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Re: Chaos in USA

#2781 Post by John Hill » Sun Nov 07, 2021 6:40 pm

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John, what are you talking about? The General Sherman and subsequent events took place on the Taedong River which is in what is now North Korea and provides access to Pyonyang. The photo you show is, by your description, landing craft in the Inchon Harbor which is in what is now South Korea and provides access to Seoul.
Agreed.
The photo you show is of McArthur's landing at Inchon during the Korean War...
Not true. Did you not check the photo at all? Did you not even notice that the date is Sept 8th 1945? Did you Google the photo? Did you find it?
According to https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... korea.html where I found this photo it shows American landing at Inchon to accept Japanese surrender and occupation of Korea south of the 38th parallel.


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Title: Occupation of Korea, September 1945
Description: Landing craft move in and out of of Jinsen (Inchon) harbor, Korea, as Allied forces land there, 8 September 1945. Wolmi-Do island is in the upper left, with a causeway connecting it to Inchon city. Photographed from a USS Intrepid (CV-11) aircraft. Official U.S. Navy Photograph, now in the collections of the National Archives.


..which differs somewhat to yours...
.... which was an important event in defeating the invasion of the South by the North. You are featuring an invasion alright but it is by the North Koreans on South Korea with those vessels operating on behalf of the South Korean nation and under United Nations approval.
You are totally wrong

If I wanted to truly invade North Korea I would do it through Wonsan not Inchon.
Who said anything about invading North Korea? Are you trying to skew the discussion by changing your contention that America has never invaded Korea?

The photo shows invasion number three by my count...
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Re: Chaos in USA

#2782 Post by boing » Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:47 pm

John,
These extracts are from the US National Archives. Certain of them are very telling.
The division of Korea into two halves had come at the end of World War II. The United States and the Soviet Union agreed to temporarily divide Korea and oversee the removal of Japanese forces. In August of 1945, the Soviet Union occupied Korea, which had been under Japan's control since 1910. The United States quickly moved its own troops into southern Korea. Japanese troops surrendered to the Russians in the north and to the Americans in the south.
The whole of Korea had been occupied by the Japanese since 1910. Korea had already been invaded by the Japanese. Can you invade an invader or can you only displace an invader from territory they have invaded? At the point we start our considerations the Japanese still control the whole of Korea otherwise why would Russia and the US need to agree to remove them? Apparently the efforts of Russia and the US were successful.
The U.S.-Soviet agreement temporarily divided Korea along the 38th parallel, a latitudinal line that bisected the country; this avoided a long-term decision regarding Korea's future. This line became more rigid after 1946, however, when Kim Il Sung organized a communist government in the north –the Democratic People's Republic. Shortly after, nationalist exile Syngman Rhee returned to Korea and set up a rival government in the south –the Republic of Korea (ROK). Each government hoped to reunify the country under its own rule.
Korea is divided. Two Korean leaders take control of the divided country. At this point there is no implication that either half of the country is under either Russian or US control.
On June 25, 1950, North Korean troops coordinated an attack at several strategic points along the 38th parallel and headed south toward Seoul. The United Nations Security Council voted 9-0 to adopt a resolution condemning the invasion as a "breach of the peace." The Security Council did not have a Soviet delegate, since six months prior, the Soviet Union had left to protest the United Nation's refusal to seat a delegate from China.
North Korea invades South Korea and the United Nations responds.
However, the entry of the United States into the conflict signaled a reversal of policy toward Korea. Although it backed the government of Syngman Rhee, the United States had begun withdrawing its troops from South Korea in 1948. As late as January of 1950, Secretary of State Dean Acheson had implied that the Korea Peninsula lay outside the all-important "defense perimeter" of the United States", a statement that some took to mean that the United States would not defend the ROK from communist attack.
A reversal of policy??? Obviously the US had not intended to remain in South Korea as it was removing its troops and " Secretary of State Dean Acheson had implied that the Korea Peninsula lay outside the all-important "defense perimeter" of the United States".
Truman's statement also reflected a new military order. Although the United States took the lead in the Korean action, it did so under the rubric of the United Nations. Truman made it clear that his actions fell within the measures recommended by the United Nations, and reminded "all members of the United Nations" to "consider carefully the consequences of this latest aggression in Korea" and that America "will continue to uphold the rule of law."
OK, there is a lot there but the "take-away" as they say is that North Korea invaded South Korea, the US had already started to remove its troops from South Korea because it did not consider that such a distant country was of any matter to its foreign policy but in an effort to reduce communist expansion it returned to defend South Korea under United Nations mandate.

