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Re: Chaos in Scotland.

#261 Post by Boac » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:15 pm

Bring back Salmond!

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#262 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:23 pm

Wow!

I think I am the first to see such a thing expressed on either TOP or this beloved spinoff.

Let thought begin!!

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#263 Post by Boac » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:32 pm

Hell hath no fury like a Salmond spurned?

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#264 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:49 pm

Boac wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:32 pm
Hell hath no fury like a Salmon spawned.

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#265 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:01 pm

G-CPTN wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:49 pm

Hell hath no fury like a Salmon spawned.

I've got one of those, gasping, on the carpet as result of me reading that one aloud.

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#266 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:33 pm

Salmonds' the real SNP.

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#267 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Aug 05, 2020 10:12 pm

Talking of Salmon, because Kielder Water was built across the headwaters of the North Tyne, the salmon cannot negotiate the 170ft high dam to reach their spawning grounds, so there is a hatchery which harvests eggs and milt from mature fish and grows them on until they are released (usually as parr, but some are released as fry into an 'upstream' nursery for subsequent capture and release as parr downstream of the reservoir together with hatchery parr).

The Hatchery is normally open to visitors (though currently still closed because of Covid19) and there is a lot of interesting and educational things to experience.
I usually attend the 'stripping' and fertilisation in the Autumn and the public activities usually start in April

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#268 Post by om15 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:26 pm

I read that Scots now have to leave their tartan utopia in order to get treatment on the English NHS because the mess that Sturgeon and her Trotski SNP have made of Scottish NHS means that they are unable to treat their own people, this of course will be the fault of the English Government in Westminster.
Even the most die hard SNP groupies must be wondering how they can get this incompetent and hopeless administration out of office.

Monica Lennon MSP, Scottish Labour health spokeswoman, said the situation was "really unfair" and called for the Scottish Government to cover the cost of treatment and travel for patients who have made the "very painful and difficult" journey.

Ms Lennon added: "It is really unfair that people living with chronic pain are having to make a very painful and difficult journey to England to receive the treatment they both need and are entitled to.
"In the immediate term, those patients who have had to do that should be reimbursed for their medical expenses and other travel and accommodation costs.

"We cannot leave those living with chronic pain behind as we reopen NHS services.

"It is time for the Scottish Government to get chronic pain services up and running again as soon as possible."

Miles Briggs MSP, Scottish Conservative shadow health secretary told Express.co.uk: “Workforce and estate planning are needed to protect the NHS from being overloaded."
"But to send tens of thousands of NHS patients away is a disgrace.

"Restricting the kind of healthcare offered is only storing up different problems in the short and long term for Scots.

"Unacceptable chronic pain waiting times have been a hallmark of the SNP's stewardship of the NHS for a long time.

“The SNP’s mismanagement of the health service continues to fail patients, families and staff."
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#269 Post by FD2 » Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:27 pm


Are there no sanctions or fines they can hit these football players with? Selfish oafs but without meaningful penalties they will just ignore 'rules'.
Sorry about the unintended puns.

Nicola Sturgeon is 'furious' as Aberdeen football players required to self-isolate after pub visit

The First Minister has also announced stronger mandatory rules in Aberdeen city.
By Rachel Mackie
Friday, 7th August 2020, 12:58 pm
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9 hours ago


Nicola Sturgeon says Aberdeen players "blatantly broke" the rules on coronavirus, describing their behaviour as "completely unacceptable"

The First Minister criticised the football team at her daily press conference after the news broke that eight players were instructed to self - isolate for two weeks following two positive tests.

Reports from the city claim that all eight of the players were out in a bar in Aberdeen on Saturday night after they lost to Rangers in their first competitive Scottish match since before lockdown.

Ms Sturgeon condemned the action, saying: “That was not responsible behaviour” and added: ““Footballers are role models...and they should behave accordingly.

“They blatantly broke the rules that had been agreed between the SFA, the SPFL, and the Scottish government, which – to put it mildly – is completely unacceptable.

“I am pretty furious about this situation - it shouldn’t have happened “

It was confirmed earlier that the match between Aberdeen FC and St Johnstone FC, scheduled for Saturday, will not go ahead.

Ms Sturgeon also announced that it will now mandatory for hospitality venues to take the details of customers to ensure that Test and Protect can “function effectively.”

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#270 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:36 pm

FD2 wrote:
Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:27 pm
“I am pretty furious about this situation "
=))

Whatacunt!

