Chaos ( hopefully ) in London and the South East.

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#21 Post by ian16th » Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:47 pm

Never ferried Lightnings, just Javelins.

Javelins arrived at the end of each stage 1st, as they motored on after the last refuelling.

Then the Valiants landed.

Then last, we ground crew in a Britannia, and we had to start work when we landed!
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#22 Post by Boac » Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:53 pm

UM......? A bit lost, I think, Ian :))

Back to thread:

Which Melanie will we get in the UK? The 'real Melanie Trump' (cannot stand him touching me) or the '@paid to enjoy it' one?

Whichever, it will all be too much for Phil.

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#23 Post by ian16th » Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:44 pm

Sorry, wrong thread #-o

Should have been on the "Russians step up the 'probing' flights" thread.
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#24 Post by Capetonian » Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:25 pm

I was pleased to see that Trump's visit to the UK received some support on Question Time last night.

If it fits my travel plans (when is it?) I might put in an appearance just to show my contempt for those who are demonstrating against his official visit.

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#25 Post by Krystal n Chips » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:21 pm

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Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:25 pm
I was pleased to see that Trump's visit to the UK received some support on Question Time last night.

If it fits my travel plans (when is it?) I might put in an appearance just to show my contempt for those who are demonstrating against his official visit.
Well lets assume your travel plans get you to your destination in the first place. If so, how about we meet and join in the demo together ?..I'll be carrying a copy of the Guardian under my left arm so will be easy to spot in the crowd.

Now, you seem a shade confused about the date, albeit said date has been public knowledge for some time now.....no matter. As always, one helps those in need. The link also mentions your favourite, well to be fair, lots of the chaps and chums on here and TOP absolute fave politician ......have a guess who this may be...... and let me know about meeting on the day......sadly, you'll have to bring your own sarnies because one isn't paying the rip off London prices under any circumstances !....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48070983

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#26 Post by Boac » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:01 pm

K&C- I declare publicly that, in my opinion, Jeremy has just done the first correct thing - there may yet be hope.

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#27 Post by BenThere » Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:23 pm

If it fits my travel plans (when is it?) I might put in an appearance just to show my contempt for those who are demonstrating against his official visit.

You're a stalwart Capetonian, regardless of where you were born.

One disadvantage UK Trump supporters have is that they have jobs and can't drop everything to go out and show their colors. The left, on the other hand, either don't have jobs, are feeding on benefits, or they have jobs in offices that allow them time off to protest President Trump's visit.

I am ambiguous to the inevitable UK protests to President Trump's state visit. Shortly after President Reagan affirmed and extended the deployment of Pershing missiles to Europe in the early 1980s to counter Russia, millions poured into the streets to protest. Reagan won the 1984 election in an unprecedented landslide, carrying 49 of 50 states.

I remember, too, when Europe's establishment journalists railed against incumbent GW Bush. Bush won that election, too.

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#28 Post by om15 » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:21 pm

I should imagine that Mr Trump will be relived at the news Corbyn is snubbing the Queen's invitation, little in life is so disagreeable as the sight of a Trot tucking in to free foie gras.

It does indicate the level of statesmanship held by this miserable Marxist that he imagines being deliberately rude to the President of the United States is in the best interests of Great Britain, Odious Bercow is likewise staying away, both of them delight in the publicity, still more oysters for those that are honoured to dine with the Queen.

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#29 Post by BenThere » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:42 pm

The singular trait that characterizes the Left is its general lack of grace.

When heads of states make state visits, decorum dictates they are received with respect, especially if they are allies. Political quibbles should be set aside. If the hosting state can't pull off the customary courtesies, it shouldn't extend the invitation.

Protests inevitably erupt when potentates arrive, and in free countries they should not be suppressed. But the hosting state has the obligation to provide security, extend respect, be a good host, and engage freely in discussions unaffected by the politics being played outside the gates of the palace.

That's the way I see it, but I recognize the Left is crude, and doesn't do diplomacy.

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#30 Post by Krystal n Chips » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:08 am

BenThere wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 7:23 pm
If it fits my travel plans (when is it?) I might put in an appearance just to show my contempt for those who are demonstrating against his official visit.

You're a stalwart Capetonian, regardless of where you were born.

One disadvantage UK Trump supporters have is that they have jobs and can't drop everything to go out and show their colors. The left, on the other hand, either don't have jobs, are feeding on benefits, or they have jobs in offices that allow them time off to protest President Trump's visit.

