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Re: Chaos in USA

#3001 Post by Seenenough » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:22 pm

See Plum -"Always worth bearing in mind when he spouts forth, it's probably a load of bollocks."-according to Ilon.

Its that old shoot the messenger thing that is pretty entrenched in California where they are paying anywhere between $5.00 to $7.00 for a gallon of petrol that they paid only $2.50 for in January 2020

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#3002 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:37 pm

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Attack the messenger, llondel.

That'll work. Don't listen to what he actually says. Don't think for yourself. Just attack the messenger and ignore the message unthinkingly.
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Re: Chaos in USA

#3003 Post by llondel » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:45 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:18 pm
Attack the messenger, llondel.

That'll work. Don't listen to what he actually says. Don't think for yourself. Just attack the messenger and ignore the message unthinkingly.
The few times I've bothered to listen to him I've not been impressed with what he had to say. His message is pretty much the same, a few plausible and occasionally even accurate statements used to package a load of inflammatory rhetoric. I do occasionally compare what Fox is saying to what's on MSNBC, flipping back and forth to see what both channels think is important and what they're saying about it.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3004 Post by llondel » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:52 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:22 pm
See Plum -"Always worth bearing in mind when he spouts forth, it's probably a load of bollocks."-according to Ilon.

Its that old shoot the messenger thing that is pretty entrenched in California where they are paying anywhere between $5.00 to $7.00 for a gallon of petrol that they paid only $2.50 for in January 2020
I don't remember it ever being that low here, although Dr Google says it just dipped under $2.50 in Feb 2016 and it blipped below $2 back at the end of 2008. It was over $3 in January 2020 but dropped steadily for a few months to about $2.70 as consumption pretty much ground to a halt and oil supplies went into a huge surplus. I wouldn't have noticed that because I rarely left the house around then, I was enjoying not having to commute anywhere.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3005 Post by Seenenough » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:56 pm

Now I have heard everything

Jen Psaki said at the WH briefing today that the US sanctions will be applied to China if they help the Russians.

I wonder if she realizes what a big statement she has just made.I expect we will see some cleaning up soon.

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#3006 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:57 pm

llondel wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:45 pm
Undried Plum wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:18 pm
Attack the messenger, llondel.

That'll work. Don't listen to what he actually says. Don't think for yourself. Just attack the messenger and ignore the message unthinkingly.
The few times I've bothered to listen to him I've not been impressed with what he had to say. His message is pretty much the same, a few plausible and occasionally even accurate statements used to package a load of inflammatory rhetoric. I do occasionally compare what Fox is saying to what's on MSNBC, flipping back and forth to see what both channels think is important and what they're saying about it.
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Re: Chaos in USA

#3007 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:27 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:56 pm
Jen Psaki said at the WH briefing today that the US sanctions will be applied to China if they help the Russians.

I wonder if she realizes what a big statement she has just made.I expect we will see some cleaning up soon.
As she might have said, and did at one point, Statecraft has reached a new low.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3008 Post by Seenenough » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:33 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:27 pm
Seenenough wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:56 pm
Jen Psaki said at the WH briefing today that the US sanctions will be applied to China if they help the Russians.

I wonder if she realizes what a big statement she has just made.I expect we will see some cleaning up soon.
As she might have said, and did at one point, Statecraft has reached a new low.
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Re: Chaos in USA

#3009 Post by barkingmad » Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:15 pm

Good news, it's OK to press the destruct button, the public are behind the escalation;

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... er-ukraine

So that's all right then, the radioactive fallout will hopefully blow eastwards in the prevailing off-Atlantic breeze and make life difficult for those pesky Chinese.

Their fault anyway, innit, for releasing the bat 'flu and screwing us all up for the last 2 years... [-X

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3010 Post by Dushan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:22 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:15 pm
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Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:03 pm
Which part, exactly? He covers at least a dozen sub-topics and make a lot of very good points.

Things are getting pretty serious when Faux News starts to express the thought that The Empire is overreaching itself or that the oligarchy which owns America is going too far.
I thought that Fox News is considered to be unreliable and biased by most of the Anti-USAers in this forum.I'm surprised to see that you even attached a clip from Fox.
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Re: Chaos in USA

#3011 Post by Dushan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:25 pm

barkingmad wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:09 pm
Let’s hope Sleepy Joe wakes up long enough to be steered into the dock and is able to take the legal oath;

https://www.prosecutenow.com/

Maybe the TV channels will broadcast proceedings to give us all a break from the Warporn which has supplanted Covidporn?

Presumably the many legal firms in the US will pay for advertising in the all too frequent commercial breaks which plague their channels?

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What's this covid thing you speak of?
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Re: Chaos in USA

#3012 Post by barkingmad » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:26 pm

Dushan sez: “ What's this covid thing you speak of?”

Answer: Normal homo erectus variant pneumonia, influenza or simply a stinking cold, which unfortunately carries off the old, the weak, the ‘dry tinder’.

Which it was for thousands of decades until BigPharma sold us the idea of sticking an expensive cotton bud into our respiratory orifices, or in Chinaaah, up our fundaments.

And then, miraculously, the classic winter ‘lergies disappeared to be replaced by the latest scariant of the plague to the intense pleasure of the Great Reset architect who published a book on the C19 topic within 3 months of the pan(dem)ic being declared in March 2020.

All “confirmed” by a dodgy ‘test’ which also made squillions for it’s ‘inventor’ and the salesmen of such snake oil.

Then they persuaded us that we needed to get injected by a previously developed bioweapon which was developed before the bat shagging pangolin ‘outbreak’ in late 2019.

