? Surely? ;)))
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Re: Chaos in France

#144 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:26 am

There is not a single MP in the Liberal Governing party from 3 western Provinces, in fact from the continental divide in the Rockies to Thunder Bay on Lake Superior. Even the Provinces which have a Liberal majority of Federal MPs do not have Liberal Provincial Governments. The Liberal Government introduced several controversial bills last Parliament, e.g. gun control, but haven't had the courage to try to enact them by the Orders in Council required to do so.

So, yes, even Canada.

And don't call me Shirley ;)))

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Re: Chaos in France

#145 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:39 am

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
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And don't call me Shirley ;)))
Stop it Shirley? :)

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#146 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:50 am

Please.
She's American anyway.
Here's a Canadian

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Re: Chaos in France

#147 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:58 am

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
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Please.
She's American anyway.
OK, I admit I knew that I wouldn't get that one by you... (she's good mind)...

We could go with a Cowboy Junkey...



She's a Canuck and her family are flying orientated...
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Re: Chaos in France

#148 Post by ian16th » Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:31 am

Canadian singers?

Try this one!



Or even Mr Bubbles.

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Re: Chaos in France

#149 Post by OFSO » Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:42 pm

The row about AirBNB sponsoring the 2024 Olympics is heating up. Lots of shouting on France24 this evening. Meanwhile riots continue. Demonstrator was deliberately shot in the face yesterday as she was being interviewed by TV team, by police standing next to the cameraman.

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Re: Chaos in France

#150 Post by Woody » Thu Dec 05, 2019 6:54 am

The French are revolting :D
France is preparing for severe disruption as millions of workers go on strike in protest at being forced to retire later or face reduced pensions.
School and transport workers will join police, lawyers and hospital and airport staff in a general walkout.
France's largest nationwide strike in years was agreed by unions unhappy with President Emmanuel Macron's plans for a universal points-based pension system.
Authorities have been trying to put in place plans to mediate the disruption.
The industrial action is expected to last beyond Thursday and some trade union leaders have warned they will continue their industrial action until Mr Macron abandons his campaign promise to overhaul the retirement system.
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Re: Chaos in France

#151 Post by barkingmad » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:05 am

This one has been brewing for years. When Blessed Maggie overhauled the UK economy in the 80s it has always been proposed that Les Francais would sooner or later have to go through similar pain. Their working habits and retirement practices were eventually going to have to change if they were to compete in the modern corporate thrusting multi-national world.

Apparently the retirement age for train drivers has crept up from 50 to 57, almost as late as yer average airline pilot in more recent times.........

One wonders how their big financial performance REALLY is performing and with the German economy allegedly faltering are the 2 principal proponents of the EUSSR heading for deeper trouble?

Then the sight of the Brits already throwing the covers off the lifeboats and getting ready to cast off may be more understood by our happy neighbours?

‘Twill be interesting to watch how this plays out with Macron and his spanking new administration. Must remember not to go to Paris for cultural weekend anytime soon. Eurostar is disrupted already so maybe safer in the Shetlands!

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#152 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:58 am

I think Manu is one more politician who over-promised and under-delivered. It is not the first time it happened and not the last.

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Re: Chaos in France

#153 Post by Woody » Thu Dec 05, 2019 8:35 am

BA have cancelled 14 round trips so far today from Perry Oaks International :-o
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#154 Post by Capetonian » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:54 pm

This all shows how wonderful socialism is and how well it works in practice :
France on shutdown as pension strikes halt trains, shut schools and hit Eiffel Tower

5 December 2019 • 8:47am

France's vaunted high-speed trains stood still on Thursday, schools across the country shut down and the Eiffel Tower warned visitors to stay away as unions held nationwide strikes and protests over the government's plan to overhaul the retirement system.

Paris deployed 6,000 police for what is expected to be a major demonstration through the capital, an outpouring of anger at President Emmanuel Macron for a reform seen as threatening the hard-fought French way of life.

The Eiffel Tower and the Louvre Museum warned of strike disruptions, and Paris hotels struggled to fill rooms. Many visitors, including the U.S. energy secretary, canceled plans to travel to one of the world's most-visited countries amid the strike.

