"But that would require the assent of the Democrat House of Representatives, a long shot as they value the unseating of President Trump much more than the welfare of the US."
+1
Chaos in USA
-
Seenenough
Re: Chaos in USA
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Tuesday slammed New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio's handling of riots in his city, calling it a "disgrace" and saying he has the power to "displace" the mayor -- although doesn't want to at this point.
"The NYPD and the mayor did not do their job last night, I believe that," Cuomo said of the mayor.
Cuomo spoke after another night of devastation in the Big Apple, after protests in response to the death of George Floyd again devolved into riots and looting. The New York City Police Department tells Fox News that 700 arrests were made overnight. A half dozen police officers were injured, while at least six police vehicles were vandalized.
Cuomo said at a press conference that the mayor "underestimates" the scope and duration of the problem, suggesting he needs to deploy more police.
"You have 38,000 NYPD people, it is the largest police department in the United States of America," he said. "Use 38,000 people and protect property. Use the police, protect property and people. Look at the videos, it was a disgrace."
In an extraordinary statement, he went on to say his "option is to displace the mayor ... bring in the National Guard" and essentially "take over." However, he said, "I don't think we're at that point."
He added, "That would be such a chaotic situation in the midst of an already chaotic situation. I don’t think that makes any sense."
"The NYPD and the mayor did not do their job last night, I believe that," Cuomo said of the mayor.
Cuomo spoke after another night of devastation in the Big Apple, after protests in response to the death of George Floyd again devolved into riots and looting. The New York City Police Department tells Fox News that 700 arrests were made overnight. A half dozen police officers were injured, while at least six police vehicles were vandalized.
Cuomo said at a press conference that the mayor "underestimates" the scope and duration of the problem, suggesting he needs to deploy more police.
"You have 38,000 NYPD people, it is the largest police department in the United States of America," he said. "Use 38,000 people and protect property. Use the police, protect property and people. Look at the videos, it was a disgrace."
In an extraordinary statement, he went on to say his "option is to displace the mayor ... bring in the National Guard" and essentially "take over." However, he said, "I don't think we're at that point."
He added, "That would be such a chaotic situation in the midst of an already chaotic situation. I don’t think that makes any sense."
-
boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2714
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Chaos in USA
UP
Post 517.
You are making the absolutely enormous miscalculation probably based on the narrow sources that what you are reading in the US media and creating by your own fantasies. Please tell me how much practical contact you have had actually inside the US but outside of the cesspits of the major cities? I have around 40 years experience with Americans ranging from airline pilots to the help in our local rural hardware/farm shops if you would like to swap opinions. Are all Americans angels? Yes, just as much as all Europeans are angels. Go play in the pig pen and you will have to put up with the smell.
Before you question my judgement remember I have 40 years of military and civilian aviation and 40 years in the US. I know my man.
Just like the UK, based on the posts in this very forum, we don't get on very well with real-estate people, attorneys and politicians when they are working in their natural habitat. We have a common aversion to management and bureaucracy. We have "celebrities" and "reporters" and business owners who are sickening but do they not have counterparts in the UK? None of this means that the average man, who never gets into the newspapers, who does not subscribe to Facebook whatever is not a thoroughly sound individual just like your neighbour in the UK. A little odder in some ways but sound.
.
Post 517.
You are making the absolutely enormous miscalculation probably based on the narrow sources that what you are reading in the US media and creating by your own fantasies. Please tell me how much practical contact you have had actually inside the US but outside of the cesspits of the major cities? I have around 40 years experience with Americans ranging from airline pilots to the help in our local rural hardware/farm shops if you would like to swap opinions. Are all Americans angels? Yes, just as much as all Europeans are angels. Go play in the pig pen and you will have to put up with the smell.
Before you question my judgement remember I have 40 years of military and civilian aviation and 40 years in the US. I know my man.
Just like the UK, based on the posts in this very forum, we don't get on very well with real-estate people, attorneys and politicians when they are working in their natural habitat. We have a common aversion to management and bureaucracy. We have "celebrities" and "reporters" and business owners who are sickening but do they not have counterparts in the UK? None of this means that the average man, who never gets into the newspapers, who does not subscribe to Facebook whatever is not a thoroughly sound individual just like your neighbour in the UK. A little odder in some ways but sound.