https://www.archives.gov/education/less ... n-conflict

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Re: Chaos in USA

#2783 Post by John Hill » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:15 pm

boing wrote:
Sun Nov 07, 2021 8:47 pm
John,
These extracts are from the US National Archives. Certain of them are very telling.
The division of Korea into two halves had come at the end of World War II. The United States and the Soviet Union agreed to temporarily divide Korea and oversee the removal of Japanese forces. In August of 1945, the Soviet Union occupied Korea, which had been under Japan's control since 1910. The United States quickly moved its own troops into southern Korea. Japanese troops surrendered to the Russians in the north and to the Americans in the south.
The whole of Korea had been occupied by the Japanese since 1910. Korea had already been invaded by the Japanese. Can you invade an invader or can you only displace an invader from territory they have invaded?
The US invaded Korea via Inchon in 1945 and set up the United States Army Military Government in Korea (USAMGIK). The people of Korea had already set up the People's Republic of Korea (PRK) but the US military outlawed the PRK which was not the action of a liberator.

Despite your claim that America has never invaded Korea you are clearly wrong.
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Re: Chaos in USA

#2784 Post by John Hill » Sun Nov 07, 2021 9:35 pm

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Do you have any disagreement with the National Archives records?
Not particularly but I do know that Americans are prone to lie at the highest levels.
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#2785 Post by boing » Mon Nov 08, 2021 1:26 am

That we do agree on. :-bd
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Re: Chaos in USA

#2786 Post by Dushan » Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:47 pm

Awh, guys, this was going so good and now you agree?
I was looking forward to (to quote chuks) "handbags at ten paces".
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#2787 Post by prospector » Sun Nov 14, 2021 11:20 pm

And just to get the ball rolling again, how about this for utter racist stupidity from folk who cannot accept other people can have different idea's

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#2788 Post by ricardian » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:11 am

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#2789 Post by prospector » Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:36 am

Good to see some people believe the facts as seen by their own eyes on video supplied by the prosecution, and not the mindless crap spouted by many democrat news outlets, one of which was even banned from the courtroom by the judge for trying to get photographs of the jury members

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#2790 Post by OFSO » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:41 am

If the guys he shot had been black, there would have been riots at the verdict announcement. As it is, they were just Germans. Well, descended from German immigrants. And one Jew. So nobody cares.

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#2791 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:18 pm

WTF?

14 people stole at least $100,000 in merchandise from a Louis Vuitton store outside Chicago, police say


https://www.azfamily.com/news/us_world_ ... _id=997200

CNN) -- At least 14 people forced their way into a Louis Vuitton store in Oak Brook, Illinois, last week, and made off with at least $100,000 in merchandise, according to CNN affiliate WLS-TV based on interviews with the Oak Brook Police Department.

Police told WLS the individuals rushed into the store at Oak Brook Center Mall on Wednesday, took out garbage bags and began filling them with store items. Surveillance video from the store, obtained by WLS, shows the chaotic scene as the masked shoplifters pour into the store grabbing handbags and other merchandise while shoppers rush out of the way.

Investigators have information on the three vehicles the thieves drove away in, according to Oak Brook Police Chief James Kruger. Oak Brook is about 25 miles west of Chicago.

"We're working those leads in order to potentially identify the suspects," Kruger told WLS.

