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#981 Post by FD2 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:27 pm

The Daily McWhinge.

Fury as Scottish Green leader Patrick Harvie attacks Prince Philip in the Scottish Parliament over his love of 'bloodsports' as he compares pomp of Duke's death to Covid deaths 'announced without ceremony as daily statistics'

Patrick Harvie contrasted national mourning with that for Covid dead
Spoke at Holyrood in special session marking the duke's death on Friday
Said: 'There is no extreme of wealth, privilege or status which can protect us from mortality'


Aye - we're all doomed!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... woman.html

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#982 Post by AtomKraft » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:03 pm

Scotland has gone bananas.

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#983 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:10 pm

Yes, We have no bananas. We have no bananas today.

Wossisname, the jumpy frog guy, knows a song about that.

He'll be alongside too, soon.

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#984 Post by om15 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:08 pm

Members of the new Labia party attempting to arrange themselves.

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#985 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:11 pm

LABIA?

Petals?

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#986 Post by Magnus » Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:35 am

I see that La Krankie will demand (not request) the powers for a referendum by 2023. BoJo must be quaking in his boots.

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#987 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:49 pm

It should be a non binding referendum for the whole of the UK. I think, like Cameron, they would not get the result they want. Even wee Jimmy might be disappointed if she got near unanimous support.

Would the EU want another needy supplicant?

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#988 Post by Magnus » Sun Apr 18, 2021 11:07 am

A standalone Scotland meets virtually none of the criteria for EU membership, and if admitted would end up in the same category as the PIIGS countries.

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#989 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:12 pm

Who would pay £600 for tickets to Murrayfield?

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#990 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:50 pm

Magnus wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:35 am
I see that La Krankie will demand (not request) the powers for a referendum by 2023. BoJo must be quaking in his boots.


Unless authorised democratically under Section 30 of the Scotland Act, such a "referendum" would be no such thing. It would be nothing more than an opinion poll.

The United Kingdom was created, by Scotsmen, as a permanent entity in two different phases. It was never intended to be a temporary structure.

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#991 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:53 pm

No suggestions for Murrayfield?
Answer, someone who wasn't given them as a gift.

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#992 Post by Magnus » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:33 pm

Indeed, UP. Opportunity of a lifetime? Well, yes, if you accept under a decade as life expectancy in Scotland which, given the Nat's stewardship of NHS Scotland, might be about right. A plague upon the lot of 'em.

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#993 Post by Ibbie » Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:37 am

The little Krankie one has been on Radio 4's Today, talking the usual utter nonsense.

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#994 Post by CharlieOneSix » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:10 pm

This from Public Health Scotland today about Covid-19 data during the pre-election period:
Given how the pandemic has evolved, and the need to provide relevant and timely statistics relating to it, there may be a need to publish new statistics (e.g. relating to testing or vaccination) during the pre-election period that have not been pre-announced. In this circumstance, the Head of Profession for Statistics in Public Health Scotland will make the decision about Public Health Scotland releasing un-preannounced COVID-19 statistics and the Chief Statistician at the Scottish Government will make a decision for the Scottish Government to release un-preannounced COVID-19 statistics.
So that's quite clear then! WTF are un-preannounced statistics? Was this written by Sir Humphrey or maybe Donald Rumsfeld:
There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns. That is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, the ones we don't know we don't know.
So where do un-preannounced statistics come into this - are they things Public Health Scotland and the Scottish Government know they know, yet at that point they are unknown unknowns to the general public....which when preannounced become known knowns to all. However they may still be withholding information and we may get further un-preannounced announcements but we don't know we don't know if that is the case......I think :-? . I'm confused as to when a un-preannounced announcement becomes an announcement. :-\

Isn't a pre-announced announcement a leak but an un-preannounced announcement can't be a leak until it becomes a preannounced announcement?
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#995 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:30 pm

Now here's a thought
The Stirling MP said a separate Scotland could informally keep using the pound for an interim period before signing up to the euro at a later date, or set up a new currency if that was rejected in the referendum.
The Jock pound floating against the Sterling. It can be difficult already passing Jockistan notes in God's country.

