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#61 Post by G-CPTN » Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:30 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:08 pm
Italy and Spain have run out of money and the EU cannot/will not come up with any funds to help.
Both countries were in deep financial trouble before the Virus hit.
Is this attributable to the EU?
What might have happened without the EU?

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#62 Post by ian16th » Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:15 pm

I was an am a Brexiteer, but unlike some on here I don't hate the EU, and I am not hoping to be a gleeful spectator of its demise in a shambles.

If the EU collapses, the UK, among many, will also suffer.

An orderly dismantling is the preferred process.
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#63 Post by Seenenough » Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:42 pm

Italy in the 80s manufactured many of the dishwashers and washing machines used in the world as well large amounts of commercial food processing and manufacturing equipment.

Today it mainly comes out of China and Korea.

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#64 Post by OFSO » Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:50 pm

Spain was bust long ago when their holiday property trade died. Who stopped buying ? The French, because they have no money. The Germans, afraid of warfare and civic disorder. The Dutch and Belgians who went out and bought caravans and motorhomes instead. The English, when the exchange rate dropped.

And everyone when the socialist government put taxes and fines up to ludicrous levels (maximum fine for leaving your house or sitting with your partner in your car is currently €600000) and greedy estate agents charge 6-8% commission.

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#65 Post by k3k3 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:20 pm

House purchase in NRW Germany is horribly expensive, estate agents take 7.14% split between buyer/seller, and the stamp duty equivalent is 6.5%.

Is it any wonder most people rent?

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#66 Post by llondel » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:06 pm

In the US the estate agents (clearly yours are fake because over here they are real) take 6%, which on a million dollar house is a decent amount of wedge.

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#67 Post by ian16th » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:50 pm

In SA they ask for 7.5%, but negotiate.
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#68 Post by Wodrick » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:24 pm

ian16th wrote:
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In SA they ask for 7.5%, but negotiate.
Between 4 and 6% here but will negotiate. On our sales thus far we have told them a fixed price, usually 2000€, they don't like it but they do nowt and 2000 is better than nothing.

On a house purchase here one can expect 10 to 12% additional charges.
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#69 Post by barkingmad » Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:52 am

Meanwhile, back at the Trattoria, Luigi and Giuseppe are making some very threatening noises;



Has the “intervention” by UVDL come too late to stop the bolognese sauce pot from boiling over? It may be that the EUSSR leaders have taken their eyes off the primary flight parameters to watch plague videos and are now staring at an instrument panel where the blue & brown have swopped places and are sitting at an unusual angle...

An interesting aside at the end of Jeff’s piece about how prisoners can transfer Covid-19 to each other by hugging so’s they can be let out early. It was my perception that there were existing transfer methods already in place as a matter of routine... [-X

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#70 Post by barkingmad » Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:57 pm

Ooh dear! They’ve just “discovered” they’ve been breaking their own rules all the time whilst ignoring the rules anyway!

I particularly like the comments appended below this video, not much sympathy there for our friends in EUSSR? Now we have to try to restore some maritime military capability or it will just become a farce again. But at least David Attenborough and Greta will be happier the UK is now doing the right thing...;


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#71 Post by OFSO » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:11 pm

If it were not pathetic it would be funny (and vice-versa).

April 28th, the EU Commission President Ursula van der Leyen announces that the Commission will coordinate removal of lockdown, opening of borders, etc. within the EU.

April 29th, President Macron announces his plan for France.

April 30th, Prime Minister Sanchez announces his plan for Spain.

Both different in concept and dates. And both different from Italy's tentative plan and dates. And Germany's new restricted travel plans and dates. And from whatever Uschi's EU Commission will come up with - if it ever does.

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#72 Post by barkingmad » Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:19 pm

It’s all a bit like BALPA if one was a contractor pilot to any airline.
They were happy to take your (several thousand) shillings but totally uninterested in assisting you when things turned pear-shaped. I was told it was because you were not a big enough voting block though they liked the subs.
So why are Italy snd the others staying in a so-called “union” if they’re not getting the help?
Does anyone smell coffee??!

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#73 Post by barkingmad » Tue May 05, 2020 7:38 am

It would appear that Moicheal O’Leery’s enthusiasm for the EUSSR has been significantly curbed, placing his previous acid comments on Brexit into a new context. But then he might be able to buy out Virgin Atlantic and save us the bleating from Beardy Branson in a Pickle;



J T also makes some observations on the legality of the UK lockdown measures in the latter half of this clip. There’s a free nugget for those with limited attention spans. =))

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#74 Post by barkingmad » Thu May 07, 2020 2:13 pm

Jeff Taylor’s latest video, “UK Easing out of Lockdown?!” contains some very disturbing and virtually unreported by MSM news that the Germans are now revolting against the EU and the ECB and the ECJ.
Yes, you’d better have a pen(cil) and paper ready to keep track of all the acronyms but in essence the German courts have decided that the EUSSR does NOT have dominance not only over the German courts but the ECB and the German banking system! And where have we heard that sort of rebellious talk before?
Fast forwards to it at 5’ 15” if you wish to avoid his take on UK popping the fizz bottle corks and the majority of the video consists of more disturbing creaks and groans from the very heart of the European Dream.
Looks like a rapid Duct Tape job needs to be carried out very soon on that schlerotic and inflexible organisation before this event joins with the Italians’ disillusionment to start the disintegration of the Bloc? :-o

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#75 Post by barkingmad » Tue May 12, 2020 4:42 pm

Further to my last it appears that Germany has been told “you’re a very naughty boy” and will soon report to the headmistress’s study for a good spanking!

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/1 ... of-the-eu/

All this happening as Italy slides towards Italexit and France gets pissed off and the UK is not kowtowing to Michel Barnier and a plague is sweeping the land... Where/when will the pain stop, doctor?

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#76 Post by Boac » Tue May 12, 2020 4:47 pm

I am not feeling pain, BM - I'm enjoying it. I would have thought with your demonstrated masochistic bent you would, too?

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#77 Post by barkingmad » Tue May 12, 2020 4:58 pm

I am feeling the pain, having just been less than careful with the strimmer!
At least my fingerprint record will now need updating.
Can’t understand why you think I’m a masochist, with the ongoing design work on the ‘blade’ I would have thought I qualify as sadist? But I never read the book nor watched “50 Shades of Grey” so that is a gap in my education.
Seriously, with 30 June rapidly approaching, our lot are refusing to give in to Barnier’s demands, Oireland crapping themselves about a possible no-deal Brexit, the EU fiscally heading for the rocks and the Covid panic it will be interesting to see what takes #1 priority with the EUrocrats as we head for summer and beyond whilst this row with Germany simmers on. :-?

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#78 Post by Boac » Tue May 12, 2020 6:05 pm

Sorry! I thought you were feeling EU pain.

PS How do you injure your finger with a strimmer?! Are you really safe with Madame la Guillotine?

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#79 Post by Capetonian » Fri May 15, 2020 12:28 pm

Selfish Germany is dynamiting the eurozone

The currency union will splinter if Italy, Spain and Greece are starved of help from the central bank

“If the law supposes that,” says Mr Bumble in Oliver Twist, “the law is a ass – a idiot.”

Judges are prone to unduly legalistic rulings that seem bizarrely out of touch with the real world, but perhaps no more so than in Germany, whose Federal Constitutional Court last week effectively determined that the European Central Bank’s (ECB) bond buying programme was illegal, or to be more precise, that the European Court of Justice’s (ECJ) prior approval of the programme was “incomprehensive” and “meaningless”.

The effect of the judgment is at one and the same time to challenge the higher authority of the ECJ and the independent right of the ECB to set monetary policy. It is an exocet aimed straight to the heart of the European Union and its monetary union.

Are the grey haired oracles who sit on the BVerfG, to give the court its German acronym, idiots or heroes?

In explaining himself, one of them suggested that he was fed up concerning himself with minority human rights issues and was instead siding with the “silent middle” in defending savers and pensioners from those who would destroy them.

Yet whether one sympathises with this mindset or not, this is not the moment to be dynamiting the entire stadium. To deliberately foment a constitutional crisis in the middle of an unprecedented medical and economic emergency is to pile Pelion on Ossa.

It is also a shameful indictment of Germany’s propensity to regard the EU as no more than a conduit for its own self interest, bending the rules when it suits but ruthlessly imposing them on others when it does not.

The Constitutional Court is of course not the same thing as the German government, some of whose members view the court’s kamikaze disregard for what’s going on in the outside world with the same horror as other EU member states. Some face-saving way of ignoring the court’s instructions will no doubt be found.

The episode nonetheless highlights anew the inescapable fault lines of the Continent’s aspiring United States of Europe.

Let’s side pocket the point of principle here, which is whether it is Germany’s national court, or the European Court of Justice, that rules supreme, and instead focus on the judgment’s practical implications. By challenging the ECB’s right to monetise the debt of member states, the judges are in effect denying those states a perfectly legitimate and effective way of addressing the economic consequences of the coronavirus pandemic.

In Britain, the only reason why the Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, can afford to pay furloughed workers, guarantee bank loans, and generally ramp up spending against a backdrop of collapsing tax revenues is that the Bank of England is buying up much of the new debt the Government is issuing to fund the shortfall.
Christine Lagarde, president of the European Central Bank, lives in dread of the German Constitutional Court's wrecking ball. But its judges claim to be strengthening the EU, not weakening it
Christine Lagarde, president of the European Central Bank, lives in dread of the German Constitutional Court's wrecking ball. But its judges claim to be strengthening the EU, not weakening it

Similarly, its bond buying can be used to ease the kind of punishing post-Covid austerity imagined in an internal UK Treasury discussion paper leaked to the Telegraph this week. The same monetary therapy is being applied in the United States, Japan, China, and everywhere else with its own sovereign central bank.

If the likes of France, Italy, Spain, and Greece are denied that lifeline, they’ll go under as fast as a rusty ship in a storm. Brutal tax rises and spending cuts would indeed be their inescapable future.

It matters less to Germany, which is among the most solvent countries in the world, and can therefore easily afford to bankroll its pandemic response without recourse to monetary financing.

As it is, and with treaties on state aid suspended, Germany has been throwing money at its economy on an almost unimaginable scale. Its judges seem to want to starve others of the ability to do the same. Far from being a benign economic hegemon at the heart of Europe, Germany finds itself accused of returning to its bad old imperialist ways.

For Americans, the defining economic experience of the last one hundred years was the Great Depression. Their biggest fear is mass unemployment. But for Germans it is hyperinflation, and the destabilising destruction of middle class savings that past episodes of it have visited on them. They have a consequent, almost pathological, aversion to debt monetisation.

The Constitutional Court therefore regards its ruling not as an attempt to weaken Europe, but “to strengthen it”. By defending the principles of sound money, the court lessens the risks of a populist backlash against the EU in its own backyard.

And therein lies the nub of the problem. What may be good for Germany and its immediate economic satellites is very probably bad for everyone else. In its supposed efforts to defuse populism in Germany, the court only exacerbates it elsewhere in Europe.

For all its pretence at solidarity, Europe can seemingly never escape these countervailing, centrifugal forces. If Germans don’t allow less solvent neighbours their monetary tranquilisers, the EU will splinter irreparably. The economic damage the pandemic has already inflicted on Europe will look like a mere warm up for the shock to come. Idiots indeed.

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#80 Post by Boac » Fri May 15, 2020 3:20 pm

Source?

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