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#3181 Post by John Hill » Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:31 pm

I am so, so comforted to be reminded that the world is in such capable hands.
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#3182 Post by Seenenough » Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:17 pm

I suspect that Hurricane Ian with be the most costly to ever hit the US looking at the destruction that the News is now showing and the worst part is that it is not done yet and is regaining strength.

It will not be long and we will soon see the political plays going on with an election being so close.

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#3183 Post by prospector » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:32 am

https://www.rt.com/news/564475-tulsi-ga ... aign=Email

It would appear that the only sensible ex Democrat has seen the light, hopefully will end up a very senior Republican.

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FILE PHOTO: Tulsi Gabbard speaks during a news conference in New York, October 29, 2019 © AP / Mary Altaffer
Former US Congresswoman and 2020 presidential candidate Tulsi Gabbard has announced her departure from the Democratic Party, arguing that it has fallen under the control of “an elitist cabal of warmongers.” Establishment Democrats have long called on Gabbard to leave the party and declare herself a Republican.

“I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers,” Gabbard declared in a video message on Tuesday. "

" President Joe Biden’s party colleagues, she continued, are “driven by cowardly wokeness, who divide us by racializing every issue and stoking anti-white racism…who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality…who believe in open borders, who weaponize the national security state to go after their political opponents, and above all, who are dragging us ever closer to nuclear war.”

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#3184 Post by Woody » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:23 am

I refer the honourable member to my earlier answer :ymdevil:
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#3185 Post by Woody » Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:06 am

My parents moved to Hungerford, after Michael Ryan, but I met relatives of those killed, not intentionally, just trying to get on with their lives, how this Jones creature and his followers can spread their lies is abhorrent, free speech comes with responsibilities.

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#3186 Post by prospector » Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:03 am

An interesting interview on American politics as they stand now.


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#3188 Post by barkingmad » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:42 pm

Getting back to the OP erewego again;

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/11/ ... n-colorado

I suppose we’ll hear the usual “never again” comments from politicos and journos but nothing will change...

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#3189 Post by barkingmad » Wed Nov 23, 2022 9:27 am

Sadly it’s happened again and is now no longer literally remarkable;

“What's been happening?
Police officers and emergency services are still at the scene of a shooting at a Walmart store in Chesapeake, Virginia. If you're just joining us, here's a recap of the latest developments:

Up to 10 people were killed and multiple people were injured in the shooting, police say
The attack happened at 22:12 local time (03:12 GMT) on Tuesday night
The gunman was found dead at the store, police confirm
Walmart said it is "shocked" at the attack and is "working closely" with law enforcement
Virginia state Senator L. Louise Lucas says she is "absolutely heartbroken" and another Senator for Virginia, Mark Warner, says he is "sickened"
The City of Chesapeake asked the public stay away from the store to give first responders space to investigate”.

Allegedly it was the store manager who did the shooting, completing the job by shooting himself.

More evidence of mass psychosis and easily available firearms but attempts to remove the hardware are foundering on a lack of trust in what the US guvvment would do to the population if there’s wasn’t a ‘balance’ of arms held by the aggrieved peasants.

And so it will be repeated with nobody having a clue as to how to stop it without further bloodshed... ~X(

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#3190 Post by OFSO » Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:02 am

62 multiple/mass shootings so far in November '22. Over this side of the pond we just roll our eyes and move on. It's a USA thing.

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#3191 Post by barkingmad » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:55 pm

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Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:02 am
62 multiple/mass shootings so far in November '22. Over this side of the pond we just roll our eyes and move on. It's a USA thing.
Unless of course it's on our own doorstep?

https://www.quora.com/How-many-mass-sho ... rs?share=1

Then it hurts more, but the usual claptrap will be trotted out about 'lessons learned' and 'procedures have been reviewed and improved'.

Feel free to produce typical soothing noises from imaginary authorities for such an event in your home country, prizes for the most original and genuine sounding... X(

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#3192 Post by OFSO » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:19 pm

We don't have mass shootings as such in Catalunia: instead 'hunters' shoot each other out in the forests, and I approve of that.

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#3193 Post by G-CPTN » Wed Nov 23, 2022 2:33 pm

I remember when a schoolfriend who had emigrated to Canada returned on holiday wearing his hunting jacket - a bright orange coloured fleece.
He explained that it was essential to wear a coloured garment rather than camouflage if you wanted to avoid being shot in error - a sad reflection on the state of affairs IMO.

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#3194 Post by llondel » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:28 pm

barkingmad wrote:
Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:55 pm
OFSO wrote:
Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:02 am
62 multiple/mass shootings so far in November '22. Over this side of the pond we just roll our eyes and move on. It's a USA thing.
Unless of course it's on our own doorstep?

https://www.quora.com/How-many-mass-sho ... rs?share=1

Then it hurts more, but the usual claptrap will be trotted out about 'lessons learned' and 'procedures have been reviewed and improved'.