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#996 Post by Woody » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:38 pm

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/scottish ... r-14445031

I’ve refused to accept them in my change :ymdevil:
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#997 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Apr 30, 2021 6:17 pm

To my surprise, Channel Islands Bank notes are readily accepted, so too are Gibraltar notes.

Back in the 1950s Irish coinage was in circulation in Birkenhead and Liverpool. Dutch Florins were interchangeable with English and Dutch 10c silver coins for English 3d silver coins.

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#998 Post by Undried Plum » Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:42 pm

Pontius Navigator wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:30 pm
Now here's a thought
The Stirling MP said a separate Scotland could informally keep using the pound for an interim period before signing up to the euro at a later date, or set up a new currency if that was rejected in the referendum.
The Jock pound floating against the Sterling. It can be difficult already passing Jockistan notes in God's country.
An isolated Scotland using a foreign currency as its own is totally absurd. There would be no central bank and no bank of last resort. The BoE and the Treasury have both emphatically declared that the BoE would not take on the responsibility for being that bank.

It would become totally impossible for any bank based in Scotland to operate. It is a legal requirement that a bank balance its account before the end of the business day. It's very common for a bank to find that it's a few million quid short. They go the BoE for an overnight loan so that they remain solvent and are able to open their doors on the next business day. Without such a lender of last resort, it would be completely impossible for any bank to operate in an amputated Scotland.

Anyway, such an isolated user of a foreign currency would have absolutely no say in how the currency is run.

I think it was the patriarch of the Rothschild family who said something to the effect of: "Give me control of a nation's currency and I care not who writes that nation's laws".

And yet, the separatists still call it "independence"!

If they were to set up a Scots Poond and try to maintain parity with Sterling, it would be a matter of days before some Soros-like money market trader placed huge bets on the Poond being shorted and that the Scots gumment would run out of reserves and of creditors to keep the damned thing afloat.

I doubt very much that Brussels or Berlin would allow Edinburgh to join the Euro without joining the EU first. I can't see how Scotland could ever meet the 3% deficit limit. It's currently 8.9% and rising, fast. Then there's the Spanish veto. They must keep an eye on the revolting Catalans who would go nuts if a breakaway statelet were treated differently from themselves.

On the matter of hard border or soft border, I think it's been vastly overblown. It's really not such a big deal in the real world.

The Norway/Sweden border is one example. One side is in the EU, the other side out. Most of the rural border crossings are nothing more than a sign that says Norge on one side and Sverige on the other. The only way you can tell which side of the line you're on is that the road markings are yellow on one side and white on the other.

Another example of an imperceptible EU/non-EU border is the perimeter of the City of London which was never in the EU or the EEC. It wasn't allowed to apply to join because it's not a democracy. It's a corporatocracy which is governed by the Corporation of London which is run by Corporately nominated delegates of the companies and livery guilds of the City. Most Londoners were completely unaware that when going into or out of the City they were crossing an EU border.

Then there's Switzerland. It's border with several EU states is little more than a roadsign. The Channel Islands are another example. No big deal.

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#999 Post by FD2 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 10:14 pm

I watched a little of an interview that Stu'geon did with Andrew Marr. She was asked why she was not going to put together a summary of the real costs of independence, such as possibility of a hard border with Scotland's biggest export market, Scottish national debt, currency issues etc. She did her usual trick of babbling for several minutes so that she could talk over any follow up question whilst appearing to be giving a serious lengthy answer to the first, thus hopefully putting the interviewer off his/her stride before the follow up. She claimed that it would surely be putting the cart before the horse in the coming election and that these matters would be presented to her subjects before a referendum. As usual Marr conceded and moved on but it strikes me that the SNP might not get quite so many votes as their 63% lead would suggest if the public knew now what supporting the SNP might lead to.

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#1000 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat May 01, 2021 7:03 am

Aye, they had a go with devolution and look how successful that is.

Then that continual elephant in the room - Defence. They might claim all the Scottish regiments including the Guards but how many are Scots?

There were Scots in the RAF stations but many more English. I remember in the 70s several senior officers refused promotion to take command at Lossiemouth.

Buchan was not a desirable posting for the English either.

When the F3 force decamped to Leuchars the simulator remained at Coningsby as the civilian instructors stayed put.

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