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
-
Woody
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 10271
- Joined: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:33 pm
- Location: Sir Kenny Dalglish Stand
- Age: 59
Re: Chaos in USA
You know that there’s a serious problem when Joey Barton starts trending on Twitter 
Joey Barton
@Joey7Barton
· 8h
America. Britain.
This is what happens when you vote into power, people who are c***S
When all else fails, read the instructions.
-
boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2714
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Chaos in USA
Seen
What the Govenor really said is;
"New York is screwed up, de Blasio is an idiot, but I don't want to get involved myself in case the screwed up situation also eats me politically".
.
What the Govenor really said is;
"New York is screwed up, de Blasio is an idiot, but I don't want to get involved myself in case the screwed up situation also eats me politically".
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
Re: Chaos in USA
Fleetwood Town manager Joey Barton has been charged with causing actual bodily harm following a post-match incident in the tunnel at Barnsley on 13 April.
Police say the incident, after the Tykes beat Fleetwood 4-2 in a League One game at Oakwell, left a man with facial injuries.
Re: Chaos in USA
Insurrection Act of 1807
This is the law that Trump is trying to use, not Posse Comitatus. Legal opinions seem to doubt that it is applicable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807
Insurrection Act of 1807
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Insurrection Act)
Jump to navigationJump to search
Ambox current red Americas.svg
This article may be affected by the following current event: George Floyd protests. Information in this article may change rapidly as the event progresses. Initial news reports may be unreliable. The last updates to this article may not reflect the most current information. Please feel free to improve this article (but note that updates without valid and reliable references will be removed) or discuss changes on the talk page. (June 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)
Insurrection Act of 1807
Great Seal of the United States
Long title An Act authorizing the employment of the land and naval forces of the United States, in cases of insurrections
Enacted by the 9th United States Congress
Effective March 3, 1807
Citations
Public law 9-39
Statutes at Large 2 Stat. 443
Legislative history
Signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson on March 3, 1807
Major amendments
1871, 2006, 2007
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255; prior to 2016, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331–335) that empowers the president of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.
The act provides the "major exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act, which limits the use of the U.S. military within the United States for law enforcement purposes.[1] The President must firstly issue a proclamation ordering the insurgents to immediately disperse (per 10 U.S.C. § 254).
Contents
1 Purpose and content
2 Application
3 List of invocations of Insurrection Act
4 References
5 External links
Purpose and content
The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the armed forces and the National Guard:
when requested by a state's legislature, or governor if the legislature cannot be convened, to address an insurrection against that state (§ 251
),
to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law (§ 252
), or
to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of Constitutionally-secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights (§ 253
).
The 1807 Act replaced the earlier Calling Forth Act of 1792, which had allowed for federalization of state militias, with similar language that allowed either for federalization of state militias or use of the regular armed forces in the case of rebellion against a state government.[2]:60
The 1807 Act has been modified twice. In 1861, a new section was added allowing the federal government to use the National Guard and armed forces against the will of the state government in the case of "rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States," in anticipation of continued unrest after the Civil War.[3] In 1871, the Third Enforcement Act revised this section (§ 253) to protect African Americans from attacks by the Ku Klux Klan. The language added at that time allows the federal government to use the act to enforce the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[2]:63-64 This section of the act was invoked during the Reconstruction era, and again during desegregation fights during the Civil Rights Era.[4]
Application
The Insurrection Act has been invoked infrequently throughout American history. Governors have requested and received support most recently following looting in the aftermath of Hurricane Hugo in 1989 and during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[5][6] Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy also invoked the Act in opposition to the affected states' political leaders to enforce court-ordered desegregation.[7]
