Chaos in the UK

[BenThere]

The love of money, grumpy behaviour and general bloody-mindedness are traits that tend not to lead to popularity....

So why haven't any of the other groups with the same tendencies received the level of hatred leveled against Israel and the Jews? The fact is, per capita, Jews have made by far the greatest contributions to humanity (my opinion).

I've known and been around American Jews all my life - worked with them, befriended them, played poker with them (dangerous), and I value my Jewish friends and the general Jewish culture. They tend to raise smart kids, run good families, and benefit their larger communities.

I've ached over the Holocaust and the cruelty done to Jews, particularly by Christians who should have known better. And it's been going on for countless centuries. Jews, being locked out of trades, crafts and some professions had to band together and support each other which may have contributed to the clannishness we perceive. They had to become bankers, jewelers, physicians and scientists.

One more anecdote:

My Jewish neighbor my age in high school and i became friends when I first moved into the neighborhood. We both loved the math and odds/probability of poker and played hours of two person cards. He introduced me to his Jewish poker partners from the local synagogue and invited me to play with them. I was the only Goyim at the table, usually six or seven guys.

For a while I'd play at one of their houses almost every Sunday afternoon. During that time the Six Day War erupted and I got to listen to their take on it. In 1967 their families all had ties to the Holocaust and my friends were the children and relatives of those who suffered. A few had no grandparents because they were lost to the Nazis. That's probably when I took on a pro-Israeli and pro-Jewish point of view. Those guys were great friends and unique and interesting people. They had the best jokes and it dawned on me later that so many of the best comedians in the post-WWII era were Jewish. That was another profession open to them.

[Pontius Navigator]

Ben,

And it's been going on for countless centuries. Jews, being locked out of trades, crafts and some professions had to band together and support each other which may have contributed to the clannishness we perceive. They had to become bankers, jewelers, physicians and scientists.

And I think the exclusion and subsequent clannishness created a support organization that enabled the whole to prosper. That prosperity then fostered the jealousy and so on.

[BenThere]

That prosperity then fostered the jealousy and so on.

The jealousy is a large part of it. How good such a small tribe accumulate such wealth when they were excluded from many of the accesses to it?

A corollary is today's Socialist mantra that the wealthy of the world are getting richer while the bottom half is stagnant. My answer is that's the way it works. For the most part the extremely wealthy built a better mouse trap and the world beat a path to their door. The lesser wealthy took advantage of education, developed skills, saved, invested and accumulated - that would be me. The middle class worked, budgeted, set aside for that rainy day and ultimately lived a pretty good life.

Today opportunity abounds, at least in America. Companies who need talented workers are willing to hire and train into solid jobs. The caveat is to stay away from drugs and crime, and at least focus enough to get through high school, which means learn to read and carry on a conversation.

[AtomKraft]

I'm not sure if it's rooted in jealousy.
When I used to work out of London City, we flew many Jews between there and Zurich. Their obnoxious behaviour won them no friends, and they were particularly unpopular with the cabin crew. I don't think anyone was jealous of them. They were horrid.

As Arabs, albeit in denial, they are a subset of another unpleasant group.

I just continue to be amazed at the lack of even a trace of introspection. If I was a member of a group that had suffered 10% of the persecution that these guys have endured, I'd be taking a long hard look at myself.

During the centuries it's been happening, the Jews have been persecuted by a wide variety of persecutors. It's hard to avoid the conclusion that it's something about them, not the ones doing the persecuting that's at the bottom of it.

I should point out, as we all have to these days, that I'm no supporter of the dreadful ***** that's been heaped on the Jews, particularly by the Nazis, but frankly, I personally can't stand the blighters, and some of my closest friends who've had to work for them have reached the same conclusion. I don't mean they were employed by them, just that while performing their duties, they had to deal with them.

Unpleasant, grasping people with definitely much too much love of money.

Anti-Semitism is going to be with us until these guys change their ways, and I don't expect that to be soon.