I am ambiguous to the inevitable UK protests to President Trump's state visit. Shortly after President Reagan affirmed and extended the deployment of Pershing missiles to Europe in the early 1980s to counter Russia, millions poured into the streets to protest. Reagan won the 1984 election in an unprecedented landslide, carrying 49 of 50 states.

I remember, too, when Europe's establishment journalists railed against incumbent GW Bush. Bush won that election, too.
That's a fascinating analysis regarding the protestors demographic so it would be interesting to learn your source(s) for this sweeping generalisation please.

You may also be aghast to learn, that, people with left wing political allegiances also work for a living....work isn't the exclusive province of the right wing, although there are those who have never actually done any form in their lives thanks to the family lineage.

Back to the unwanted and unwelcome visitor to the UK.

If he had just been confined to London, whilst that would have been repugnant enough, then at least other locations would have been spared the upheaval that ensues.

The D-day commemorations were planned as being apolitical and pan nationalities. The significance of the event being pivotal to the resurgence of Europe thereafter. Justifiably, Germany will be represented because every nation honours those who were killed. A military cemetery anywhere in the world is a tranquil testimony to the futility of war and it's only fitting those who are interred there are respected accordingly. As an aside, there's a German cemetery on Cannock Chase, small, but very sobering to visit. Germans come every year, and are welcomed, to honour those who rest there.

I digress slightly, but make no apologies for doing so.

The event was intended to allow the public easy access to view the proceedings. Through no fault of their own, the organisers now find themselves in the unenviable and unwarranted position of the significantly enhanced security that results ......and thus far, nobody has actually said who is paying for this. A minor detail when local authorities across the UK have been subjected to draconian cuts in funding thanks to the current Gov't policies.

The moment his attendance was announced, at a stroke the whole ethos of this event was negated because the focus will be on the monstrous ego and vanity of the most toxic brand in history.....himself.

I attended the demonstration last year and I will be attending again, in London.

To qualify my own, and others who attend, reason for doing so. it's a matter of principle. I objected to Blair's excursion hand in hand with Bush as well.

Have a read of this link please, and then, feel free to attempt to justify his unwelcome presence.....

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/donald-trum ... ortsmouth/

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#31 Post by Boac » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:02 am

You never know, it might rain. He cannot risk washing out the colouring.

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#32 Post by om15 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:17 pm

I can understand that protesters might wish to exercise their right to display their disappointment at the policies followed by Mr Trump, as remarked on by Ben the large majority of them are just serial protesters that society has to tolerate, not to be considered as of any consequence.

In the case of Corbyn, who is happy to sit down for tea with the IRA, Hezbollah, Hamas and any other sworn enemy of western culture, as Leader of the Opposition he has a duty to represent himself and extend a welcome to the President of the United States. The American people decide who they wish to be President, they have chosen Mr Trump and that is an end of it.

Odious Bercow and Gyppo Corbyn demonstrate exactly what is wrong with our politicians, instead of just getting on and doing their duty they are showing off and grandstanding to gain the admiration of their simple minded and vacuous groupies.

Many of our problems would be eliminated by a new type of practical and dutiful politicians, ideally lead by Nigel with the support and advice of highly successful statesmen such as Mr Trump, can't wait for this to happen.

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#33 Post by Capetonian » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:26 pm

I agree. Trump has every right to visit the UK as a major head of state elected by the correct (if somewhat illogical) process in his country.

He merits respect and should be made as welcome as any other. As for Corbin and the scum he mixes with, they are enemies, not friends, of the UK and should be shunned.

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#34 Post by Krystal n Chips » Wed May 01, 2019 6:01 am

Capetonian wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:26 pm
I agree. Trump has every right to visit the UK as a major head of state elected by the correct (if somewhat illogical) process in his country.

He merits respect and should be made as welcome as any other. As for Corbin and the scum he mixes with, they are enemies, not friends, of the UK and should be shunned.
Can we assume this latest piece of news won't entirely meet with your approval then ?.......personally, I'm all in favour of denying him the opportunity to speak.

However, the denial of him having the opportunity of opening his putrescent gob does indeed accord him the respect he deserves.....as I'm sure you will wholeheartedly agree.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... sit-bercow

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#35 Post by om15 » Wed May 01, 2019 7:39 am

personally, I'm all in favour of denying him the opportunity to speak.
Thus proving that suppression of free speech is the cornerstone of miserable oppressive Trot philosophy, scared you might hear something that contradicts your little red book.

Winds of change are coming, Gyppo Corbyn and his clique of useless freeloaders are about to be flushed down the pan, you ought to listen to Mr Trump, you might learn something.