In 2006, the George W. Bush administration considered intervening in the state of Louisiana's response to Hurricane Katrina despite the refusal from Louisiana's governor, but this was inconsistent with past precedent, politically difficult, and potentially unconstitutional.[2]:73-75 An amendment was made to the Insurrection Act by the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 to explicitly allow any emergency hindering the enforcement of laws, regardless of state consent, to be a cause for use of the military. Bush signed this amendment into law, but some months after it was enacted, all 50 state governors issued a joint statement against it, and the changes were repealed in January 2008.[1]
On June 1, 2020, President Donald Trump threatened to invoke the Act in response to the nationwide protests following the death of George Floyd in police custody.[8][9]
List of invocations of Insurrection Act
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Date of invocation Invoking President State requested? Affected area Occasion
April 19, 1808 Thomas Jefferson Lake Champlain Embargo Act violations[7]
August 23, 1831 Andrew Jackson Yes Norfolk, Virginia Nat Turner's slave rebellion[10]
January 28, 1834 Andrew Jackson Yes Williamsport, Maryland Labor dispute by workers on Chesapeake and Ohio Canal[11]
October 17, 1871 Ulysses S. Grant No South Carolina Suppression of Ku Klux Klan[12]
September 15, 1872 Ulysses S. Grant No New Orleans, Louisiana Unrest following 1872 Louisiana gubernatorial election[13]
May 13, 1874 Ulysses S. Grant Yes Little Rock, Arkansas Brooks–Baxter War [14]
October 7, 1878 Rutherford B. Hayes Yes Lincoln County, New Mexico Territory Lincoln County War[15]
July 7, 1894 Grover Cleveland Yes Chicago, Illinois Pullman Strike[16][17]
April 28, 1914 Woodrow Wilson Yes[18] Colorado Colorado Coalfield War[19]
July 22, 1943 Franklin D. Roosevelt Yes Detroit, Michigan 1943 Detroit race riot[20]
September 24, 1957 Dwight D. Eisenhower No Little Rock, Arkansas To protect Little Rock Nine[21]:8
September 30, 1962 John F. Kennedy No Oxford, Mississippi Ole Miss riot of 1962[7]:13
September 10, 1963 John F. Kennedy No Alabama Enforce desegregation orders on Alabama public schools[7]:13
July 24, 1967 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Detroit, Michigan 1967 Detroit riot[22]
April 5, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Washington, D.C. 1968 Washington, D.C., riots[23]
April 7, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Baltimore, Maryland Baltimore riot of 1968[24]
April 7, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Chicago, Illinois 1968 Chicago riots[25]
September 1989 George H. W. Bush Yes Saint Croix, United States Virgin Islands Disorder following Hurricane Hugo[26]
May 1, 1992 George H. W. Bush Yes Los Angeles County, California 1992 Los Angeles riots[27]
PP
This is the law that Trump is trying to use, not Posse Comitatus. Legal opinions seem to doubt that it is applicable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act_of_1807
Insurrection Act of 1807
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Redirected from Insurrection Act)
Jump to navigationJump to search
Ambox current red Americas.svg
This article may be affected by the following current event: George Floyd protests. Information in this article may change rapidly as the event progresses. Initial news reports may be unreliable. The last updates to this article may not reflect the most current information. Please feel free to improve this article (but note that updates without valid and reliable references will be removed) or discuss changes on the talk page. (June 2020) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)
Insurrection Act of 1807
Great Seal of the United States
Long title An Act authorizing the employment of the land and naval forces of the United States, in cases of insurrections
Enacted by the 9th United States Congress
Effective March 3, 1807
Citations
Public law 9-39
Statutes at Large 2 Stat. 443
Legislative history
Signed into law by President Thomas Jefferson on March 3, 1807
Major amendments
1871, 2006, 2007
The Insurrection Act of 1807 is a United States federal law (10 U.S.C. §§ 251–255; prior to 2016, 10 U.S.C. §§ 331–335) that empowers the president of the United States to deploy U.S. military and federalized National Guard troops within the United States in particular circumstances, such as to suppress civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion.
The act provides the "major exception" to the Posse Comitatus Act, which limits the use of the U.S. military within the United States for law enforcement purposes.[1] The President must firstly issue a proclamation ordering the insurgents to immediately disperse (per 10 U.S.C. § 254).
Contents
1 Purpose and content
2 Application
3 List of invocations of Insurrection Act
4 References
5 External links
Purpose and content
The Act empowers the U.S. president to call into service the armed forces and the National Guard:
when requested by a state's legislature, or governor if the legislature cannot be convened, to address an insurrection against that state (§ 251
),
to address an insurrection, in any state, which makes it impracticable to enforce the law (§ 252
), or
to address an insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination or conspiracy, in any state, which results in the deprivation of Constitutionally-secured rights, and where the state is unable, fails, or refuses to protect said rights (§ 253
).
