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Re: Chaos in USA

#3201 Post by TheGreenAnger » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:21 am

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Never mind Dirty Harry!

San Francisco may allow police to deploy robots that kill
More like RoboCop or something from a dystopia conjured up by the tortured mind of Philip K Dick.

Actually, not so much RoboCop because that killer was partially human at least. More Terminator T-800, but in truth even that machine evidenced some human like empathy and judgement. Our real dystopia has murder meted out by the amoral superstate using dumb drones and autonomous miniature murder vehicles.

The self-interest of the superstate writ paramount.

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#3202 Post by OFSO » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:44 am

Was Rick Deckard ("Blade Runner") human or actually an Android used to eliminate other androids. As ever, Phillip Dick predicted the future. I thought the pre-arrests in his "Minority Report" would never happen but UK police are detaining people suspected of being about to commit an offence. All excused by keeping the rest of us safe...

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#3203 Post by TheGreenAnger » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:57 am

OFSO wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:44 am
Was Rick Deckard ("Blade Runner") human or actually an Android used to eliminate other androids. As ever, Phillip Dick predicted the future. I thought the pre-arrests in his "Minority Report" would never happen but UK police are detaining people suspected of being about to commit an offence. All excused by keeping the rest of us safe...
Yes, he did, although Orwell was on early dystopian target with the concept of "Thoughtcrime".

Of course, Orwell was attacking the tenets of English Socialism, but these totalitarian tendencies know no political or ideological boundaries, and are just as likely to be encountered in so-called democracies of either chirality, as they are of obvious totalitarian regimes (vide. China for example).
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#3204 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:09 pm

Amid outcry, San Francisco pauses on ‘killer police robots’
The police department said it had no plans to arm the robots with guns but wanted the ability to put explosives on them and use then to contact, incapacitate or disorient dangerous or armed suspects when lives are at risk.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ ... -rcna60522

SAN FRANCISCO — San Francisco supervisors voted Tuesday to put the brakes on a controversial policy that would have let police use robots for deadly force, reversing course just days after their approval of the plan generated fierce pushback and warnings about the militarization and automation of policing.

The Board of Supervisors voted unanimously to explicitly ban the use of robots in such a fashion for now. But they sent the issue back to a committee for further discussion and could vote in the future to let police use robots in a lethal manner in limited cases.

The board voted last week to allow the use of deadly robots in extreme circumstances. The police department said it had no plans to arm the robots with guns but wanted the ability to put explosives on them and use then to contact, incapacitate or disorient dangerous or armed suspects when lives are at risk.

The initial vote thrust the famously liberal city into the center of a debate about the future of technology and policing, with some saying arming robots was a step too close to something one would see in a dystopian science fiction movie. Though robot technology for policing has become more widely available, departments across the country have rarely used it to confront or kill suspects.

Three supervisors who rejected the policy from the beginning joined dozens of protesters Monday outside City Hall to urge the board to change course. They chanted and held signs with phrases like “We all saw that movie... No Killer Robots.”

Supervisor Dean Preston was among them, and on Tuesday he told his colleagues the public hadn’t been given enough time to voice their concerns about such a pressing issue.

“The people of San Francisco have spoken loud and clear: There is no place for killer police robots in our city,” he said in a statement after the vote. “We should be working on ways to decrease the use of force by local law enforcement, not giving them new tools to kill people.”

The vote was the result of a new state law that requires police departments to inventory equipment including certain guns, grenades, armored vehicles and battering rams and to seek explicit approval for their use. So far, only San Francisco and Oakland have discussed lethal robots as part of that law. Oakland police wanted to arm robots with shotguns but backed down in the face of public opposition, instead opting for pepper spray.

Some San Francisco officials wanted to proceed with allowing robots to use deadly force in certain cases, arguing nothing substantive had changed to warrant a reversal. But the vote to advance the broader police equipment policy — including the ban on lethal robots — passed unanimously.

It still allows police to use robots to check out potentially dangerous scenes so that officers can stay back.

“Having robots that have eyes and ears and can remove bombs, which happens from time to time, is something that we want the police department to do while we continue to have this very controversial discussion,” said Supervisor Aaron Peskin, who brought forward last week’s motion around the use of robots.

The new policy needs another vote to take effect.

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#3205 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:22 pm

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#3206 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:38 pm

Something Else To Worry About

Girl Scout mom kicked out of Radio City and barred from seeing Rockettes after facial recognition tech identified her

The mom, and lawyers like her who work for firms that are suing Radio City's parent company, MSG Entertainment, are barred from setting foot in its venues while litigation is ongoing.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/gi ... -rcna62606

An attorney from a law firm suing the parent company of Radio City Music Hall was kicked out of the venue while trying to see a Rockettes performance with her daughter and a pack of Girl Scouts after facial recognition technology identified her.