Kruger also told WLS his investigators are working with investigators in the Chicago suburb of Northbrook, where police say eight people looted a Louis Vuitton store at Northbrook Court Mall in October and took off with $66,000 worth of merchandise. On November 1, at least 13 men wearing masks and gloves entered the same Louis Vuitton store and stole several items valued at $100,000. Northbrook is about 30 miles from Oak Brook

"We don't know if there is an actual connection yet, but certainly there are similarities," Kruger said.

The thefts are also similar to incidents in California over the weekend.

San Francisco police said multiple people were arrested after a Louis Vuitton store in San Francisco was looted Friday night, and Saturday night in Walnut Creek, California, a Nordstrom was ransacked by "approximately 80 suspects," who got away in at least 10 different vehicles, CNN previously reported.

3 arrested after dozens ransack a Nordstrom store near San Francisco, police say

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/21/us/nords ... index.html

(CNN)Three suspects were arrested Saturday night after dozens ransacked a Nordstrom department store near San Francisco in what police are calling a "smash-and-grab" incident.

About 80 suspects were involved in the crime at the department store in Broadway Plaza, an outdoor mall in Walnut Creek east of San Francisco, and they fled in at least 10 different vehicles, Lt. Ryan Hibbs at the Walnut Creek Police Department told CNN.
"A number of vehicles were leaving. We managed to stop one of them," said Hibbs, adding that no injuries were reported.
Authorities are questioning those who were arrested to determine the identities of the other suspects, Hibbs said.
The manager of a nearby restaurant told CNN affiliate KPIX that the looters were wearing masks and carried what appeared to be crowbars.
"There was a mob of people," Brett Barrett said. "The police were flying in. It was like a scene out of a movie. It was insane. ... It was a scary scene for a moment."
Police have not yet estimated a dollar amount for the stolen items, Hibbs said.
The incident followed a series of similar lootings Friday night in Union Square and surrounding areas in San Francisco, including at a Louis Vuitton store, a Burberry store, a jewelry store, a Bloomingdale's, a Walgreens, cannibis dispensaries and even an eyeglass shop, Police Chief Bill Scott said at a news conference Saturday.
San Francisco has been struggling with a surge in crime this year as it reopened during the pandemic. In the Central district, for example, larceny and theft incidents are up almost 88% from a year earlier, and overall crime is up almost 52%, according to police statistics.
Eight people were arrested after Friday night's break-ins, Scott said. As police go through video footage from the scenes, the chief said he expects more arrests.
It was a concerted effort, he said, and the perpetrators aimed to overwhelm police.
"Their plan was hoping that we wouldn't be here, but we were. And some of them think they got away with it, but I am confident, I am confident, that there will be more arrests to follow," Scott said.
All of the eight arrested were "young adults," he said.
Police also seized two vehicles and two guns, Scott said.
The city will "flood" the area with police going forward, the chief said.
"We will do what we need to do to put an end to this madness," Scott said. What happened, he said, was "absolutely unacceptable in all forms."
San Francisco isn't the only city grappling with group "grab and go" crimes. On Wednesday afternoon, several people swarmed into a Louis Vuitton store in a mall in Oak Brook, Illinois, taking about $120,000 in merchandise, CNN affiliate WLS reported.
In surveillance video provided by the Oak Brook Police Department, 14 suspects can be seen grabbing items from shelves.
"Once they entered the store, they pulled out the garbage bags from their coats and started filling them with merchandise," Oak Brook Police Chief James Kruger said, according to WLS.
The suspects used three vehicles to drive away. Police recovered one of them, a Dodge Charger reported stolen last month in Chicago, WLS reported.

Seems to be a developing trend. ~X(

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Re: Chaos in USA

#2792 Post by Dushan » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:31 pm

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Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:18 pm
WTF?