The 1807 Act replaced the earlier Calling Forth Act of 1792, which had allowed for federalization of state militias, with similar language that allowed either for federalization of state militias or use of the regular armed forces in the case of rebellion against a state government.[2]:60
The 1807 Act has been modified twice. In 1861, a new section was added allowing the federal government to use the National Guard and armed forces against the will of the state government in the case of "rebellion against the authority of the government of the United States," in anticipation of continued unrest after the Civil War.[3] In 1871, the Third Enforcement Act revised this section (§ 253) to protect African Americans from attacks by the Ku Klux Klan. The language added at that time allows the federal government to use the act to enforce the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution.[2]:63-64 This section of the act was invoked during the Reconstruction era, and again during desegregation fights during the Civil Rights Era.[4]
Application
The Insurrection Act has been invoked infrequently throughout American history. Governors have requested and received support most recently following looting in the aftermath of Hurricane Hugo in 1989 and during the 1992 Los Angeles riots.[5][6] Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy also invoked the Act in opposition to the affected states' political leaders to enforce court-ordered desegregation.[7]
In 2006, the George W. Bush administration considered intervening in the state of Louisiana's response to Hurricane Katrina despite the refusal from Louisiana's governor, but this was inconsistent with past precedent, politically difficult, and potentially unconstitutional.[2]:73-75 An amendment was made to the Insurrection Act by the John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007 to explicitly allow any emergency hindering the enforcement of laws, regardless of state consent, to be a cause for use of the military. Bush signed this amendment into law, but some months after it was enacted, all 50 state governors issued a joint statement against it, and the changes were repealed in January 2008.[1]
On June 1, 2020, President Donald Trump threatened to invoke the Act in response to the nationwide protests following the death of George Floyd in police custody.[8][9]
List of invocations of Insurrection Act
This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it.
Date of invocation Invoking President State requested? Affected area Occasion
April 19, 1808 Thomas Jefferson Lake Champlain Embargo Act violations[7]
August 23, 1831 Andrew Jackson Yes Norfolk, Virginia Nat Turner's slave rebellion[10]
January 28, 1834 Andrew Jackson Yes Williamsport, Maryland Labor dispute by workers on Chesapeake and Ohio Canal[11]
October 17, 1871 Ulysses S. Grant No South Carolina Suppression of Ku Klux Klan[12]
September 15, 1872 Ulysses S. Grant No New Orleans, Louisiana Unrest following 1872 Louisiana gubernatorial election[13]
May 13, 1874 Ulysses S. Grant Yes Little Rock, Arkansas Brooks–Baxter War [14]
October 7, 1878 Rutherford B. Hayes Yes Lincoln County, New Mexico Territory Lincoln County War[15]
July 7, 1894 Grover Cleveland Yes Chicago, Illinois Pullman Strike[16][17]
April 28, 1914 Woodrow Wilson Yes[18] Colorado Colorado Coalfield War[19]
July 22, 1943 Franklin D. Roosevelt Yes Detroit, Michigan 1943 Detroit race riot[20]
September 24, 1957 Dwight D. Eisenhower No Little Rock, Arkansas To protect Little Rock Nine[21]:8
September 30, 1962 John F. Kennedy No Oxford, Mississippi Ole Miss riot of 1962[7]:13
September 10, 1963 John F. Kennedy No Alabama Enforce desegregation orders on Alabama public schools[7]:13
July 24, 1967 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Detroit, Michigan 1967 Detroit riot[22]
April 5, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Washington, D.C. 1968 Washington, D.C., riots[23]
April 7, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Baltimore, Maryland Baltimore riot of 1968[24]
April 7, 1968 Lyndon B. Johnson Yes Chicago, Illinois 1968 Chicago riots[25]
September 1989 George H. W. Bush Yes Saint Croix, United States Virgin Islands Disorder following Hurricane Hugo[26]
May 1, 1992 George H. W. Bush Yes Los Angeles County, California 1992 Los Angeles riots[27]
PP
-
AtomKraft
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2549
- Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:05 am
- Location: Planet Claire
- Gender:
- Age: 63
Re: Chaos in USA
boing.
I expressed 'zero' about the perfection of the UK. Heaven knows we've done our share of wickedness.
Most of the folk we screwed hated us, but they never thought we were idiots.
I've been to more of the US than most Americans, and most US folk would struggle to navigate to a new shopping mall, or indeed anywhere new at all.
Docile ****, most of them- which is why I heartily approve of POTUS Trump.
He's a truly representative leader.
I expressed 'zero' about the perfection of the UK. Heaven knows we've done our share of wickedness.
Most of the folk we screwed hated us, but they never thought we were idiots.
I've been to more of the US than most Americans, and most US folk would struggle to navigate to a new shopping mall, or indeed anywhere new at all.
Docile ****, most of them- which is why I heartily approve of POTUS Trump.
He's a truly representative leader.
