Chaos in USA

[AtomKraft]

The long term is a lot worse than that!

Once we've forgotten the differences between men and women, what will we lose track of next?
How to breathe?

It's a shame for intersex people, and trans sexuals, but let's not let their misfortune screw up the normal people.

Men are men, and women are woman. It has to stay that way.

If you feel really strongly about transgender people, gays etc, let them have their OWN Sports category.

So, we can have the men's 100 metres. The ladies 100 metres and the **** 100 metres.
That fair enough for ya?

Don't spoil it for the girls by letting confused men join in playing Netball!

Personally, I think it's about time these LGBTQ folk were told 'enough is enough', or other much stronger versions of the same sentiment.....

[barkingmad]

Slasher, Old Lady Greer has got herself into trouble with the ‘Trans Stasi’ for statements such as this;



She is also quoted as saying the ‘highly offensive’ comment regarding surgical sex reassignment here- “I’ve asked my doctor to give me long ears and liver spots and I’m going to wear a brown coat, but that won’t turn me into a cocker spaniel”.

Brilliant! That’s why the tranny snowflakes have had her no-platformed at various so-called university campuses.

Also I recommend watching the YouTube vids of ‘Posie Parker’ on the topic. There are troops out there fighting for but their noise of battle is drowned out by the cacophony of PC and “intersectionality”. Please don’t ask me for the definition of that last word, it’s another (probably US constructed) word to describe this dangerous twaddle which has ruined many respectable academics amongst others!

[Boac]

If you feel really strongly about transgender people, gays etc, let them have their OWN Sports category.

So, we can have the men's 100 metres. The ladies 100 metres and the **** 100 metres.
That fair enough for ya?

I think that is an excellent solution.

[Slasher]

My respect for Greer has risen by quite a percentage!

Anyway my original post (for those of you who actually read it and viewed at least the first video in toto) was a direct criticism of the loathesome Dems and the fact that men, by law, can now compete in women-only physical sports in the USA, and the concern that it could spread to other Western countries. That’s why I posted it in this particular thread. What I personally think of trannys is my own business and was never mentioned.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

People who identify as female should be allowed to compete in female events. Anything else means the PC snowflake crowd are getting the freebies without the negative consequences. The only solution to snowflakery is to have everybody who could be p!ssed at their idiocy actually p!ssed at their idiocy, with real, daily consequences. This also helps sort out what actually is snowflakery, and what is a reasonable change to counter historic ignorance. Same with everything else. People who can't be trusted to drink or vape before age 21 shouldn't be trusted with the Vote, etc. Trying to find workarounds does not work, costs vast amounts, and just extends the misery. Right, let's have campaigns to get more women into the sewage industry, and more men into teaching and admin assistant jobs.

[BenThere]

I haven't really thought this through, but it occurred to me the best solution might be to just have a single 100 meters open to all takers, and let the best runner win. Downstream competitors can organize their own competitions and segregate themselves as they choose.

My overall take on all these sexual and identity issues has always been that Freedom is what I was fighting for, so if someone chooses to live a life along a different path than I am on, Godspeed! It's not for me to judge.

Early next year I will be celebrating my 25th anniversary with my jewel of a wife. To me we have life as it should be - happy together. I'm a straight white male, not so popular these days it sometimes seems, but my conclusion remains that it works for me. What others choose is their own business.

Final point is that bedroom matters are best left in the bedroom. They should not be mass social issues, and neither exalted or excoriated, by Hollywood, politicians, or any one else. My only caveat is that homosexuals, transgenders and such are biological dead ends and generally take their participating individuals out of the gene pool. As many of the great creative minds in literature, music and history in general have been homosexual it presents a conundrum.

[barkingmad]

Moving sideways from athletes and gender issues, I wonder how many here would agree with Chris Hedges' take on the future, or lack of it, in these troubled times.



It appears that even before the 21st Century plague got loose that the US was in deep systematic and structural trouble and now that Covid-19 hovers over an administration which is showing it's flaws how much longer before things begin to turn nasty?
I'm not pushing this as an anti-US argument as most western countries who have gone down the corporate greed and globalisation path are also well on the way to this destination.
But as we in Europe and other capitalism-dominated countries slide inexorably in the same direction, just as we have always copied what's happening in USA, perhaps we could arrest the decline and fall prior to our own arrival in that awful situation?
And also we don't have the widespread AR15 automatic weapon and other firearms ownership problem evident there which will make life very difficult for those who try to re-establish some form of law & order after the social revolution which might very well occur.

Hot off the press:

[BenThere]

I watched the whole video, barkingmad. Chris made some good points about the troubles in America, but his pointing out the enemies and villains, Christians, conservatives, armed citizens, et al., as the authors of our woes, in my opinion, is inapt, as I think of that same general group as our saviors, not our demons. The villain is the left-wing bent of much of the electorate.

The squalor in America exists mostly in jurisdictions run by Democrats. I believe that's a significant distinction. Mr. Hedges is a Bernie Sanders-type, left-wing ideologue. He is bright and well-spoken, but grievously misguided. By definition he loves the urban mentality but loathes the results and blames it today on President Trump and the Republicans. A view I suspect you wholeheartedly endorse.

The US has never been an empire. It has taken territories, The Philippines, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, Okinawa, Samoa, Panama, et al., but always either offered plebiscites or simply ceded those entities to their former sovereigns. If I'm not mistaken, all of those entities, when given the option, have elected to join the US.

The US has been through some tough and challenging times but the Star Spangled Banner is still there. I don't think the current challenges signal the 'end of the empire'. Our best days are yet ahead, and President Trump isn't the villain too many think he is, but rather a bulwark in the continuation of our winning streak. When I was recently given the choice of either staying at my paradise in Mexico last month, or risking not being able to return to the States for an undefined period, my wife and I chose to come home, tout suite. That decision was easily clear.

By the way, it's the AR-15, not the AR-14 rifle. Joe Biden and Chris Hedges both got that wrong, too, and on camera. The AR-15 is a semi-automatic, not an automatic rifle. There are hundreds of semi-automatic models, pistols, rifles, even shotguns on the American market. I could go out and buy one today. That's the way I like it, but I already have three firearms in my home, a .45 semi pistol, a .22 semi rifle, and a 5 round 12 gage pump shotgun, and they are adequate to my needs.

[barkingmad]

BenThere, I’m not sure if you’ve watched the same video as the one in post #87?

If your response is a cool calm analytical scrutiny of the Chris Hedges video, then I have some concern for your English language comprehension, your ability to hear audible evidence and to comment appropriately.

May I suggest you re-watch and more importantly LISTEN to the words of the presenter and his guest with your analysis wording in front of you and really decide whether your spiel in response is worth the reading.

The first few seconds of the video do not verify your comments and as a resident of the UK, as previously mentioned in this thread, I am concerned about the proliferation of armaments in your country, a fact about which you seem inordinately proud. Your description of your personal armoury fails dismally to impress me and the correction of AR-14 by AR-15 only serves to highlight your personal obsession with firearms.

Your middle paragraph ignores the widespread damage inflicted on countries around the globe by US interference. If by plebiscite you mean Operation Gladio in Italy, post WW2, then your idea of democracy does not conform to the accepted meaning of that word.

Until your country felt the full force of terrorism on it’s own soil your fellow Americans were very happy to fundraise, to purchase and to organise the shipment of Armalites and explosives to the IRA resulting in terrible slaughter and permanent injury to ordinary folk on either side of the Irish Border and the Irish Sea. That is a bit of recent history which your nation has all too readily forgotten in the rush to clamp a military presence around the former Russian bases near the oil-rich “-Stan” countries and more meddling in the Middle East.

Go revisit the Hedges talk and try to produce a proper critique which does not ooze your own political bias at every pore.

[TheGreenGoblin]

BenThere, I’m not sure if you’ve watched the same video as the one in post #87?

Go revisit the Hedges talk and try to produce a proper critique which does not ooze your own political bias at every pore.

+1

[Jetex Jim]

Speaking as a German citizen, a country that benefited immensely from the influence of the USA and in particular the American lawyers who drafted the new German constitution in 1945 I can only be saddened by what I hear from my friends in Florida and Michigan regarding the state of things in the USA.

To me one of the most disturbing aspects of the Hedges' video are his comments regarding the rise of the Christian right. The power of pre-enlightenment thinking in the USA is very scary.

[ian16th]

Until your country felt the full force of terrorism on it’s own soil your fellow Americans were very happy to fundraise, to purchase and to organise the shipment of Armalites and explosives to the IRA resulting in terrible slaughter and permanent injury to ordinary folk on either side of the Irish Border and the Irish Sea.

+1

When I was in Boston, as an Englishman, I kept away from certain area's.

[Seenenough]

The Troubling Case of Chris Hedges
Pulitzer winner. Lefty hero. Plagiarist.
By CHRISTOPHER KETCHAM

Hedges is just another left leaning political hack

[Undried Plum]

Forget about the obsession with chirality which so misleads simple-minded tribalists. Forget about the usual attack_the_messenger routine.

It's not only fascist empires like the USA which come to an end. They all do. No exceptions.

Read John Glubb's book. He describes the common phases which lead to the end of an Empire.

America's fascist Empire is quite certainly approaching its final end. Two, maybe three decades at most. Perhaps little more than ten years from now it will finally be all over.

The only things propping it up is an insane level of aggressive militarism and the exorbitant privilege of the dollar being a reserve currency. The latter is already coming to an end. The former now looks increasingly absurd to most of the world. Until Korea/Vietnam America had never lost a war. Since then, it hasn't won one.

It's over, all bar the shouting. Chump is merely accelerating the process, stupidly.

[barkingmad]

U P, "It's over, all bar the shouting. Chump is merely accelerating the process, stupidly." May I correct you, it's "fake noos, stoopidly"!

Chris Hedges has a powerfully delivered speech on the topic of Fascism in the good old USA for which I will provide a link if anyone here is interested.

I am inclined to differ with you on the timescale of the end of the American Empire. The existing structural cracks, the false economy which seems to have no visible means of support just like a successful prostitute or brothel madam, lead me to worry about how soon their house of cards will collapse.

As long ago as the dreaded Twin Towers attack on NYC, it was alleged that one of the reasons for the subsequent attack on Iraq was that Saddam Hussein was planning to export his oil and to collect the revenues in Euros instead of US Greenbacks and set an example to the rest of the ME oil exporters who were fed up with being tied to Uncle Sam and his dodgy failing currency.

Since then the US economy is sooooh much in hock to the Chinese and now the combination of the Covid-19 crisis and the aggressive attitude of the Chump administration seem to spell disaster for the Neo-Cons and corporate loonies who've taken over the country so I'm trying to brace for the coming disaster which has been described as equal to or worse than 1926 and all that.

But our O-N members resident west of 30W seem to think they're in good shape and thanks to their personal armoury of AR**s, or whatever this month's mass slaughter weapon is designated, will see them through the Right-Wing Fundamentalist shootout at the (not) OK Corral which seems inevitable.

Remember their C-in-C's proclamation, "I know more about (insert specialist topic) than anyone here"?

[Jetex Jim]

When will the collapse of the USA commence?

Arguably it has already started.

In the current crises the response of the Federal government has been miserable and it must be said that President Trump has contributed to this. When the different states must compete for critically needed medical supplies and equipment can anyone doubt that madness prevails?

When this COVID-19 crisis is over look out for the first signs of the end of the USA. States like California and New York will be amongst the first to shrug off the yoke of Washington and the President.

[PHXPhlyer]

My tax dollars at work.
This makes me sick!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... y-n1180786

PP

[Jetex Jim]

As long ago as the dreaded Twin Towers attack on NYC, it was alleged that one of the reasons for the subsequent attack on Iraq was that Saddam Hussein was planning to export his oil and to collect the revenues in Euros instead of US Greenbacks and set an example to the rest of the ME oil exporters who were fed up with being tied to Uncle Sam and his dodgy failing currency.

Well spotted BM and here we see the origins of the anti EU rhetoric that has dominated politics to the present day.

And this rhetoric, of course, has energised the various patsies who have been persuaded that the strawman of the EU has been the cause of all their troubles.

But I'll leave it to you to figure out who is to be included amongst those patsies...

[Wodrick]

My tax dollars at work.
This makes me sick!
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... y-n1180786

PP

404 page not found

[barkingmad]

I also get a 404 for that link. Is the story anywhere in amongst this lot?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house

So many news snippets on the NBC site, obviously...

Same link posted elsewhere in O-N produced this;

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white- ... y-n1180786

Is this the story you were linking, PHX?