Chaos in USA

[OFSO]

Looking at the flooding down the coast here two days ago, residents could not make they way out of their front doors against the pressure of water coming in. They had to be lifted out by two firemen standing outside and passed to others in the street. It would require more foresight that New Yorkers possess to leave their homes in advance (needless to day leaving it liable to looting) and besides, we are told, such intense rain had never happened before.

[Undried Plum]

A tragic loos of life in the USA from the flooding, but I cannot understand why people died 'trapped' in their basements? Surely with a warning of floods the basement would not be a sensible place to shelter?

They're trained to shelter in the basement during hurricanes and tornados.

They're not trained to think for themselves. They trained what to think, not how to think. That's a major problem for the whole world, not just them.

[Dushan]

A tragic loos of life in the USA from the flooding, but I cannot understand why people died 'trapped' in their basements? Surely with a warning of floods the basement would not be a sensible place to shelter?

They recently moved from Kansas and Oklahoma.

[Undried Plum]

Many UK friends have been surprised when I have pointed out that Capetown to Joburg is about the same distance as London to Vienna!

Kristiansand to Nordkapp is about the the same distance as Olso to Rome.

As an adenoindal Cockney might say: Not a lot of people know dat.

[John Hill]

LAX is closer to LHR than it is to CHC

[Undried Plum]

It took a Nya Zilluner to rescue a stoopid Murricane.

Gordon Vette is one of my heroes.

The movie is slightly wrong, but gives a good idea of what happened.

[llondel]

A tragic loos of life in the USA from the flooding, but I cannot understand why people died 'trapped' in their basements? Surely with a warning of floods the basement would not be a sensible place to shelter?

It's not a "basement", it's their home in most cases. that's where they live and the thought of water flooding down on them probably never occurred until it was too late. They probably didn't have anywhere else to go and sheltering at home from the storm seemed like a good idea until it wasn't.

[Boac]

erm - in English it IS a basement.

[John Hill]

It took a Nya Zilluner to rescue a stoopid Murricane.

Gordon Vette is one of my heroes.

The movie is slightly wrong, but gives a good idea of what happened.

The facts are only vaguely represented, the accents are cringe-worthy and what happened to the number two engine on the DC-10? To be fair I think I have seen a worse version of this.

[Undried Plum]

The actual true story is so much better than the Hollywood version.

[John Hill]

The actual true story is so much better than the Hollywood version.

Do you remember this story?
https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-521325.html

[PHXPhlyer]

Boy, 4, dies after being shot in head as gun violence plagues Chicago's Labor Day weekend

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/bo ... s-n1278566

Boy, 4, dies after being shot in head as gun violence plagues Chicago's Labor Day weekend
"These innocent young children should not be the byproduct of your criminal behavior," Police Superintendent David O. Brown said Monday to those linked to the violence.

A 4-year-old boy who was randomly shot in the head died Sunday from his injuries, police said, one of at least eight children and dozens of others wounded in Chicago over a Labor Day weekend punctuated by gun violence.

The death of Mychal Moultry Jr. on Friday evening set off a holiday weekend that has had police scrambling to investigate scores of crime scenes across the city.

Moultry was getting his hair styled in the front part of a home when two bullets ripped through a window and struck him in the head, Rahman Muhammad, deputy chief of the Chicago police's detective division, told reporters Monday.

Detectives continued to canvass the area and look for witnesses. "We definitely need the help from the public to further this investigation," Muhammad said.

Besides Moultry, at least three others were killed over the weekend, while at least 53 people were injured by gunfire, according to police.

Muhammad also shared limited details in some of the nonfatal shootings involving juveniles.


On Saturday, an 11-year-old was grazed by a bullet and a 14-year-old was hit in the ankle when multiple shots were fired into a crowd at a back-to-school event at a gas station. A 25-year-old in attendance was also shot multiple times.

On Saturday evening, bullets tore through a basement window, striking a 13-year-old.

Early Sunday morning, a 14-year-old was involved in a shooting as he walked with his father to their car. Also on Sunday, a 17-year-old traveling in a car after a party was caught up in gunfire.

The extent of those injuries was unclear, and suspects in the various incidents have not been caught.

Chicago Police Superintendent David O. Brown told reporters that the shootings involving children typically fall into three categories: someone else is being targeted while young people are innocent bystanders; the shootings are occurring at homes while the targeted person is visiting a relative, and again, the children are bystanders; and the children are targeted in cases of mistaken identity.