Kelly Conlon, a senior associate with the New Jersey personal injury firm Davis, Saperstein and Salomon — which is representing a client suing a restaurant owned by the parent company, MSG Entertainment — told NBC New York that security guards approached her and asked for identification as soon as she arrived to see the show on the weekend after Thanksgiving. The guards ultimately turned her away from the show even though she is not involved in her firm's litigation against the company, though Conlon’s daughter and the rest of the Girl Scouts were able to attend the performance, she told the station.

“I was just a mom taking my daughter to see a Christmas show,” she told NBC New York. “I did wait outside...It was embarrassing, it was mortifying.”

The firm’s partner, Sam Davis, told NBC New York that Conlon’s experience highlights the potential impacts of the widespread use of facial recognition technology, which has come under fire for contributing to wrongful arrests as a policing tool and surveilling people of color and other more vulnerable populations without their consent.

“Taking a mother, separating a mother from her daughter and Girl Scouts she was watching over — and to do it under the pretext of protecting any disclosure of litigation information — is absolutely absurd,” Davis told NBC New York. “The fact they’re using facial recognition to do this is frightening. It’s un-American to do this.”

The incident comes after MSG Entertainment, which also operates Madison Square Garden and several other major venues, introduced a policy in June barring lawyers from firms suing the company from setting foot in its venues while litigation is ongoing.

About two weeks before Conlon was barred from the show, her firm filed a complaint against the company's policy with the New York State Liquor Authority, alleging that MSG Entertainment’s liquor license requires it to admit members of the public to its venues, other than people who may be disruptive and cause a security threat, they told NBC New York.

A spokesperson for the SLA confirmed to NBC News the agency opened the investigation “as we do whenever we receive credible complaints,” adding that state law mandates that “all retail licensees allow the general public access into their premises.”

Davis, Saperstein and Salomon did not respond to questions from NBC News, including whether Conlon and other lawyers at the firm were made aware of MSG Entertainment’s policy. A spokesperson for MSG Entertainment said it notified the firm of the rule twice in recent months — including on the day the firm filed the complaint with the state liquor regulators.

MSG Entertainment told NBC News in a statement that facial recognition is just one of the methods they use to ensure safety, adding that officials are confident their policy is in compliance with all applicable laws.

The spokesperson declined to share how the company obtains data used in its facial recognition technology — though Davis, Saperstein and Salomon contains photos of its attorneys on its website. The spokesperson added that a sign outside Radio City Music Hall informs visitors that facial recognition technology is among the security measures it has in place.

The company spokesperson called its policy “straightforward” and said attorneys at firms pursuing litigation against it are welcome at its venues once the litigation is resolved.

“While we understand this policy is disappointing to some, we cannot ignore the fact that litigation creates an inherently adversarial environment,” MSG Entertainment’s statement continued. “All impacted attorneys were notified of the policy, including Davis, Saperstein and Salomon, which was notified twice. In this particular situation, only the one attorney who chose to attend despite being notified in advance that she would be denied entry, was not permitted to enter, and the rest of her group — including the Girl Scouts — were all able to attend and enjoy the show.”

The spokesperson added that its policy applies to all attorneys at a firm because the company doesn’t know which attorneys are working on litigation against it and it prevents the policy from personally targeting individual attorneys.

The policy has come under fire from several firms involved in lawsuits against it, some of whom have unsuccessfully challenged the ban in court; at a hearing last month, Chancellor Kathaleen McCormick of Delaware Chancery Court called the policy “the stupidest thing I’ve ever read,” Reuters reported.

New York court records show that there are more than 20 active lawsuits pending against MSG Entertainment and its properties in the state.

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#3207 Post by Boac » Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:00 pm

Panic sets in as the right to bare arms is withdrawn in the Missouri House of Representatives.

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#3208 Post by Boac » Sat Jan 14, 2023 4:38 pm

Don't try to steal a guitar in Albuquerque =))


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#3209 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:11 pm

..unless you are black, female, transgender,...etc.

So, no bare arms in Missouri. But..?
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#3210 Post by PHXPhlyer » Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:03 pm

U.S. has had 39 mass shootings in just 24 days so far this year.
Now dogs want a part of the action.


Man dies after dog steps on rifle, causing it to discharge, Kansas officials say
The shooting of the 30-year-old unfolded in a truck on a country road about 46 miles south of Wichita, Wellington Fire and EMS Chief Tim Hay said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... -rcna67150

A man died in Kansas on Saturday after officials believe he was struck by a rifle that discharged after a dog stepped on it.

The shooting unfolded around 9:40 a.m. in a truck on the 1600 block of East 80th Street, a country road about 46 miles south of Wichita, Wellington Fire and EMS Chief Tim Hay told NBC News. The dog stepped on the rifle in the back of the truck, causing it to fire and hit the back of the man, who was found in the front passenger seat, he said.

Emergency medical personnel administered CPR before the 30-year-old victim, whose name has not yet been released, was pronounced dead at the scene, according to Hay.

Another person who was in the driver's seat was physically unharmed, he said.

