Chaos in USA

[Seenenough]

Plum,I am all for the South African way of voting-Identify yourself at the polling station entrance and get your thumb nail marked so that you cannot possibly vote more than once.It is the only certain way that a voter only casts one vote.

[BenThere]

I've never gotten why the obviously simple solution, issuing a voter ID card that also serves as a national ID, hasn't received universal acclaim.

The truth is that Democrats don't want a simple, iron-clad system because it would cripple the corrupt vote-stealing machine apparatus that is well-established in every Democrat-dominated city, and has stolen many elections. Because Republican efforts to cleanse the voting process are portrayed overwhelmingly by media as racist (voter suppression), xenophobic (anti-immigrant), white supremacist (more whites will get the IDs), et al., Republicans haven't been able to drag voter ID across the finish line. I'm convinced that Voter ID is the only viable solution and will ultimately become established. After all, Voter ID doesn't seek to steal votes but to validate the citizenship of those submitting votes. That's still the law of the land.

Voting by mail without sufficient verification, as we are preparing to do in November, if you ask me, is a fool's errand, destined to generate untold headaches.

[ian16th]

Welcome home!

[Seenenough]

Welcome home!

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[Wodrick]

+2 we worry you know.

[boing]

This is 2018 but no reason to think the system has changed.

Hollywood conservative Chuck Woolery is baffled by the mystery of the “suddenly found” missing votes, which turned out to favor the Democrat.

“Mysteriously 500 votes were found, somewhere, in the trunk of a car, under a church pew, that weren’t counted,” Woolery tweeted. “This seems to happen in close elections, but the thing is, they never favor the Republican. That’s curious, don’t you think?”

Charlie Kirk of Turning Point USA tweeted, “Voter fraud is real: 170 Voters in Ohio Race ‘Over 116 Years Old,’ World’s Oldest Person Is 115.”

Voter fraud is real:

170 Voters in Ohio Race ‘Over 116 Years Old,’ World’s Oldest Person Is 115

According to the Government Accountability Institute, the voter rolls of Ohio’s 12th congressional district lists 170 registered voters as being over 116 years old, as BizPac Review reported.

The oldest person in the world is 115 years old, which would make these multiple 116-year-old “voters” in Ohio a record-setting phenomenon.

[Undried Plum]

What is the scale of voter fraud, such as Trump appears to be soliciting?

Is there an electoral precedent for an incumbent President openly soliciting fraudulent votes the way this criminal arsehole is apparently doing?

The most overtly criminal President in recent times is Nixon. Did he commit this particular crime?

[PHXPhlyer]

Plum:
Trump makes Nixon look like a choirboy in that regard.

PP

[G-CPTN]

Vote early and vote often.

[Undried Plum]

Rodham won 2.87M more votes than Herr Drumpff.

How many of those votes, on either side, are claimed to be Trump-style fraudulent double votes.

What is the scale of the Trumpian criminality?

[PHXPhlyer]

Nepotism, violation of the emoluments clause, bank fraud , tax evasion are just a few that come to mind without putting too much thought to the matter.
Also, admitted sexual assault, campaign finance violation(s), cheating on spouses...
OK I did think a little more.

PP

[Undried Plum]

The US has imposed sanctions on senior officials in the International Criminal Court (ICC), including Chief Orosecutor Fatou Bensouda.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused the court of "illegitimate attempts to subject Americans to its jurisdiction".

The Hague-based ICC is currently investigating whether US forces committed war crimes in Afghanistan.

The US has criticised the court since its foundation and is one of a dozen states which have not signed up.

Balkees Jarrah, senior counsel at the non-governmental organisation Human Rights Watch, condemned the sanctions as a "shameful new low for US commitments to justice for victims of the worst crimes".

Mr Pompeo's move marked a "stunning perversion of US sanctions, devised to penalize rights abusers and kleptocrats, to target those prosecuting war crimes", she tweeted.

Created by a UN treaty in 2002, the ICC investigates and brings to justice those responsible for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, intervening when national authorities cannot or will not prosecute.

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UP

Ref 1067

I'm afraid Trump just outsmarted you.

For years Trump has been complaining about voter fraud and the Democratic reply was that there wasn't any.

So now he implies that his people should vote twice and everyone is shouting "voter fraud, voter fraud". Trump has cleverly got the Democrats to confirm, very plainly and from their own mouths, that the possibility for voter fraud does exist by, at least, the voting twice mechanism or why would they be objecting so loudly to his suggestion if it could not be a problem. Perhaps the Democrats don't wish to share their advantage.

And, by the way, you should, along with many others, learn about the Electoral College. It may not be a perfect system but it is in the Constitution and so any election must comply with the rules. As has been mentioned in several threads the US Constitution may be amended so if the politicians and the electorate wished to abolish the College it could be done, the fact that this has not happened despite the predictable outcry each election shows that this desire does not truly exist. The reason it does not exist is that under the right circumstances either party could use the Electoral College to their own ends so that they really do not want to see it go away. Your objection that Clinton won a majority vote but failed to become President is totally void and pointless because the Constitution determines how these calculations are made not aggrieved voters.

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[G-CPTN]

Does the Electoral College Trump the popular vote?
If so, what is the point of the popular vote?

[Undried Plum]

duplicate but mistyped post

[Undried Plum]

Does the Electoral College Trump the popular vote?

Yes.

If so, what is the point of the popular vote?

To create a sham illusion amongst the most gullible sheeple that the fascist Empire is a democracy.

[boing]

GCPTN

It is a complicated subject with a long history.

[boing]

GCPTN

Here is a pretty good simplified explanation.

https://www.history.com/news/electoral- ... convention

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[G-CPTN]

Thanks.

So it is hysterical(SIC)?

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GCPTN

The electoral college was designed to avoid corruption.

The first suggestion was that Congress should nominate the President. This idea was dropped because it allowed a small group in Congress to rig the nomination.

A later idea was to have a popular vote but this was seen as disadvantageous to the smaller lower populated States.

Eventually the idea chosen was that electors would be chosen from the States and their combined votes would choose the President (and Vice-President). This made sure that small States had a certain representation and made it more difficult for colluding groups to effect the results.

Not a great system but it worked until the hyper-political era we live in.

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