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Re: Chaos in USA

#2701 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:41 am

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For a supposedly world leading technological economy the USA has demonstrated a staggering toll, due mostly to cant, scientific illiteracy and futile wrong minded political ideology! The UK, for all its much touted vaccination programme, has not fared well overall either.
I'll see you that and raise you gross stupidity.

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#2702 Post by boing » Mon Oct 18, 2021 5:53 am

I'm afraid that some people here need to look at facts rather than opinions.

Take four of the rebel States that were famously hold outs on vaccination.
Texas 52.3% of the population vaccinated . Covid rate 22 per 100,000.
Florida 58.7% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 13 per 100,000.
Georgia 47% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 17 per 100,000.
Louisiana 46.6% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 14 per 100,000.
These were States predicted to face a Covid explosion because of their policies.

Now, the more compliant States
California 60.2% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 14 per 100,000.
Delaware (the area around Washington DC) 58.8% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 48 per 100,000.
Washington 62.4% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 32 per 100,000.
Virginia (another "suburb" of Washington DC) 61.9% of the population vaccinated. Covid rate 25 per 100,000.
Pennsylvania (the home State of Biden) a mere 59.2% vaccination rate but a Covid rate of 36 per 100,000.

These figures are from the Mayo Clinic Covid tracking app.

Please explain why Louisiana, supposedly the State popularly considered to have one of the worst medical infrastructures in the US, with only 46.6% of the population vaccinated, has a similar infection rate to California with its supposedly excellent medical system and 60.2% vaccination rate? Why does the great and highly insulted State of Texas have an infection rate of 22 per 100,000 when virtual suburbs of Washington DC have rates of 25 and 48 per 100,000?

The US media is distorting popular reports to suggest that pro-choice vaccination States are sinking into disaster, factually this is simply not true. Incidentally, these States are also the recipients of hundreds of Covid cases allowed into the country by Biden's immigration policies which do not now test immigrants for Covid, simply letting them mix with the vaccinated rest of the population.


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#2703 Post by boing » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:06 am

And, if you are wondering why people in the US react to mask mandates, one reason is pure hypocracy.

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#2704 Post by prospector » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:47 am

And how about this for pure stupidity by our so called experts in the field of vaccinations, they know better than many other experts.

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national ... hp&pc=U531

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#2705 Post by Bob » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:23 am

boing wrote:
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And, if you are wondering why people in the US react to mask mandates, one reason is pure hypocracy.

[media]https://news.yahoo.com/video-biden-walk ... 00056.html[/media]



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So seeing your leader being a hypocritical Idiot leads to you thinking well no wonder half the country are idiots.
IMO thats a chicken and egg situation and Im pretty sure those people have been idiots for some considerable time
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#2706 Post by Bob » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:29 am

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#2707 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:00 pm

Colin Powell dies due to Covid complications...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 40290.html
Mr Powell, the son of Jamaican immigrants, was one of the most decorated military officials and served in multiple Republican administrations, including as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for President George H W Bush during the Persian Gulf War and Secretary of State for George W Bush.

“We have lost a remarkable and loving husband, father, grandfather and a great American,” his family said in a statement.
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#2708 Post by OFSO » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:54 pm

I had a lot of respect for him. Sadly he lost out in the Great Covid Lottery by being coloured.

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#2709 Post by Bob » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:14 pm

Simply being coloured does not increase your risk of severe outcome from covid, the correlation between being in a low class (More likely if you're black especially in the land of the free) where you have to go out and work in a dangerous infectious environment is where the risk relation lies, none of which is applicable to Mr Powell

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#2710 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:27 pm

Powell had multiple myeloma, a cancer of the plasma cells
From CNN’s Jake Tapper
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... f418e19314

Gen. Colin Powell had multiple myeloma, according to a source familiar with the matter. Multiple myeloma is a cancer of plasma cells that suppresses the body’s immune response.

Even if fully vaccinated against Covid-19, immunocompromised people are at greater risk from the coronavirus.

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#2711 Post by boing » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:08 pm

I see Powell as the final vote that got the US into the Iraq war by deliberately distorting intelligence at the request of Bush and Cheney, the American people would never have trusted B & C but they would trust Vietnam hero Colin Powell. As such I have condolences for his family but little praise for his weakness during the one unfortunate occasion where he destroyed his honourable career by allowing political pressure to overcome his personal judgement.

I will never forget the fact that the Bush administration deliberately described a miscellaneous load of piping on a beaten up truck as being precursors to the manufacture rocket launching tubes and under the influence of Powell the US people accepted this as fact.

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#2712 Post by boing » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:17 pm

Bob, the decisions of the population are left with them. In my post I simply pointed out the scientific facts as collected by the Mayo Clinic, a most respected organisation, do not correspond to media and political claims. On a broad view infection rate does is not correspond well to vaccination rate. Why this may be so we should find out but it is clear that the claim of "more vaccinations = less infections" is simplistic and not true.

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#2713 Post by John Hill » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:50 pm

OFSO wrote:
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I had a lot of respect for him.
Count me out of that.
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Re: Chaos in USA

#2714 Post by 1DC » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:37 pm

Colin Powell had the decency to apologise for misleading the people when he found out the evidence was wrong.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#2715 Post by Dushan » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:48 pm

Bob wrote:
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The difference being that masks are government mandated. the other is voluntary.
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#2716 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:13 pm

Dushan wrote:
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Bob wrote:
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The difference being that masks are government mandated. the other is voluntary.
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#2717 Post by John Hill » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:03 pm

1DC wrote:
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Colin Powell had the decency to apologise for misleading the people when he found out the evidence was wrong.

I believe he knew what he said to the UN was false. Those who did not already know were forced to accept that the word of the US can not be trusted at even the highest levels.
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#2718 Post by 4mastacker » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:56 pm

1DC wrote:
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Colin Powell had the decency to apologise for misleading the people when he found out the evidence was wrong.
I'm surprised... well actually I'm not.... that whilst the BBC mentioned Powell's use of misleading information, it failed to mention the fact that Bliar had presented the same information in the "Dodgy Dossier" to mislead Parliament and the nation so he could have "his war".
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#2719 Post by llondel » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:58 am

boing wrote:
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Please explain why Louisiana, supposedly the State popularly considered to have one of the worst medical infrastructures in the US, with only 46.6% of the population vaccinated, has a similar infection rate to California with its supposedly excellent medical system and 60.2% vaccination rate? Why does the great and highly insulted State of Texas have an infection rate of 22 per 100,000 when virtual suburbs of Washington DC have rates of 25 and 48 per 100,000?
You can play all sorts of games with numbers. California has had about 71k deaths, Louisiana has had 14k. that's a death rate of .18% in California and 0.3% in Louisiana, noticeably worse. Total cases are 12% for CA and 16% for LA.

Looking at graphs over time, California peaked earlier this year, before the vaccines had rolled out, Louisiana peaked then, but had a more recent peak at the end of August. Current 7-day average is 98 for CA, 21 for LA, so it's twice as bad per head of population in LA.

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#2720 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:14 am

Colon Powell played the same hand of cards as did Albert Speer. And in exactly the same way.

He later pretended that he was not in on the plot to mass murder. So did Albert Speer.

Both of them got away with it.

Bastards, the pair of 'em.

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