It was not immediately clear who owned the truck and the dog or who called 911.

The investigation is ongoing, but officials say it appears to be a hunting-related accident, according to the Sumner County Sheriff’s Office, which added that hunting gear was also found in the back of the car.

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#3211 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 24, 2023 10:01 pm

Given the stupidity of leaving a loaded rifle in the back of a truck, I suspect it was the dog who called 911.

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#3212 Post by prospector » Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:50 pm

Over 50% of Americans voted for this person

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/presid ... tion-women

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#3213 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:58 pm

At least he doesn't grab them inappropriately like his predecessor claimed to be able to.

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#3214 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:58 pm

At least he doesn't grab them inappropriately like his predecessor claimed to be able to.

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#3215 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:00 am

Over 50% of Americans voted for this person
No.
Over 50% of Americans who voted and whose votes were counted apparently voted for Biden.

Only 34% of eligible voters were actually counted as voting for Biden.

In fact, the turnout hasn't been this high since 1900.

Were this many people suddenly inspired by such an awesome candidate?
That's 5% higher turnout than when Kennedy was elected.

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#3216 Post by prospector » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:48 am

No, Apparently the physical turnout to vote was very low, The number of votes was only high because of the new voting system, wide open to fraud. Mail in voting with no requirement to prove you are who you say you are. That the system was open to fraud is not debatable, it has been proven that dead people voted, not many proven,granted, but possible under this mail in system. Another disaster due Covid.

Not being American I can only try and sort out what is fact by what is published in various news outlets. I find it hard to believe Biden collected more votes than Obama in his prime. or as you say higher than Kennedy.

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#3217 Post by llondel » Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:39 am

prospector wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:48 am
Not being American I can only try and sort out what is fact by what is published in various news outlets. I find it hard to believe Biden collected more votes than Obama in his prime. or as you say higher than Kennedy.
I would say some number of them were not voting for Biden, but against Trump. That is what inspired the higher turnout, a rejection of the previous four years and a desire to stop it continuing for another four. Perhaps he'll inspire a similar high turnout in 2024 if he gets the Republican nomination.

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#3218 Post by PHXPhlyer » Fri Feb 03, 2023 4:02 am

llondel wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 3:39 am
prospector wrote:
Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:48 am
Not being American I can only try and sort out what is fact by what is published in various news outlets. I find it hard to believe Biden collected more votes than Obama in his prime. or as you say higher than Kennedy.
I would say some number of them were not voting for Biden, but against Trump. That is what inspired the higher turnout, a rejection of the previous four years and a desire to stop it continuing for another four. Perhaps he'll inspire a similar high turnout in 2024 if he gets the Republican nomination.
My sentiments as well.
More anti-Trump than pro-Biden,

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#3219 Post by Dushan » Fri Feb 03, 2023 8:58 pm

prospector wrote:
Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:50 pm
Over 50% of Americans voted for this person

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/presid ... tion-women
Well, for once he may be right. The other 50% of his cabinet could be like this guy/gal...

For those who don't know who this is google Sam Brinton


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#3220 Post by barkingmad » Tue Feb 14, 2023 3:38 pm

Meanwhile back on the thread topic, as the homo "sapiens" hunting season gets under way this year in the USA, maybe it's appropriate to look back (maybe in impotent anger?) at the previous few years of tragedy and suffering and pause for thought?

https://www.insider.com/number-of-mass- ... ear-2022-5

Having digested those horrific incidents, the 44 separate pages in the brown column of figures is stark enough, everyone asks about gun control as if the guns were leaping out of their secure containers at home or the car gloveboxes and going on the rampage.

However, the uncomfortable truth is that the senseless acts of violence are being carried out by 21st Century hominidae* for mostly unexplained reasons and motives.

* hominid: [noun] any of a family (Hominidae) of erect bipedal primate mammals that includes recent humans together with extinct ancestral and related forms and in some recent classifications the gorilla, chimpanzee, and orangutan.

The elephant in the room, which most are ignoring, is the part played by our current friends BigPharma and their subservient army of carefully programmed family doctors taught in specially restricted medical schools which were taken over years ago by the Rockefeller empire.

https://humansbefree.com/2016/07/wester ... e-way.html

So now the slaughter of innocents is being executed by the recipients of these products with evidence emerging of the contribution played by medication, it's prescribing and the effects of withdrawal for whatever reason.

But to discuss this aspect of an otherwise mysterious phenomenon is to confront that elephant and possibly divert the rage of the victims and relatives away from guns and towards those lovely folks with white coats and stethoscopes and their paymasters.

However, out there some are becoming aware of the pharmaceutical link, which if the secret gets out might reflect unfavourably on those who've striven diligently over the past 3 years to keep us all safe;

https://www.naturalnews.com/039752_mass ... sants.html

A simple goggle or duckduck search with the phrase "psychiatric drugs and mass shootings" will throw up a mass of articles on the topic and maybe some of our USA members might be able to cast some light from across the pond? :-?

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