14 people stole at least $100,000 in merchandise from a Louis Vuitton store outside Chicago, police say


Meh, $100 k of LV stuff is not a lot of stuff.
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#2793 Post by prospector » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:30 am

And for something a bit more concerning,
https://sputniknews.com/20211125/biden- ... 21192.html

"China says it is not up to the United States to define what is democracy and what is not. Beijing asserts that “democracy belongs to all humanity”. It’s not just about holding cycles of elections. In the case of the United States, its “democracy” is dominated by two parties bankrolled by Wall Street capitalists and plutocrats. Its record on poverty, inequality, racism and warmongering is plentiful to roundly negate pretentious claims of “democracy”."

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#2794 Post by John Hill » Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:39 am

prospector wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:30 am
"China says it is not up to the United States to define what is democracy and what is not. Beijing asserts that “democracy belongs to all humanity”. It’s not just about holding cycles of elections. In the case of the United States, its “democracy” is dominated by two parties bankrolled by Wall Street capitalists and plutocrats. Its record on poverty, inequality, racism and warmongering is plentiful to roundly negate pretentious claims of “democracy”."
Someone had to say it...
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#2795 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:01 am

If the founding fathers of the US had wanted, or tolerated, the idea of democracy they'd have mentioned that word somewhere in either the declaration of independence or in the constitution.

They'd have been horrified at the idea of democracy. The country was set up for the benefit of the property (not just real estate) owning classes. It has remained so ever since.

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#2796 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Nov 27, 2021 6:01 pm

At least 30 people loot a Best Buy in Minnesota on Black Friday ~X(

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/27/us/best- ... index.html

(CNN)At least 30 people entered a Best Buy store in Burnsville, Minnesota, on Black Friday and stole electronics, according to a Burnsville Police statement obtained by CNN affiliate WCCO.

No one was injured and no weapons were drawn during the incident that occurred shortly after 8 p.m. in the city approximately 15 miles south of Minneapolis, police say.

It is not yet known how much merchandise was taken from the store in Friday's robbery, the statement said.
Police have not made any arrests as of Friday night, and the investigation into the incident is ongoing, according to Burnsville Police.
WCCO also reports that another Best Buy approximately 25 miles away was also robbed on Friday. Maplewood Police say that six people robbed the store there before fleeing in several vehicles, it is unclear whether the two robberies are connected, according to WCCO.

But first you have to loot tools to help with your next looting :-o ~X(

Thieves target Home Depot in California, making off with hammers, crowbars and other tools

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/27/us/home- ... index.html

(CNN)Up to 10 people entered a Home Depot store in California on Friday night and left with a range of stolen tools, according to police officials.


The incident took place at approximately 8 p.m. local time in Lakewood, Los Angeles Sheriff's Department Deputy Miguel Meza told CNN. Lakewood is a city in Los Angeles County.
The thieves made off with hammers, sledgehammers, crowbars and other tools. After grabbing the items, they ran out of the store and got into a getaway car parked outside, Meza said.

The theft comes as similar tools have been used in a number of smash-and-grab robberies at high-end stores in several major US cities this month.
At least 18 people broke into a Nordstrom department store in Los Angeles Monday night and stole thousands of dollars in merchandise, the city's police chief said. Similar crimes have been reported in the San Francisco Bay Area, Chicago, and other cities.
The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department did not have details about the getaway vehicle nor the number of items stolen Friday night at the Home Depot store, but are investigating.

Solutions anyone? :-?

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Re: Chaos in USA

#2797 Post by prospector » Thu Dec 02, 2021 12:32 am

Would anybody believe this outcome in the next US election be the solution to anything??