Feel free to produce typical soothing noises from imaginary authorities for such an event in your home country, prizes for the most original and genuine sounding... X(
They can still happen anywhere, so throwing in a handful of incidents over the past 30 years doesn't show up anything except to note that the US has that many in a week. The thing is that in most parts of the world, action is taken, but in the US there's just a run on thoughts and prayers and nothing useful happens.

Criminals (as in those who live on the wrong side of the law) will always be able to get guns, but they don't tend to be the ones engaged in mass shootings unless it's gang-related.

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#3195 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:30 pm

Almost universally, where states require that a safety vest or some other fluorescent colored attire be worn, the said hunter will be sporting camouflage under it. =))

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#3196 Post by talmacapt » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:47 pm

Hunters shooting each other is a regular occurence here in Finland too.

It saddens me that I have to wear bright clothes, although not mandated, in the forest for my protection.

Quite odd coming from UK.

What happened to "don't shoot until you see the whites of the eyes".

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#3197 Post by OFSO » Wed Nov 23, 2022 4:51 pm

When the hunting fraternity go into the woods after wild boar here they post a guard on the entry tracks from the road to stop walkers or bikers going in.

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#3198 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Nov 30, 2022 12:34 am

Never mind Dirty Harry!

San Francisco may allow police to deploy robots that kill

The San Francisco Police Department said it would like the option to deploy robots equipped with explosive charges to disable suspects when lives are at stake.

https://www.12news.com/article/news/nat ... cdbed97028

SAN FRANCISCO — Police in San Francisco could get the ability to deploy potentially lethal, remote-controlled robots in emergency situations if supervisors of the politically Democratic city grant permission Tuesday in a highly watched board vote.

Police oversight groups are urging the 11-member San Francisco Board of Supervisors to reject the idea, saying it would lead to further militarization of a police force already too aggressive with poor and minority communities. They said the parameters under which use would be allowed are too vague.

The San Francisco Police Department said it does not have pre-armed robots and has no plans to arm robots with guns. But the department could deploy robots equipped with explosive charges “to contact, incapacitate, or disorient violent, armed, or dangerous suspect” when lives are at stake, SFPD spokesperson Allison Maxie said in a prepared statement.

“Robots equipped in this manner would only be used in extreme circumstances to save or prevent further loss of innocent lives,” she said.

The proposed policy does not lay out specifics for how the weapons can and cannot be equipped, leaving open the option to arm them. “Robots will only be used as a deadly force option when risk of loss of life to members of the public or officers is imminent and outweighs any other force option available to SFPD,” it says.

The vote comes under a new California state law that requires police and sheriffs departments to inventory military grade equipment and seek approval for their use. San Francisco police currently have a dozen functioning ground robots used to assess bombs or provide eyes in low visibility situations, the department says. They were acquired between 2010 and 2017.

The state law was authored last year by San Francisco City Attorney David Chiu while he was an assemblymember. It is aimed at giving the public a forum and voice in the acquisition and use of military grade weapons that have a negative effect on communities, according to the legislation.

San Francisco police did not immediately respond to a question about how the robots were acquired, but a federal program has dispensed grenade launchers, camouflage uniforms, bayonets, armored vehicles and other surplus military equipment to help local law enforcement.

In 2017, then-President Donald Trump signed an order reviving the Pentagon program after his predecessor, Barack Obama, curtailed it in 2015, triggered in part by outrage over the use of military gear during protests in Ferguson, Missouri, after the shooting death of Michael Brown.

Like many places around the U.S., San Francisco is trying to balance public safety with treasured civilian rights such as privacy and the ability to live free of excessive police oversight. In September, supervisors agreed to a trial run allowing police to access in real time private surveillance camera feeds in certain circumstances.

Dissenting supervisors said they were astonished that a city that cherished its activism, diversity and privacy would even consider giving such powers to law enforcement.

The San Francisco Public Defender's office sent a letter Monday to the board saying that granting police “the ability to kill community members remotely" cuts against San Francisco's progressive values. The public defender's office would like the board to reinstate language prohibiting the police from using robots in a show of force against any person.

The Oakland Police Department across the San Francisco Bay dropped a similar proposal after public backlash.

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#3199 Post by boing » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:13 am

There are now several "secret" branches of law enforcement/government agencies equipped and trained to perform military style duties - duties that are beyond military regulations. This bomb idea is a public extension of this.

The Posse Concomitus Act states that there will be no federal forces used on US soil, these civilian but paramilitary forces are being used to perform an end-run around the "inconvenient" parts of the Act.

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#3200 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:35 am

Supplying tanks and robot bombers to civilian police who, for example, can't cope with a woman with a funny accent reporting a crime - what could go wrong?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Justine_Damond

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