[Slasher]

Unpleasant, grasping people with definitely much too much love of money.

True...and in so being they make brilliant stock and investment advisors. I have one bloke in HKG. Only thing is I have to keep an eye out in case the bugger tries to shaft me (but he never has during the past 15 years).

[Capetonian]

When I used to work out of London City, we flew many Jews between there and Zurich. Their obnoxious behaviour won them no friends, and they were particularly unpopular with the cabin crew. I don't think anyone was jealous of them. They were horrid.

This sentiment is general amongst airline staff who have dealt with the religious Jews, the chaps with the long coats and the whiskers and the blue shawls (Hasidic and I think Ashkenazy). They are vile.
When I had to deal with people at the ticket counters of a couple of airlines, they were the rudest, most demanding, arrogant, and charmless of any other ethnic group. Their behaviour on board made them many enemies too.

[Pontius Navigator]

Cape, our local prep school was taken over by Hasidic Jews during the summer. The local doctor enjoyed the extra money from private disinfection treatment. The school lost money as disinfection cost them more than fees.

[barkingmad]

Anyone in UK tonight 18/07/2019 can enjoy the spectre of male genital mutilation, practised by this group and their sworn enemies out in the sandpit, by watching BBC1 @ 2235 BST.

Frankly I'm surprised their lawyers are allowing transmission but hey ho, gotta pretend to be all-encompassing and multi diverse blah blah.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... -epidemic/

Total number of crimes up 8%

Percentage of crimes resulting in a charge/summons down from 9.1% to 7.8%

Full stats here:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... gmarch2019

And as to the under-reporting of crime, a 2014 report stated:
(There is nothing more recent I can find, but the Office Of National Statistics last year still regards Police Crime stats as not meeting its quality standards and refuses to use them)

1.19 Before doing so, it is appropriate to remind readers that the only
statistically significant figures in this inspection are those which will be
published in our final report in October 2014. However, we can – and do
– report on the cases which we have examined.
1.20 We are seriously concerned at the picture which is emerging. It is one of
weak or absent management and supervision of crime-recording,
significant under-recording of crime, and serious sexual offences not
being recorded (14 rapes). Some offenders have been issued with out-ofcourt disposals when their offending history could not justify it, and in
some cases they should have been prosecuted.
1.21 If the findings for the first set of forces are representative across all
forces and all crime types, this implies that 20 percent of crimes may be
going unrecorded. Some forces have of course performed better than
others. The figures for the forces inspected so far are given in the table at
paragraph 6.19.
1.22 The reasons for these failures will sometimes be a combination of
factors, and sometimes one or two. In some cases, it is simply poor
knowledge of the rules and inadequate or absent training in their content
and application. In others, poor supervision or management of police
officers will be responsible. Pressure of workload, where police officers
have been managed in such a way as to overload them with cases, is
also a likely factor.
16
1.23 An inspection of this nature is not a criminal investigation5
. We cannot
establish in every case what were the motives – if any – of a police
officer who has wrongly failed to record a crime. However, in the light of
what we have so far found – which could conceptually be contradicted by
later results – it is difficult to conclude that none of these failures was the
result of discreditable or unethical behaviour. The failure rate is too high.
What is not possible is any measurement of this factor; that is beyond the
scope of this work.

Full report here
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk ... report.pdf

[BenThere]

I flew airline flights for decades, very often to New York and to from Detroit where a few traditional Hasidic Jews were on almost every flight. In all that time I never, ever, heard a negative comment on them from flight attendants, and I never had any sort of incident or conflict on any flight with them.

[barkingmad]

BenThere, you and your CC were lucky.

For the 26 years I was in civilian flying, from day one til the day I left, the adverse reports on their dealings with checkin staff, CC and finally other pax were many and legion.

And this included the parents travelling first class with the rugrats back in steerage resulting in frequent and noisy invasions of the premium cabin by said rugrats and much discomfiture (not a jam!) suffered by the other passengers in that section.