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/541897-michell ... aign=Email

" Kamala Harris, who last month received a 28% approval rating, is about as far from presidential material as Pluto is from the Sun. Her speeches, which drone exquisitely into ethereal nothingness, reveal not only a conspicuous lack of charm and personality, but the depth of her intelligence, which would struggle to free itself from the shallow end of the kiddie pool. "

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#2798 Post by Dushan » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:22 pm

prospector wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 4:30 am
And for something a bit more concerning,
https://sputniknews.com/20211125/biden- ... 21192.html

"China says it is not up to the United States to define what is democracy and what is not. Beijing asserts that “democracy belongs to all humanity”. It’s not just about holding cycles of elections. In the case of the United States, its “democracy” is dominated by two parties bankrolled by Wall Street capitalists and plutocrats. Its record on poverty, inequality, racism and warmongering is plentiful to roundly negate pretentious claims of “democracy”."
Looks like JH is writing for the Chinese...
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#2799 Post by PHXPhlyer » Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:44 pm

New details shed light on ways Mark Meadows pushed federal agencies to pursue dubious election claims

Two more conspiracy theories that I wasn't aware of.
:-o
No mention of "Jewish space lasers". :-?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics ... index.html

Washington (CNN)Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows' new cooperation with the January 6 House select committee could give investigators a valuable window into how former President Donald Trump and his allies tried to enlist government officials to pursue baseless election conspiracy theories -- an effort new CNN reporting reveals Meadows was central to in the weeks after the 2020 election.

According to multiple sources, including former Trump officials and others with direct knowledge of what was happening behind the scenes at the White House, Meadows reached out to some of the country's top national security officials in an effort to connect them to Trump allies who were pushing unfounded claims of foreign election interference and voter fraud.

Not only did Meadows try to get top government officials to investigate baseless conspiracy theories being espoused by the likes of Rudy Giuliani, Mike Flynn and Sidney Powell, he also passed along conspiratorial materials himself, including YouTube videos and other information that alleged widespread evidence of voter fraud, sources say.
These, and other actions Meadows took on behalf of Trump, sources say, were not necessarily driven by his strong belief in the validity of these claims but instead by his desire to please a president who was hyper-focused on injecting baseless conspiracy theories of election fraud into official government channels.
While Meadows' attempts to enlist the Justice Department in the effort to overturn the election were documented by a recent Senate investigation, a complete understanding of how Trump's chief of staff pushed other federal agencies to pursue dubious claims of a rigged election is still coming to light.

At one point, Meadows contacted national security officials at several agencies with what he said was potential evidence of a massive conspiracy by China to hack the US election by using thermostats to change results in voting machines, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation. According to one of those sources, Meadows reached out to officials at the FBI, Pentagon, National Security Council and Office of the Director of National Intelligence to tell them about election fraud claims, including the China thermostat allegation, which Flynn and Powell had been pushing.
Meadows also pressured acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen to have Justice Department officials investigate baseless claims that votes were changed by people in Italy using satellites. He acted as a go-between for Giuliani's team which was pushing the same debunked theory.

A number of Trump allies tried to enlist top government officials at the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security and Defense to investigate dubious claims about the election but Meadows' role in some of those efforts stands out for his proximity to Trump and his standing in the executive branch.
"Meadows was perpetually enabling this insane stuff and was too scared to stand up to Trump," according to a source who attended multiple meetings at the White House and other agencies where Meadows was present. "He was scared to say 'no' to anyone," the source, who spoke to CNN on the condition of anonymity in order to discuss matters potentially relevant to an ongoing congressional probe, said, noting that applied particularly to Trump.
Meadows' attorney did not respond to CNN's request for comment for this story. Next week, Meadows is expected to appear for a deposition with the House select committee investigating the January 6 US Capitol attack.
Trump's election fraud liaison
Even after mid-November, when a group that included Trump-appointed election security officials validated the results of the 2020 election, declaring it to be "the most secure in American history," Meadows continued to show a willingness to pursue avenues to undermine that confidence on behalf of his boss, according to four sources with knowledge of his actions at the time.
Flynn and Powell initially relied on Meadows to act as the liaison between those seeking to overturn the 2020 election and top officials across various agencies that they thought might be able to help in the effort, the sources said.