"There are few if any circumstances where our young people are directly being targeted," Brown said.

"Not in a condescending way, I would encourage you as a family to protect your children from people in your family on the wrong side of the law," Brown said.

He also spoke directly to people who are the intended targets of the gun violence.

"Why are you continuing to be around young people — our children?" he asked. "That's on you. We will hold offenders accountable, but why are you living a life of crime involving innocent 4 year olds?"

"Stay away from children if you want to live that life," Brown added. "These innocent young children should not be the byproduct of your criminal behavior."

Brown also asked residents, even if they may be wary of police, to come forward if they have information in these cases so that the children can have justice.

Gun violence has soared in Chicago this year with a 67 percent increase in shootings in the first seven months of 2021 compared to 2019, NBC Chicago reported.

Murders in the city have reached 524 in the first eight months of the year, up 55 percent from the same period in 2019, according to the city's police data.

Cities across the country are facing surges in violent crime, prompting the White House to encourage communities to use Covid-19 relief plan money to hire police officers and put into place new crime prevention programs.

Chicago was chosen by the Justice Department in July along with four other cities — New York, Washington, Los Angeles and San Francisco — as the focus of the administration's effort to combat gun trafficking.

I guess it is a good thing that none of these shooters have better aim. 4 killed and 53 wounded.

Pet peeve:
Bullets tore through
Bullets ripped through
Gunfire erupted
A hail of bullets
Peals of gunfire

PP

[Dushan]

My bullets must all be defective as they never do any of these things on their own, like the ones in Chicago do.

[boing]

Cities across the country are facing surges in violent crime, prompting the White House to encourage communities to use Covid-19 relief plan money to hire police officers and put into place new crime prevention programs.

Of course this is just the opposite to what the liberally controlled US cities have been doing where the cry has been to defund the police and replace police officers with social workers. This is simply a ruse to allow the politicians in the liberal cities to continue to appear to defund the police while replacing city funding by Federal funding, this way the local politicians get "credible deniability" and they can still claim they are really defunding the police. The "Covid-19 relief plan money" the Federal government wishes to spend was funded by Trump as part of his more far-sighted Covid recovery plans.

Unfortunately it is not simply a matter of trying to hire more police officers, the job itself has been made more toxic. For example, Portland used to have a group of 50 officers who volunteered to man a specialist anti-riot unit but they all resigned when the city removed their traditional liability protection. Now, although the city has realized they made a serious mistake and wish to reform the unit none of the volunteers will return to it because they do not want to risk the legal dangers of frivolous law suits filed by the groups they interact with.

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[Boac]

Spare a thought at 08:45 EDT

[Karearea]

^ will do.

[John Hill]

For example, Portland used to have a group of 50 officers who volunteered to man a specialist anti-riot unit but they all resigned when the city removed their traditional liability protection.

That seems to be thinly disguised bull shift as it is reported the anti-riot team resigned after an officer was indicted on an assault charge stemming from alleged illegal use of force during a protest last year.

Now I don't know about you but I sure would not like to live where police are free to use illegal use of force on protestors, or anyone else.

[boing]

A line of police were moving forward in formation and the person shoved over stood in the path of the line and did not retreat or move out of the way. The officer pushed the person down with his baton held horizontally in both hands, he did not strike the person as in a blow he pushed her down. His actions were basically in line with previous training but the interpretation of the event was changed by the city management resulting in an assault charge. This is what I mean by "removed their traditional liability protection".

If you stand in the way of a line of advancing police officers during a riot you can expect to go down. Personally I have seen so much of this juvenile behavior from the rioters that I would not have objected to the officer leaving a line of footprints along her body which I am sure will horrify you.

Now I don't know about you but I sure would not like to live where police are free to use illegal use of force on protestors, or anyone else.

That's rich coming from someone who has lived in North Korea and apparently thinks it is heaven.

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[John Hill]

That's rich coming from someone who has lived in North Korea and apparently thinks it is heaven.

The style of police brutality you admire is more likely in Afghanistan after 20 years of US nation building.

[Karearea]

Spare a thought at 08:45 EDT

Time goes on.
This year I have been struck by the number of people who say, "I wasn't born then" or "I was just a little kid then" and don't remember, but they "remember Mom crying".
For the first time I notice the difference in impact on those who lived through an event, and those who come later and learn about it.
At a firefighters' memorial I've touched a piece of WTC steel, felt compelled to make that connection.
May the souls of those who were taken rest in peace.