Typical Rangers supporter.

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#271 Post by FD2 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:06 am

In case there is any confusion, that was Stu'geon saying that.... ;)))

Shouldn't rely on people like footballers Nicola. They don't give a rat's a*se about anyone else - it's the modern way ye ken.

Typical Ayberdeen quine Poppy ;;) tells us fit it's like in lockdown:

https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-53683473

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#272 Post by om15 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:23 pm

The intelligentsia are out at the borders again,
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#273 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:39 pm

For once, I find myself in agreement with this forum's favourite creepy Undertaker.


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#274 Post by CharlieOneSix » Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:52 pm

This is the Soul Bar on Aberdeen's main drag, Union Street, that the footballers visited. It's a former church. Look at the mindless idiots outside queuing to get in. Social distancing - what's that?
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Yesterday we had a friend of Mrs C16 who lives in Aberdeen in tears on the phone. Her son - who'd had a kidney transplant - has been shielding at home in Stirling since March and he and his wife had planned to travel to Aberdeen this weekend for a visit as the friend hasn't seen him or her two year old grandson since December. Travel to the city is not permitted, so sad for them all.
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#275 Post by FD2 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:15 am

Posted without comment.



How Nicola Sturgeon has secretly massaged Scotland’s coronavirus record


Claims that the coronavirus rate in England is 'five times higher' than Scotland have been challenged by the UK statistics watchdog
By Daniel Sanderson, Scottish Correspondent 8 August 2020 • 12:46pm
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Whatever Nicola Sturgeon’s foot soldiers might claim, Scotland is certainly not ‘Covid free’ Credit: Reuters

Nicola Sturgeon spent much of July telling anyone who would listen that the prevalence of coronavirus in England was “five times” higher than in Scotland.

The figure was deployed to justify her refusal to rule out effectively closing the border by imposing quarantine on travellers from England, and her highly controversial move to set her a Scotland-only policy on air bridges, which airports warned put livelihoods at risk.

The day after she first made the claim, masked nationalists in hazmat suits descended on the border near Berwick-upon-Tweed, shouting abuse at English “plague carriers”.

Alongside their saltires and SNP flags (the First Minister refused to confirm whether her party took any disciplinary action against participants) the wording on their banner was instructive: ‘Keep Scotland Covid Free’.

Sturgeon’s “five times” claim later turned out to be as dodgy as the one painted by protesters onto a bedsheet.

In a rare intervention, the UK statistics watchdog rebuked the Scottish Government for its use of misleading figures, saying the “un-caveated” comparison should never have been made. How did Sturgeon respond?

A mea culpa at Holyrood, where she managed to make the claim three times in just one day, for misleading MSPs? A P45 for the official or, more likely, the SNP spad who provided the First Minister with unsound data?

Instead, she accused opposition politicians who dared challenge her on the episode of politicising the crisis. That day, she was named the world’s fifth most eloquent “world leader” alongside the likes of Jacinda Ahern (well done Telegraph kids!) of New Zealand and Germany’s Angela Merkel.

Judges praised her for her straight talking. Scottish unionists didn’t know whether to laugh or cry.

And of course, Scotland has not been “Covid free” since February. Early on, Ms Sturgeon took the decision to keep a major outbreak at a conference in Edinburgh from the Scottish public.

A kiltmaker who dressed delegates and a guide who took them on a walking tour across the city questioned why they were never spoken to by contact tracers and wondered whether they had unwittingly played a role in spreading the virus across the Scottish capital.

According to recently-published figures from the Office for National Statistics, Scotland had the third-highest rate of excess deaths in Europe by the end of May, behind only England and Spain. A write-up of the story in The National, a pro-independence daily newspaper dubbed by some as 'McPravda', informed readers that England had the worst excess deaths in Europe.

It merely noted that the ONS had also published figures for Scotland, but did not inform readers what these were.

In Scottish care homes, Covid-19 has been catastrophic. Almost half - 46 per cent - of Covid-19 deaths registered have come in care homes, compared to under 30 per cent in England and Wales. When confronted with the disparity, Ms Sturgeon simply claims the English figures, drawn up by the independent ONS, must be wrong.

Jamie Jenkins, a former head of health analysis at the ONS, said:

The main pitfall in comparing countries total Covid-19 deaths is that you are at the mercy of how each define and collect their own data. But to overcome this, focusing on excess deaths, which are the total number over the average, means you can remove such issues.