Subway stations across Paris were shuttered, complicating traffic _ and prompting many commuters to use shared bikes or electric scooters instead. Many workers in the Paris region worked from home or took a day off to stay with their children, since 78 percent of teachers in the capital were on strike.

Historic train stations stood empty, with about nine out of 10 of high-speed trains canceled. Signs at Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport showed "canceled" notices, as Air France called off about 30 percent of domestic flights.

Bracing for possible violence and damage along the route of the Paris march, police ordered all businesses, cafes and restaurants in the area to close. Authorities also issued a ban on protests on the Champs-Elysees avenue, around the presidential palace, parliament and Notre Dame Cathedral. Yellow vest activists plan to join unions at the protests in Paris and cities around the country, pressing their campaign for more economic justice.

The empty Gare Du Nord in Paris, as tourists cancel travel plans and the authorities deploy thousands of police as France girds for massive, nationwide strikes and protests


Public sector workers fear President Emmanuel Macron's reform will force them to work longer and shrink their pensions. And they see this fight as crucial to saving France's social safety net.

"The five weeks of paid vacation, the state health care system _ we got all that through social struggles from people who sacrificed themselves financially for us to get that," said rail worker Gilles Pierre, taking part in Thursday's march.

Pierre, who is 41 and according to the current system can retire at 52, acknowledges that the current system is generous, but argues that it's fair compensation for the constraints that go with their jobs, like working on weekends and holidays.

"What do we want for our retirement years? To enjoy it or being a retiree in a hospital or in a bed and not being able to enjoy life?"

To Macron, the retirement reform is central to his plan to transform France so it can compete globally in the 21st century. The government argues France's 42 retirement systems need streamlining, and the transportation minister said he will meet with unions Thursday to try to defuse tensions.

The big question is how long the strike will last. Unions say it's an indefinite movement and hope to keep up momentum at least for a week, in hopes of forcing the government to make concessions.

At Montparnasse train station, Samira Quasan, a 28-year-old tourist from Chicago, described moving around her travel plans to and from Bordeaux because of the strike. Parisian Marie Boudal had to do the same for her grandchild's baptism in Lyon.

Some travelers complained about the disruptions, while some showed support for the striking workers.

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Re: Chaos in France

#155 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:46 pm

"What do we want for our retirement years? To enjoy it or being a retiree in a hospital or in a bed and not being able to enjoy life?"
In a nutshell. Macron will be retiring in comfort, won't he? My Government's just given itself a payrise and conveniently forgotten about promises to revise their gold-plated retirement benefits.

The list of people who are any good who are prepared to put up with sh!t conditions is ever-decreasing. A country is not competitive if the only people left working are the less efficient ones. Facts: efficiency and productivity in all western countries are decreasing, despite more computers and robots. I know why, you know why, the governments pretend they don't.

Leadership means example. Macron et al set a fine one.

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Re: Chaos in France

#156 Post by OFSO » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:47 am

Usual thing. Worried by French politics. We're booked on the train via Paris in the next week, heading for a family Christmas in London. Suitcases full of Mrs OFSOs presents she's made for the kids.

Why did fate place the biggest arseholes in Europe right in the middle of the continent ?

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#157 Post by Rwy in Sight » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:03 pm

At least the French police have good SOP Paris stabbing man's neutralized

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Re: Chaos in France

#158 Post by llondel » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:27 pm

OFSO wrote:
Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:47 am
Usual thing. Worried by French politics. We're booked on the train via Paris in the next week, heading for a family Christmas in London. Suitcases full of Mrs OFSOs presents she's made for the kids.

Why did fate place the biggest arseholes in Europe right in the middle of the continent ?
The Canadians have the same problem, although at least theirs are a bit more mellow.

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#159 Post by Capetonian » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:44 pm

Why did fate place the biggest arseholes in Europe right in the middle of the continent ?
So that whenever you leave France, you get that warm fuzzy feeling because most people are more pleasant and helpful, prices are lower, and service is better, although Italy and Spain leave much to be desired.

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Re: Chaos in France

#160 Post by OFSO » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:40 pm

Strike is getting worse on Tuesday next week. As if that was possible.

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