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Re: Chaos in France

#281 Post by OFSO » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:22 pm

The deputy mayor of Paris has asked for a total lock down of that city for three weeks because of escalating deaths from Covid. The French government is looking into the request but already said it didn't work for Germany, so why would it work for France?

Note: both Macron and Merkel have falsely claimed the AZ Vaccine is ineffective for over 65 year olds. Last week Merkel refused the AZ vaccine.

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Re: Chaos in France

#282 Post by k3k3 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:22 pm

OFSO wrote:
Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:22 pm

Note: both Macron and Merkel have falsely claimed the AZ Vaccine is ineffective for over 65 year olds. Last week Merkel refused the AZ vaccine.
Did Merkel refuse the vaccine for herself personally or in a wider context?

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Re: Chaos in France

#283 Post by 1DC » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:30 pm

She refused it because she is 66 and it would be against the law in Germany to have the AZ if you are over 65.

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Re: Chaos in France

#284 Post by k3k3 » Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:52 pm

As they say in Germany, Blöd!

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Re: Chaos in France

#285 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:20 pm

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Sat Feb 27, 2021 3:30 pm
She said she would refuse it because she is 66 and it would be against the law in Germany to have the AZ if you are over 65.
So the EU says whether you can or can't have the vaccine and then the Federal DR says whether you can or can't have it if the EU says you can. Then no doubt the individual State says whether you can or can't.

What about the individual?

Oh, I forgot, they don't do individual. I was only........

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Re: Chaos in France

#286 Post by G-CPTN » Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:15 pm

When can she expect receive what vaccine?

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Re: Chaos in France

#287 Post by OFSO » Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:13 pm

The EU also forbids Member States making private deals to buy e.g. vaccines. Yet when Germany did exactly that, not a word was said.

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Re: Chaos in France

#288 Post by Dushan » Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:53 pm

All states are equal, but some states are more equal than others.
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".

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Re: Chaos in France

#289 Post by llondel » Sun Feb 28, 2021 12:34 am

Germany tends to be the one with the biggest wallet paying the bills so it's a good idea not to annoy them too much in case they decide to follow the UK. I also never noticed that much happening when the French broke the rules either.

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Re: Chaos in France

#290 Post by OFSO » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:25 am

Oops! Half a million medical records stolen in France.

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Re: Chaos in France

#291 Post by Alisoncc » Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:41 am

Yeh OFSO, but you try finding a turntable to play them. They're not your average vinyl.
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Re: Chaos in France

#292 Post by OFSO » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:16 pm

Former French President Sarkozy given three year prison sentence for corruption. Two years suspended, the third year he can serve at home. How nice to be an Important Person in France!

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Re: Chaos in France

#293 Post by Woody » Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:35 pm

Being French is enough of a sentence :p
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Re: Chaos in France

#294 Post by OFSO » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:13 pm

Can't be a sentence with only two words. I was watching Monty Python and the Holy Grail last night. Their Frenchman is so true to life it's not funny.

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Re: Chaos in France

#295 Post by Woody » Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:19 pm

That’s just too tempting :D

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Re: Chaos in France

#296 Post by OFSO » Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:56 pm

France has struggled to accelerate its vaccination campaign since it began in late December, but still aims to have offered a jab to all adults who want one by the end of summer. (Financial Times, yesterday.)

The country has administered 6.7 vaccine doses per 100 people in its population as of February 28, according to Our World in Data, putting it at the back of the pack in the EU and far behind global pacesetters such as the UK with 31, the US on 23 and Israel on 95. In Europe, Denmark had managed 10.8, Spain 8.2, Germany 7.6, and Italy 7.2.

Health officials in France insisted one reason for the slow rollout is that they initially focused narrowly on the elderly living in care homes and the otherwise vulnerable. They also believed they had to move carefully given the exceptionally high levels of scepticism about vaccines among the French.

Another more embarrassing reason is France’s failure to make the most of the AstraZeneca vaccine deliveries that began arriving a month ago and will increase significantly in March and April. Macron himself said wrongly at the end of January that all the indications were that AstraZeneca was “almost ineffective” for the over-65s, when in fact there was simply insufficient data at the time.
This week the government reversed its decision not to use AstraZeneca for the over-65s, and the pace of vaccination is expected to pick up. Still, as of Monday, France had used only 24 per cent of the 1.1m Oxford/AstraZeneca doses it had received, according to health ministry data.

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Re: Chaos in France

#297 Post by OFSO » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:09 pm

Copied from the Guardian: "There’s a joke doing the rounds in France: how do you get a Frenchman to have the Covid vaccine? Tell him he can’t have it.

My dentist – who is French – recounted this and found it hilarious. My doctor – who is not French – was not so amused. Like other GPs she has been trying, and not always succeeding, to persuade her patients to have the AstraZeneca jab. Yes, you read that right, trying to persuade.While Britons have been giving their right and left arms for a Covid-19 vaccine, here in still-sceptical France, people are actually turning it down. And not just the Anglo-Swedish AstraZeneca jab, though it hasn’t helped that after being given such an unjustified bad press, this is the one being delivered to GPs.

Disinformation, distrust and rumours that are downright bonkers have turned what should have been a fairly routine operation into an organisational nightmare. Doctors like mine who have been allocated just 10 doses of AstraZeneca a week – all of which have to be administered in a 48-hour time frame – are spending valuable time and energy trying to drum up just 10 willing patients.

The reasons for French vaccine scepticism have already been well documented: previous health scandals have sown doubts; the French distrust their politicians and Big Pharma and rail against being told what to do. President Macron’s ill-advised trashing of the AstraZeneca vaccine based on erroneous interpretation of the scientific data didn’t help.

Still, it is surprising to encounter such illogical, even unenlightened thinking in the country that produced both Louis Pasteur and René Descartes.

After a year of lockdowns, curfews, restaurant, bar, cinema, theatre, gym et al closures and the severe curtailing of freedoms, not to mention the general tanking of the economy, one would imagine the French rushing for the exit to the pandemic nightmare that vaccines offer.

And many of those refusing are those who have the most reason to get vaccinated: high-risk themselves or susceptible of passing the virus to other vulnerable people. Last week, to widespread astonishment, prime minister Jean Castex revealed that only 40% of the country’s health workers have been inoculated. He reminded the others they had a responsibility to “themselves, their families and those they care for” to remedy this tout de suite.

After Castex announced France would speed up inoculations last week, including at weekends, one colleague joked: “What is the country coming to?”, but at the current rate, the VaccineTracker website estimates it will take until 7 March 2023 to vaccinate the adult population.

And that is no joke.

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Re: Chaos in France

#298 Post by OFSO » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:11 pm

Deaths in France now over 100,000 (reported, that is) and increasing exponentially. Germany somewhat behind but catching up. Both countries have a large percentage of refusniks thanks to their leaders.

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Re: Chaos in France

#299 Post by OFSO » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:03 am

30,000 new cases in France yesterday. Five million vaccinated in total.

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#300 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:47 am

OFSO, is that the combined figure, 1st and 2nd, or are they being honest and only counting full dose of.

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