[Pontius Navigator]

I flew airline flights for decades, very often to New York and to from Detroit where a few traditional Hasidic Jews were on almost every flight. In all that time I never, ever, heard a negative comment on them from flight attendants, and I never had any sort of incident or conflict on any flight with them.

Unless you were an FA, I would attribute that tivtge discretion of the FAs.

[G-CPTN]

I flew airline flights for decades, very often to New York and to from Detroit where a few traditional Hasidic Jews were on almost every flight. In all that time I never, ever, heard a negative comment on them from flight attendants, and I never had any sort of incident or conflict on any flight with them.

Unless you were an FA, I would attribute that tivtge (to the) discretion of the FAs.

Aw c'mon - if crew had pax that were a 'PITA' they would talk about it, Shirley?

[Capetonian]

At the ticket/check in counters I ran, when a Hassidic Jew, or worse, a group, hove into sight, the staff would all duck out the back or go on urgent loo breaks, leaving the most junior and naive, or the slowest, member of staff to deal with them. Awful bloody people.

[Bob]

BenThere, you and your CC were lucky.

BM, Ben Is not Lucky just very very pro - Judaism, the selective memory that grows with old age just adds to the Bias of course.
The general reports of Orthodox Jews behaviour when encountering those of different viewpoints is widely reported as akward at best and often hostile, Its not exactly a secret

Oh and P.S. this falls in line with the behaviour of other extremist zealots in other religons (have to add that, before the feeble minded start shouting all sorts of garbage about anti-semitism)

[BenThere]

A key point, though, Bob, is that even if some Jews can be cantankerous or even obnoxious at times, you don't often read about them setting off bombs in public squares, killing scores of innocents, or shooting up nightclubs, again killing scores, not to mention flying airliners into skyscrapers, killing thousands of human beings.

I think you need a new enemy, Bob.

[Pontius Navigator]

I flew airline flights for decades, very often to New York and to from Detroit where a few traditional Hasidic Jews were on almost every flight. In all that time I never, ever, heard a negative comment on them from flight attendants, and I never had any sort of incident or conflict on any flight with them.

Unless you were an FA, I would attribute that tivtge (to the) discretion of the FAs.

Aw c'mon - if crew had pax that were a 'PITA' they would talk about it, Shirley?

CPTN, I agree but you missed my point - they would not talk about it in front of the SLF. They would keep their opinions behind the curtains.

Another thought is they might not know the religious sensibilities of their fellow FA.

[Bob]

A key point, though, Bob, is that even if some Jews can be cantankerous or even obnoxious at times, you don't often read about them setting off bombs in public squares, killing scores of innocents, or shooting up nightclubs, again killing scores, not to mention flying airliners into skyscrapers, killing thousands of human beings.

I think you need a new enemy, Bob.

A valid point, though I do take issue with one part...."killing scores of innocents", , Look up the figures for Muslim Palastinian deaths V Jewish Israelis
Intent and indeed pretending its all retaliation is one thing, but ultimately actions speak louder than words, the largely Jewish state of Israel is a Bully country.

[AtomKraft]

In the case of the Jews, they are so determined not to be the victims (again....) that they've become the new Nazis.

Anyway, my views are formed of my own experience, and if I have a bunch of positive experiences in the future, I'll revise them.

What ticks me off is effectively being forced to keep my soundly formed views to myself, because the Jews don't like being criticised.

I don't like them, and if that's anti Semitic, I don't care.

What I DO care about is that millions of people are effectively cowed into silence, to avoid offending the offensive!

[Woody]

A key point, though, Bob, is that even if some Jews can be cantankerous or even obnoxious at times, you don't often read about them setting off bombs in public squares, killing scores of innocents, or shooting up nightclubs, again killing scores, not to mention flying airliners into skyscrapers, killing thousands of human beings.

The King David hotel in Jerusalem must have escaped your attention then.