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#36 Post by Capetonian » Wed May 01, 2019 8:29 am

it is one of the hallmarks of all brands of socialism and left-wing thinking that they absolutely refuse to consider the merits of other points of view.

They can only trot out the the same old drivel by quoting from sources such as the Guardian, and are incapable of any free or original thoughts.

P.S. 'thinking' is of course the wrong word, it's simply repetition of dogma.

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#37 Post by Krystal n Chips » Wed May 01, 2019 9:30 am

om15 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:39 am
personally, I'm all in favour of denying him the opportunity to speak.
Thus proving that suppression of free speech is the cornerstone of miserable oppressive Trot philosophy, scared you might hear something that contradicts your little red book.

Winds of change are coming, Gyppo Corbyn and his clique of useless freeloaders are about to be flushed down the pan, you ought to listen to Mr Trump, you might learn something.
Very thoughtful of you to mention "free speech " and Trump in the same sentence. This wouldn't be the same Trump who routinely castigates the media for publishing "fake news " when they criticise or condemn his policies....and personality...by any chance ?

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#38 Post by k3k3 » Wed May 01, 2019 9:40 am

..and you would emulate him?

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#39 Post by Nick Riviera » Wed May 01, 2019 11:56 am

Krystal n Chips wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 9:30 am
om15 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:39 am
personally, I'm all in favour of denying him the opportunity to speak.
Thus proving that suppression of free speech is the cornerstone of miserable oppressive Trot philosophy, scared you might hear something that contradicts your little red book.

Winds of change are coming, Gyppo Corbyn and his clique of useless freeloaders are about to be flushed down the pan, you ought to listen to Mr Trump, you might learn something.
Very thoughtful of you to mention "free speech " and Trump in the same sentence. This wouldn't be the same Trump who routinely castigates the media for publishing "fake news " when they criticise or condemn his policies....and personality...by any chance ?
Once again our resident Marxist is out of his depth when it comes to matters cerebral. You wish to deny Trump the opportunity to speak. Trump comments on the free speech of others that he doesn't agree with. He does not deny them the chance to use that free speech. In your desperate attempt to cover your totalitarian tendencies you promote an example which is totally different from the subject. We can excuse your normal lack of intelligence but the gagging call really does show you for what you are.

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#40 Post by Krystal n Chips » Wed May 01, 2019 1:50 pm

Nick Riviera wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 11:56 am
Krystal n Chips wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 9:30 am
om15 wrote:
Wed May 01, 2019 7:39 am


Thus proving that suppression of free speech is the cornerstone of miserable oppressive Trot philosophy, scared you might hear something that contradicts your little red book.

Winds of change are coming, Gyppo Corbyn and his clique of useless freeloaders are about to be flushed down the pan, you ought to listen to Mr Trump, you might learn something.
Very thoughtful of you to mention "free speech " and Trump in the same sentence. This wouldn't be the same Trump who routinely castigates the media for publishing "fake news " when they criticise or condemn his policies....and personality...by any chance ?
Once again our resident Marxist is out of his depth when it comes to matters cerebral. You wish to deny Trump the opportunity to speak. Trump comments on the free speech of others that he doesn't agree with. He does not deny them the chance to use that free speech. In your desperate attempt to cover your totalitarian tendencies you promote an example which is totally different from the subject. We can excuse your normal lack of intelligence but the gagging call really does show you for what you are.
Nick ! a somewhat late joiner to this thread, but, no matter because, as always, as a Guardian reader, it's always gratifying to see those in our society endeavouring to overcome the trauma induced by, and failings ( so sadly apparent as I've mentioned before) in your local Education Authority. Nick, you are sitting on dynamite here !..trust me when the facts emerge in the court case when you sue them for not providing even a basic education, your bank balance will swell even more than Trumps ego !..which takes a bit of doing. But, at least only one "Marxist " in your latest laser like critique


Anyway, let us not lavish too much praise on you Nick less it distracts from the ethos of this thread.

You may be disturbed to learn that, if it were just down to me and every other protestor, we would deny him access to the UK which in itself would negate him speaking when over here. However, you have used the term "gagging order "....now, as I've obviously missed this declaration could you post a link please showing me, and everybody else in fact, where this "gagging order " was promulgated ( one remembers that word from the inane terms used in the RAF ) and who signed it....please ?

In the interim, I suggest you and other selfless advocates of "free speech " take a look at his reaction to those who provide such.....for thicko's like me you understand ....

https://cpj.org/blog/2019/01/trump-twit ... people.php

PS..feel free to phone a friend as they say, even you must have some Nick, if the article is too complex for you....

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