Meadows would pass election fraud information from these outside Trump advisers to government officials and essentially say he was doing so because Trump wanted him to, according to one source familiar with the former chief of staff's outreach.
During one encounter described to CNN by a source with knowledge of it, Meadows attempted to set up a meeting between Flynn and top intelligence officials to discuss the claim China had hacked voting machines via special kinds of thermostats. While that meeting never occurred, according to the same source, the outreach highlights how Meadows was personally involved in the effort.
Some Trump officials contacted by Meadows were wary of getting involved in efforts to overturn the election, according to three sources with knowledge of their thinking at the time, and side-stepped his request for Cabinet officials to meet with Powell, Flynn, Giuliani and others aligned with their cause.
Heated Oval Office meeting
At times, Meadows did try to thwart efforts to push baseless claims of voter fraud. During one particularly contentious Oval Office meeting on December 18, Meadows directly challenged Powell and Flynn, who were continuing to insist they had real evidence of election interference.
He forcefully argued against their suggestion of naming Powell as a special counsel to investigate voter fraud allegations. Meadows also sided with White House officials and lawyers opposed to Powell and Flynn's idea of declaring a state of emergency so that the federal government could seize voting equipment in certain states, as CNN previously reported.

Trump ultimately sided with Meadows and other White House officials but did not completely reject what Flynn and Powell were proposing, sources previously told CNN. Powell's attorney told CNN that she has not spoken to Meadows since that meeting, which was first reported by the New York Times.
Afterward, Meadows, along with Giuliani and others, continued to pursue baseless claims of election fraud, including pressuring top Justice department officials to investigate some of them, according to sources familiar with the situation and congressional investigations into the matter.
During the final week of December and first days of January, Meadows repeatedly emailed then-acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, urging him to investigate the Italian satellite conspiracy theory, referred to as "Italygate" in emails uncovered by the Senate investigation, whose findings were released in October.
Rosen and other DOJ officials were exasperated by the requests, according to the Senate investigation
Meadows in Georgia
Meadows also shifted some of his efforts toward Georgia, where Trump was working to overturn the results of Biden's victory.
On Dec. 22, 2020, Meadows paid an unexpected visit to a Cobb County facility where investigators were running a signature match audit of absentee ballot envelopes. Georgia's Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs intercepted Meadows, explaining he wasn't allowed in the audit room.
"Fun fact: technically the chiefs of staff, me and Mark Meadows are not allowed into the room," Fuchs told Atlanta's WSB-TV at the time. "He just asked basic process questions, wanted to know what exactly we were verifying, are we checking signatures from multiple different files that we have and that is accurate."
As Trump grew increasingly irritated that Georgia officials were failing to upend the election results, the White House reached out repeatedly to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office.
At one point Meadows even texted Raffensperger from a Gmail account -- a message that was largely disregarded, a person familiar with the situation said. At the time, staffers were unsure if the message was real as they were getting inundated with calls and emails from people angry about the election results. They also weren't eager to connect with the White House while Trump's lawsuit to overturn the election results was pending, the person familiar with the situation added.
Criminal investigators in Georgia have been quietly conducting interviews, collecting documents and working to build a line of communication with congressional investigators as they aim to build a case against Trump for his alleged attempts to overturn the state's 2020 election results.
The select committee investigating January 6 has already asked the National Archives for a range of documents, including any records of White House communications with Georgia officials. The document request covers communications with Meadows, Giuliani and other attorneys who participated in Trump's now notorious call to Raffensperger.
When Meadows finally did connect with Fuchs, he said the White House had been trying --- repeatedly -- to reach Raffensperger. Fuchs passed the message to her boss.
"I told Jordan that I was reluctant to take the president's call with the lawsuit hanging over us," Raffensperger wrote in his book, Integrity Counts. "She said Meadows was insistent, so I agreed," with the stipulation that Fuchs and his general counsel would also join.
When everyone gathered on the line January 2, Meadows kicked off the now infamous call.
"Ok. Alright. Mr. President, everyone is on the line. This is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff."

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#2800 Post by Bob » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:00 pm

Lol..and yes its a true story, these people exist and every last one of em a proud republican patriot..hell yeah :))

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