Re: Chaos in USA
Kent State shootings apology - it was only 4 dead students and 9 injured - the figure 13 was stuck in my head. Just their unlucky day I guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Re: Chaos in USA
It is true, and not only that, but he had Elon Musk lend him the time machine so he could bring Michelangelo himself to do it.Undried Plum wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:47 pmI've never been to either of the top two or three floors of Trump Tower (I usually just go up one floor on the escalator and turn right to go to the far corner to have a "rest" in a room designed for the purpose.
I'm told that he has a ceiling in his apartment painted like the Sistine Chapel, which is said to look like something that Louis XIV on LSD would have ordered.
Because they stand on the wall and say "nothing's gonna hurt you tonight, not on my watch".
-
boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2714
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Chaos in USA
AK
If finding the way to a new shopping mall were a critical skill I would be concerned.
This is not solely an American problem. We have only to view the Rants and Darwin Awards threads to see that for some parts of the population everywhere stupidity is endemic.
If the whole population of the World was uniformly intelligent would the World's problems go away or would they continue to exist but just on a higher level?
Thanks PP. That list is indeed interesting. Quite an assortment of Presidents.
.
If finding the way to a new shopping mall were a critical skill I would be concerned.
This is not solely an American problem. We have only to view the Rants and Darwin Awards threads to see that for some parts of the population everywhere stupidity is endemic.
I think that to impress with that statement you are going to have to produce specific examples. For example, I remember when the famous "Spaghetti Junction" opened near Birmingham and people got lost on it. My company still gets phone calls in the middle of the night because people in UK don't seem to understand time zones.I've been to more of the US than most Americans, and most US folk would struggle to navigate to a new shopping mall, or indeed anywhere new at all.
Docile ****, most of them
If the whole population of the World was uniformly intelligent would the World's problems go away or would they continue to exist but just on a higher level?
Thanks PP. That list is indeed interesting. Quite an assortment of Presidents.
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
-
AtomKraft
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2549
- Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:05 am
- Location: Planet Claire
- Gender:
- Age: 63
Re: Chaos in USA
The leader of a Communist Country, should be a Communist- like that nice Mister Xi.
The leader of a Socialist-minded Country, like New Zealand, should be a Socialist.
The leader of a Liberal minded Country should be a Liberal, and
The leader of a silly old Colonial Country, should be a silly minded old Colonial.
So, who should be the leader of a Country of dim-witted xenophobic ****?
Answers on a postcard to: Mr Trump, Trump Towers, Trumpetland, USA.
You voted for the ****, so get on with it.
The leader of a Socialist-minded Country, like New Zealand, should be a Socialist.
The leader of a Liberal minded Country should be a Liberal, and
The leader of a silly old Colonial Country, should be a silly minded old Colonial.
So, who should be the leader of a Country of dim-witted xenophobic ****?
Answers on a postcard to: Mr Trump, Trump Towers, Trumpetland, USA.
You voted for the ****, so get on with it.
Re: Chaos in USA
I think that would be entirely the wrong response. Set the military on the civilian population and the country descends to the level of tinpot dictatorship. The prime reason people started protesting is because of state-sanctioned violence. The look on the cop's face when being filmed while he committing murder was one that said he didn't care because he would get away with it. Too many times the police are given carte blanche to overstep the bounds of acceptable behaviour and there are too many arrogant bullies in police forces as a result. Calling in the armed forces to further perpetuate violence of that level will rapidly degenerate the situation. Who knows, it might bring the final act of the 2nd Amendment into play - isn't the purpose of bearing arms to protect the people against a tyrannical government?BenThere wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:44 pmToday, cities around the country are overwhelmed with the damage and inadequacy of their police forces to contain it. The US military has the wherewithal to restore order. The Posse Comitatus law does stand in the way, but that can be repealed, a solution I would favor as the situation stands. But that would require the assent of the Democrat House of Representatives, a long shot as they value the unseating of President Trump much more than the welfare of the US.
-
AtomKraft
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2549
- Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:05 am
- Location: Planet Claire
- Gender:
- Age: 63
Re: Chaos in USA
boing
You asked for an example.
Once, I was in Mesa- it's in Phoenix. We were looking for a street in order to meet a chum of my wifes'.
Stopped and asked a guy who was outside his garage if he knew where the street was.
After much sucking of teeth and humming and hawing he said "Son, I lived here more'n thirty years and I dont never heard of that street you're a-looking furr"
Turned out it was directly opposite his driveway, literally 15 metres from where we stood.