"You can do this and compare England and Scotland with the rest of Europe, as recently done by ONS. The data shows England has seen the highest excess deaths in Europe through the pandemic with Scotland worse than any other country with the exception of Spain."


It is true to say that coronavirus deaths in Scotland have fallen drastically over recent weeks, compared to England. But even here, the public may not quite be getting the full picture.

According to the daily figures cited at her briefings (Sturgeon has maintained her daily press conferences long after the UK Government ditched theirs, with opponents complaining they have become party political broadcasts) there have been no deaths in Scotland since July 16.

However, unlike in England where anyone who has tested positive and subsequently dies is counted as a Covid-19 death, whatever the cause, in Scotland it is only counted if death came within 28 days of their first positive Covid test.

National Records of Scotland (NRS) figures, which include all cases where coronavirus is mentioned on a death certificate, present an alternative, and more comprehensive, analysis. While these are also mentioned by Sturgeon at her briefings, these only come out once a week, and are presented alongside the more flattering statistics.

This week’s NRS figures, for example, showed that there were in fact 34 Covid deaths in Scotland over the four weeks to August 2, compared to the three recorded under Sturgeon’s more commonly cited measure.
Criticism of 'stay alert' message

Even on Sturgeon’s more “cautious” approach to easing lockdown, differences with England are not as pronounced as they might appear. She was scathing of the UK Government’s move away from the “stay at home” slogan, which was replaced with “stay alert”.

Sturgeon led a chorus of disapproval, saying “I don’t know what it means”, only to quietly ditch her own stay at home message a few weeks later in favour of the equally cryptic “stay safe”.

To uproar from businesses, she also initially refused to countenance changes to the two-metre rule until the virus was “virtually eliminated”, only to then announce “exceptions” that were remarkably similar to UK Government changes.

As one exasperated UK Government source put it: “We’ve been hammered for going for one metre plus. Then she announces two metres minus.”

Sceptics also question what role population density has had on differences in figures. Scotland has one of the lowest rates of people per square kilometre in Europe, while England has the third highest. The area covered by just one of Scotland’s 14 health boards - NHS Highland - is larger than Wales, yet it serves fewer people than live in the London borough of Ealing. Glasgow and its surrounding areas aside, Scotland simply does not have the urban concubations, where people inevitably mix in far closer proximity, that England has.

So whatever Sturgeon’s foot soldiers might claim, Scotland is certainly not ‘Covid free’. Opinion polls suggest that she has convinced Scots that she is making a better fist of tackling the virus that Boris Johnson (The First Minister recently recorded an approval rating of +60, while the Prime Minister was on -39, and even voters in England think she is doing a better job).

Devolved leaders of Wales and Northern Ireland, Mark Drakeford and Arlene Foster, would be justified in wondering where their plaudits are, given both have presided over better figures than Scotland’s.

Those who claim those impressive poll ratings are at least in part explained by Ms Sturgeon’s undisputed talent for communicating with voters, alongside her willingness to pick fights and stoke grievances with London while leaving the Treasury and Number 10 to worry about the economic recovery, might just have a point.

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#276 Post by Boac » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:58 am

The proposed changes in 'free speech' and 'offensive behaviour' will be interesting. Straight away those tartan radicals massing on the border proclaiming 'English stay out' will be guilty of racial harrassment as they will undoubtably cause 'offence' to we English.

If this goes ahead we must all register 'offence' at anything written or spoken from a Scottish source - that would include the SNP, of course. As you can see, it does not require actual 'offence' - just a claim of such. That should keep the plod busy. :))

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#277 Post by om15 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:13 am

boac, it is just more grandstanding to draw our attention away from the socialist mess that Scotland is becoming, high illiteracy, falling employment high taxes, poor NHS and police service, all the usual results of the aspiring lefties.

I read this morning that Boris Johnson is taking his two week summer holiday in Scotland, that should be interesting, he will be followed around by the predictable hordes of snot gobbling SNP low life, brandishing their home made banners and unintelligible complaining.

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#278 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:20 am

om15 wrote:
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snot gobbling SNP low life
Weegies, in a word.

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#279 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:27 am

om15 wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:13 am
the socialist mess that Scotland is becoming, high illiteracy, falling employment high taxes, poor NHS and police service
And roads whose condition are quite literally shocking. :ymtongue:

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#280 Post by Boac » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:02 am

om wrote:boac, it is just more grandstanding
Interesting that you do not see a problem with it - just 'grandstanding'.

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