Chaos in USA

[boing]

John, I really try to stay calm when I read your totally stupid posts and your lame attempts to change the subject when you are cornered by a point that you can't answer.

You stated.

Now I don't know about you but I sure would not like to live where police are free to use illegal use of force on protestors, or anyone else.

As a result of you saying the above we are comparing the actions of NK with the actions of the police in the US. Would you please give me an example of someone who has been strapped across the muzzle of a cannon and blown to smithereens by the leader of the US? Perhaps this was just a temper tantrum and we should not take it too seriously.

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[John Hill]

As a result of you saying the above we are comparing the actions of NK with the actions of the police in the US. Would you please give me an example of someone who has been strapped across the muzzle of a cannon and blown to smithereens by the leader of the US? Perhaps this was just a temper tantrum and we should not take it too seriously.

Just a few recent examples:-
Iraq, a few hundred thousands, maybe a million or more.
Afghanistan, about 250 thousands.
Pakistan, a few thousands.

All killed by the USA in no doubt quite a few temper tantrums.

[boing]

I asked you for examples of anyone killed by being strapped to a cannon, you conveniently suggested some recent examples.

Of course, we do need some supporting documentation. That does sound rather like a lot of ammunition and I do fail to see how a leader of the US could have been responsible for execution of anyone in Pakistan not to mention this being accomplished by cannon.

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[John Hill]

If you want to be specific you should give us details of the alleged cannon execution in North Korea.

[John Hill]

While we are waiting...



...people watching an American 'execution' in Pakistan, do you recognize anyone?

[bob2s]

John, are you sure you are not Barking Mad in disguise?

[Dushan]

While we are waiting...



...people watching an American 'execution' in Pakistan, do you recognize anyone?

Yeah, a bunch of democrats.

[John Hill]

Yeah, a bunch of democrats.

But Americans including a leader or two.

[boing]

Kim Jong Un Orders Execution of Officials Using Anti-Aircraft Gun

https://www.newsweek.com/kim-jong-un-ex ... gun-561952

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[TheGreenGoblin]

Kim Jong Un Orders Execution of Officials Using Anti-Aircraft Gun

https://www.newsweek.com/kim-jong-un-ex ... gun-561952

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Maybe, maybe not! Not everything you read about the Hermit Kingdom can be taken at face value...

South Korea’s spy agency is the source for the claim that Kim’s defence minister Hyon Yong-chol was blown to pieces by an anti-aircraft gun for failing to show enough loyalty to the supreme leader.

The evidence is inconclusive: there are reports of footage of Hyon being shown on North Korean state TV after his supposed death, whereas purged officials are usually airbrushed from history.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... ve-country

[John Hill]

Can we now move on to the people executed by piranha, devoured by starving dogs or thrown into vats of molten iron? All reported means of execution in North Korea.

[TheGreenGoblin]

Can we now move on to the people executed by piranha, devoured by starving dogs or thrown into vats of molten iron? All reported means of execution in North Korea.

Death by piranha, what a way to go John!

I choose death by Capri Parana...



or death by Mau Mau...

There's an Englishman, an Irishman and a Scotsman and they get lost in the jungle and captured by these cannibals.

The cannibals tell them to go into the jungle and pick 10 pieces of fruit each.

So they all go out, pick 10 pieces of fruit and bring them back to the 'cannibal chief'.

The chief said to the Englishman "so Englishman, now you must choose between death or Mau Mau". The Englishman said " I will not bow to you savagers, I'll choose Mau Mau" so they grab him and stick the 10 pieces of fruit (cherries) up his arse.

Then the Scotsman came along, he chose Mau Mau so they stuck his fruit (plums) up his arse.

Then the Irishman looked at his pineapples and said "I don't think I can stand the Mau Mau, I'll choose death" so the chief said to him "Death by Mau Mau"!

[llondel]

Gavin Newsom has repelled the GOP attempt to replace him as California governor. Looks like 2:1 in favour of him keeping his job, at least until the proper election next year.

[prospector]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/534936-profits ... aign=Email

''It notes that since the start of the intervention in Afghanistan in October 2001, Pentagon spending has totalled $14 trillion, with the US war budget increasing between 2002 and 2003 by more than the entire military spending of any other country. Between one-third and one-half of that total was pocketed by defense firms, which provided logistics and reconstruction, private security services and weapons – along the way, these contractors habitually engaged in “questionable or corrupt business practices,” including fraud, abuse, price-gouging and profiteering.''

"The firm’s insulation from prosecution may well be explained by Vice President Dick Cheney serving as its CEO between 1995 and 2000 – he still held stock options worth millions, and had received millions of thousands of dollars more in deferred compensation for his role, when the War on Terror began.

Cheney was also instrumental in the privatization of US warfare more widely. In 1992, under his direction as Defense Secretary, the Pentagon paid the parent company of Halliburton $3.9 million to produce a report on how private contractors could provide logistics in overseas theaters of conflict.""

Is anybody really suprised at these revelations??

[John Hill]

Capitalism at it's best!

[larsssnowpharter]

For what it is worth, I worked for Brown and Root Services (the Halliburton subsidiary providing logistics support for the US military) for a number of years.

A couple of points:

1. I never saw any corruption.
2. The money was good.
3. BRS was paid on a cost plus basis with a sliding scale going up to 9% based on performance targets.
4. A team of DoD accountants crawled over expenditure.
5. The US Army knew how to use contractors and our ability to move quickly and access local resources. I was regularly sitting in as an advisor to a general or senior Marine on teleconferences.
6. Once got a mild bollicking for rationalising a fleet of rental vehicles thus saving the US taxpayer a lot of dosh.
7. US employees very jealous that our salaries were tax free.

[John Hill]

There was that little bit of business in Nigeria..
https://www.sec.gov/news/press/2009/2009-23.htm

[larsssnowpharter]

Wasn't me, honest!

[OFSO]

Wonder if the Nigerian officials had to provide details of their bank accounts, addresses etc, and pay a fee to expedite the payment of funds into their accounts...

[llondel]

For what it is worth, I worked for Brown and Root Services (the Halliburton subsidiary providing logistics support for the US military) for a number of years.

A couple of points:

1. I never saw any corruption.
2. The money was good.
3. BRS was paid on a cost plus basis with a sliding scale going up to 9% based on performance targets.
4. A team of DoD accountants crawled over expenditure.
5. The US Army knew how to use contractors and our ability to move quickly and access local resources. I was regularly sitting in as an advisor to a general or senior Marine on teleconferences.
6. Once got a mild bollicking for rationalising a fleet of rental vehicles thus saving the US taxpayer a lot of dosh.
7. US employees very jealous that our salaries were tax free.

Having worked for a UK defence company as cost-plus contracts were coming to a close, they can produce some amazingly good bits of kit but are very prone to inefficiency. When your profit is a fixed percentage of what you spend then there's every incentive to justify all sorts of extra spending. Sometimes it meant a bit of "crazy" research that morphed into one of those bits of good kit, other times it was a lot less clear why the money was spent, but as it had all the attached paperwork, it was allowed. I seem to remember that as a "producer", my hourly rates were marked up with a near 200% overhead to pay for all the beancounters and planners.