You asked for an example.
Once, I was in Mesa- it's in Phoenix. We were looking for a street in order to meet a chum of my wifes'.
Stopped and asked a guy who was outside his garage if he knew where the street was.
After much sucking of teeth and humming and hawing he said "Son, I lived here more'n thirty years and I dont never heard of that street you're a-looking furr"
Turned out it was directly opposite his driveway, literally 15 metres from where we stood.
-
boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2714
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Chaos in USA
Am I to take that as a personal insult AK. Beginning to sound like pistols for two coffee for one.So, who should be the leader of a Country of dim-witted ****?
I did vote for Trump holding my nose but I firmly believe that Clinton would have been a much worse President (that subject has been beaten to death many times and I don't intend to open it again). It was merely a case of choosing the less obnoxious candidate knowing that the elections were only a care-taker administration away.
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.
Re: Chaos in USA
Of course you don't because you know the case against Hillary is mostly a crock.
Been in data comm since we formed the bits individually with a Morse key.
-
AtomKraft
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2549
- Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:05 am
- Location: Planet Claire
- Gender:
- Age: 63
Re: Chaos in USA
Boing.
No dear chap.
If I had a choice between that warmongering whore and Trump- I'd certainly have voted as you did.
Just sayin....You get the Government you deserve.
Don't complain. That's how it should be!
Who can lead a Nation of **** better than a ****?
I heartily approve of POTUS Trump.
He's truly, the ****-in-Chief!
No dear chap.
If I had a choice between that warmongering whore and Trump- I'd certainly have voted as you did.
Just sayin....You get the Government you deserve.
Don't complain. That's how it should be!
Who can lead a Nation of **** better than a ****?
I heartily approve of POTUS Trump.
He's truly, the ****-in-Chief!
-
AtomKraft
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2549
- Joined: Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:05 am
- Location: Planet Claire
- Gender:
- Age: 63
Re: Chaos in USA
btw boing
Stop pulling my leg.
You live in the US- and you are probably quite a clever guy- so you MUST know, that most US 'citizens' are extremely dim.
Say it's not so!
Stop pulling my leg.
You live in the US- and you are probably quite a clever guy- so you MUST know, that most US 'citizens' are extremely dim.
Say it's not so!
-
Undried Plum
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 7308
- Joined: Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:45 pm
- Location: 56°N 4°W
Re: Chaos in USA
And I'll bet that he thought he wasn't the one who was lost.
Very American.
-
boing
- Chief Pilot
- Posts: 2714
- Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:32 am
- Location: Beautful Oregon USA
- Gender:
- Age: 77
Re: Chaos in USA
PP
Yes, I used to be bemused by some answers. I would ask at a hotel desk how far it was to, say, a local bookstore. The answer would almost invariably be something like 10 minutes. When I repeated "How far ?" it took a while for them to appreciate that I was planning to do the unheard of action of walking instead of taking a taxi and they had given me the time for a taxi ride.
Similarly, in southern Los Angeles I asked a locally based flight attendant how long it would take me to get to a certain location by rental car. Same thing, she replied "when ?". I repeated "No, how long", she repeated "When?". Then it hit me in LA the same journey can take 20 minutes or two hours depending on the time of day.
It's just the culture, the thought pattern is different. Quite clearly in the case of the fellow you spoke to you were the first person to ask him for directions to the street in 30 years. The nice thing about the US is that with the exception of some of the east coast towns and older cities the streets are laid out in a grid pattern which makes life simpler.
.
Yes, I used to be bemused by some answers. I would ask at a hotel desk how far it was to, say, a local bookstore. The answer would almost invariably be something like 10 minutes. When I repeated "How far ?" it took a while for them to appreciate that I was planning to do the unheard of action of walking instead of taking a taxi and they had given me the time for a taxi ride.
Similarly, in southern Los Angeles I asked a locally based flight attendant how long it would take me to get to a certain location by rental car. Same thing, she replied "when ?". I repeated "No, how long", she repeated "When?". Then it hit me in LA the same journey can take 20 minutes or two hours depending on the time of day.
It's just the culture, the thought pattern is different. Quite clearly in the case of the fellow you spoke to you were the first person to ask him for directions to the street in 30 years. The nice thing about the US is that with the exception of some of the east coast towns and older cities the streets are laid out in a grid pattern which makes life simpler.
.
the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible.