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#21 Post by John Hill » Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:06 pm

I am sure that you Ben being an american viewed the darkened country with a pride filled heart!
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#22 Post by BenThere » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:48 pm

Never did I have that emotion, John Hill. I always saw the dark land and felt for the people living in hell, despairing at my powerlessness to do anything about it. Then I would reflect on how lucky I was as we descended into the bright lights of Seoul.

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#23 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:09 am

You do appear to have a very disloyal attitude Ben. The USA has been at war with the DPRK for 69 years and I am sure there are laws about you feeling empathy for your enemies.
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#24 Post by Slasher » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:46 am

Undried Plum wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:16 pm
As any amateur astronomer in the UK, and many other countries, will tell you, light pollution is a menace.
Too bloody true. Its pointless to try looking at anything in a bright city. But out in the Oz sticks on a moonless night the sky is bloody breathtaking. I saw that supernova (in Andromeda or one of the Magellans?) yonks ago through a Cassegrain and always enjoyed a good view of Sir Jupe and Lady Saturn. Saw Mars during a close approach too a while back.

Halley's comet in 1986 was a fizzer even in the bestest seeing conditions. Dunno where I'll be when it returns but I probably won't smell too good.

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#25 Post by ian16th » Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:20 am

Slasher wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:46 am
Halley's comet in 1986 was a fizzer even in the bestest seeing conditions. Dunno where I'll be when it returns but I probably won't smell too good.
It was well displayed here in Seth Efrica.

Me? I spent 6 weeks in N. Carolina and missed it X(

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#26 Post by fareastdriver » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:33 am

The USA has been at war with the DPRK for 69 years

The United Nations has been at war with the DPRK for 69 years.

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#27 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:53 pm

Slasher wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:46 am
Halley's comet in 1986 was a fizzer even in the bestest seeing conditions.
I did get to see it (once I got out of the city - Melbourne), but I had expected something more spectacular - like a firework of the same name rather than a mere smudge in the sky.

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#28 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 pm

fareastdriver wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:33 am
The USA has been at war with the DPRK for 69 years

The United Nations has been at war with the DPRK for 69 years.
Of all UN member countries that sent troops to fight in North Korea the US is the one most actively hostile to the DPRK.
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#29 Post by BenThere » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:11 pm

Toward the end of my career I was flying Detroit to Shanghai and Beijing routes that took me into polar regions on the great circle. I saw spectacular Northern Lights I'll never forget.

Before I got that gig, I often found myself descending into Incheon, observing the darkness of NK contrasted with the brightness of S. Korea gave me a sad feeling. Once on the ground though, I cheered up with Korean BBQ, a king size OB and a spotless hotel room to relax in after a 12 hour day. After a 20 or so hour layover I was off to Seattle or LA again.

Living that night cargo life for some time, I came to adopt the meme: We eat till we're tired and sleep till we're hungry. Long haul catering is generally excellent. Flying a great jet like a B-747 is a privilege, as is touching down in the great places in the world to spend a few days.

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#30 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:23 pm

But you never paused for a moment to consider how your country had contributed to the darkness of the north.
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#31 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:29 pm

John Hill wrote:
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But you never paused for a moment to consider how your country had contributed to the darkness of the north.
I would welcome an explanation . . .

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#32 Post by John Hill » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:48 pm

Way back in the early '90's North Korea started to build Soviet pattern Magnox nuclear reactors for power stations. Various people took alarm at this and a consortium of countries lead by the USA was created to instead build light water nuclear reactors, in the meantime the country would be given fuel oil aid for existing thermal power stations and the DPRK would keep all existing nuclear materials in storage and under international monitoring.

There were delays in construction and oil deliveries were a political football

The project staggered on for more than a decade with little to show but a hole in the ground.

According to Wiki:-
Soon after the Agreed Framework[6] was signed, U.S. Congress control changed to the Republican Party, who did not support the agreement.[7][8] Some Republican Senators were strongly against the agreement, regarding it as appeasement.[9][10] KEDO's first director, Stephen Bosworth, later commented "The Agreed Framework was a political orphan within two weeks after its signature".
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#33 Post by Sisemen » Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:05 am

Wonder if the craven apologist for North Korea has a comment on the latest news of an Australian student arrested in NK. Is this going to be another one brought back brain dead with days to live?

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#34 Post by Capetonian » Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:52 am

North Korea is a fascinating place to visit. It's an even better place to leave

https://www.smh.com.au/national/north-k ... 521t0.html
Now Sigley has been detained, and his prospects range from worrying to terrifying.

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The worst-case scenario is that of Otto Warmbier, a young man who some believe was tortured and left brain damaged in ways that shocked American doctors when he was sent home in June 2017. He died within days of arriving at a top Ohio hospital.
Come on JH, let's hear your praise for Yung Fat Fuk.

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#35 Post by Sisemen » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:06 am

Capes - he’ll refuse to comment until you’ve given him the answer to a question he posed in 2015 =))

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#36 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:53 am

JH, I am very concerned that DPRK's government actions have to do with the state this great country is. I let the posters here express an opinion or even better start a new thread.

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#37 Post by John Hill » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:01 am

Rwy in Sight wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:53 am
.... even better start a new thread.
An excellent idea!
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#38 Post by Rwy in Sight » Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:15 am

John Hill wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 8:01 am
Rwy in Sight wrote:
Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:53 am
.... even better start a new thread.
An excellent idea!
Done, please go there and I will try to put some more points.

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#39 Post by Slasher » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:30 am

G-CPTN wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2019 4:53 pm
I did get to see it (once I got out of the city - Melbourne), but I had expected something more spectacular - like a firework of the same name rather than a mere smudge in the sky.
I understand the 1910 visit of ol' man Halley was quite spectacular. Next visit will be in 2062. If I haven't croaked by then I think I'll be just too old and cranky to give a coitus.

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#40 Post by Stoneboat » Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:19 pm

Anybody remember the comet Kohoutek from 1974 or so? Now there was a bust. It was supposed to be as bright as a quarter moon, instead it was a smudge on the NW horizon. We had a red eye flight to our mine in Northern Quebec at the time, and you could just see it from altitude on the NW horizon.

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