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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#101 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:18 pm

I used to know someone who worked with this kind of intelligence. The threat is very rarely able to be narrowed to one entity by name, but there is sometimes enough to narrow it to a date, a place, or a nationality to be attacked, and the threat may be further narrowed by deductive logic. Quite often, the point in the process that the threat is discovered allows a narrowish band of dates to be identified, based on previous cases. If, for example, a bomb was reported to be being assembled, then because the terrorists tend to do this only very close in time and place to use, it allows the time and place to be guessed at quite accurately. If intelligence obtained in London reported a small bomb was being assembled in Cairo, and only BA flies London-Cairo, then that would be deemed a good reason to alert BA. There are not that many terrorist bomb-makers, and they certainly used to specialise in certain types of bombs (that's in the public domain), so that could be an indicator also.

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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#102 Post by Woody » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:24 pm

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:02 pm
BA suspends flights to Cairo for 7 days - unsafe. Sounds like there's a airline bombing or hijacking threat.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/0 ... -concerns/
BA say they are still assessing the threat.
Lufthansa also cancelled their CAI flights today, but are planning to fly tomorrow.
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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#103 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:29 pm

Interesting, thanks.
Looks like option (2) then.

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#104 Post by admin » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:38 pm

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#105 Post by John Hill » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:01 am

Is Australia involved in this? If so, how?
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#106 Post by Fliegenmong » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:24 am

We (Aust.) are probably involved...how?....However the US tell us we're involved.
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#107 Post by Sisemen » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:40 am

I believe that Australia has one known naval asset in the area on rotation.

Afghanistan and Middle East Maritime Security
Operation SLIPPER is Australia's military contribution to the international campaign against terrorism, maritime security in the Middle East Area of Operations and countering piracy in the Gulf of Aden. Around 1550 ADF personnel are based within Afghanistan as part of Operation SLIPPER, while about 830 personnel are deployed across the broader Middle East Area of Operations.
Australia has maintained a continuous maritime contribution to Operation SLIPPER, which currently consists of the ANZAC Class Frigate HMAS Toowoomba.

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#108 Post by John Hill » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:07 am

Thanks.
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#109 Post by Sisemen » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:10 am

New Zealand also has a P3 Orion operating in the area for some time this year following NZs last involvement in the area in 2008.

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#110 Post by Sisemen » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:15 am

Bet the UK wishes it hadn't given up its Gulf presence at Muharraq, Sharjah, Salalah, and Masirah now.

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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#111 Post by Boac » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:21 am

Does anyone know the frequency of sailing of the tankers of a particular country (eg UK) through the Straits that would prevent, if necessary, timing of passages so that a RN ship (yes, I know...) could 'accompany'? Alternative would be a small armed group of, say Marines, embarked for each 'crucial' bit of the passage.

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#112 Post by Sisemen » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:12 am

Or a convoy system - heavily protected?

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#113 Post by barkingmad » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:31 am

Over in Military Ops, Ministry of Peace & Truth, posting # 5 refers m’lud ? ?

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#114 Post by 4mastacker » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:36 am

'Q' ships fitted with something like this??



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#115 Post by Slasher » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:45 am

4mastacker wrote:
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That could seriously ruin somebody's day.
True, but 50 cal would be more fun.

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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#116 Post by ian16th » Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:18 am

How many many Brimstone's can a Typhoon carry?
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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#117 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:41 am

18 maximum; triple carriers on 6 stations.
So a pair of jets should be able to take out an entire gaggle of Republican Guard attack boats, and the mothership and its helicopters, and the fighter top cover, if it comes to it.

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#118 Post by Boac » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:50 am

'Q-ships' 4mast??!! We hardly have enough ORDINARY ships!

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#119 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:13 pm

Guess how long it would take to get a 'Q' ship bid for, designed, built, tested,and approved?
Even assuming you could find people to crew it.
Would you crew a 'Q' ship with the rules of engagement the Government is likely to hobble you with?
Then come home to be tried for Islamophobia for shooting a shi'ite?

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Re: Getting hot in the Gulf

#120 Post by ian16th » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:15 pm

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:41 am
18 maximum; triple carriers on 6 stations.
So a pair of jets should be able to take out an entire gaggle of Republican Guard attack boats, and the mothership and its helicopters, and the fighter top cover, if it comes to it.
Seeing as they will all carried externally, what is the impact on performance?
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