But heyho, just sit at home quivering at the latest “case” stats pushed out by the guvvments psy-ops organiastions whilst booking stab number 5, 6 or however far you’ve gone down the road of “being saved”?

And never mind the official figures for fatal or severe injury Vak Scene adverse events, only 10 medium sized airliners worth of deaths for the UK and gawd knows how many in the US and EUrope.

But our colleagues in this forum consistently ignore such authorised statistics because they contradict the accepted narrative.

But don’t let the official facts get in the way of a good story? :-?

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3013 Post by Dushan » Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:57 pm

BM, yes I know, but my comment was mostly about the fact the all internet and TV epidemiologists suddenly became geopolitical and war experts removing the COVID narrative as if it never existed (which it really didn’t).
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#3014 Post by prospector » Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:41 am

For what it is worth, bit late to be finding and printing all this information now, but it ties in with much of the lack of credibility of some of the American news outlets.



The media owe the American people an apology, though we won’t hold our breath.

NRPLUS MEMBER ARTICLE
It’s one of the biggest scandals in American political history, and it barely warrants any media coverage.

Donald Trump might have desired a closer relationship with Vladimir Putin, but it was Democrats who had aggressively and successfully disseminated Russian disinformation during and after the 2016 election, manipulating a pliant media and law enforcement, plunging the nation into four years of paranoia meant to undermine trust in the American electoral system.


Special counsel John Durham has now handed down another indictment, arresting Igor Danchenko, a grifter, suspected Russian spy, and primary sub-source for the “Steele Dossier,” the discredited file that was assembled by opposition-research shop Fusion GPS and funded by the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton campaign through its law firm, Perkins Coie.

Not only did the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party operators pay for these uncorroborated allegations, they then spread the lies to government agencies and major media organizations. The candidate herself often perpetuated a conspiracy theory that she almost surely knew was bogus. And because it was Trump, everyone ran with it, including law enforcement.


MORE IN JOHN DURHAM
Durham’s Jaw-Dropping Revelation
The Misleading Claim That Durham’s Reference to Trump White House Records Was Misleading
Durham: Tech Exec Working with Clinton-Tied Lawyer Spied on Trump Tower, White House
We know a lawyer at the FBI doctored an email and used it as the basis for a sworn statement to spy on Trump-campaign adviser Carter Page — omitting the fact that the underlying evidence was a partisan document — and that Obama officials unmasked members of the opposition party during an election. Department of Justice inspector general Michael Horowitz found that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications used to spy on Page were riddled with 17 “significant errors.” More important, Horowitz testified that “the FISA applications relied entirely on information from the . . . primary sub source’s reporting to support the allegation that Page was coordinating with the Russian government on 2016 U.S. presidential election activities.” (My italics.)

There were early signs that controversy was a farce. In March 2017, I wrote a tepid piece headlined, “Democrats Shouldn’t Dismiss Nunes’ Spying Claims So Quickly.” At the time, House Intelligence chairman Devin Nunes, somewhat ham-fistedly, assembled a memo detailing how the Trump campaign had been spied on and unmasked and that conversations “with little or no apparent foreign intelligence value were widely disseminated in an intelligence community report” and that the evidence was predicated on a dossier paid for by Democrats. I will save you the hundreds of hyperlinks to liberal commentators calling Nunes a traitor and liar, but let’s just say it was quite the scene.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3015 Post by Seenenough » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:01 pm

Some recent polling of the three legs of governmentto ponder.

Congress approval rating 18 %

Presidential approval rating 40%

Supreme Court approval rating 40%

Press/media approval rating 36%

To me the real scary one is that so few have confidence in the courts.I would have expected that figure to be closer to 60%

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3016 Post by llondel » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:31 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:01 pm
To me the real scary one is that so few have confidence in the courts.I would have expected that figure to be closer to 60%
I would blame that one on the obvious politicisation of the process by Mitch McConnell, first saying that a vacancy should not be filled in the last year of a presidential term and then rushing with indecent haste to confirm an appointment mere weeks before an election. Of course, media coverage probably hasn't helped.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3017 Post by Seenenough » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:33 pm

llondel wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:31 pm
Seenenough wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:01 pm
To me the real scary one is that so few have confidence in the courts.I would have expected that figure to be closer to 60%
I would blame that one on the obvious politicisation of the process by Mitch McConnell, first saying that a vacancy should not be filled in the last year of a presidential term and then rushing with indecent haste to confirm an appointment mere weeks before an election. Of course, media coverage probably hasn't helped.
It is always the GOP to blame -how predictable.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3018 Post by llondel » Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:51 pm

Seenenough wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:33 pm
llondel wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:31 pm
Seenenough wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:01 pm
To me the real scary one is that so few have confidence in the courts.I would have expected that figure to be closer to 60%
I would blame that one on the obvious politicisation of the process by Mitch McConnell, first saying that a vacancy should not be filled in the last year of a presidential term and then rushing with indecent haste to confirm an appointment mere weeks before an election. Of course, media coverage probably hasn't helped.
It is always the GOP to blame -how predictable.
Actually, in this instance I blame him personally, although the others let him get away with it. I think the US would be a better place if he wasn't in the Senate.

In the more general scheme of things, it's a bit like the UK in the early 1980s when the Labour Party was busy infighting and were highly ineffective as an opposition party, and then when Blair got in and the Tories imploded, they were pretty ineffective for similar reasons. At the moment the GOP is trying to figure out whether it wants to be the party of Trump or follow the lead of Cheney and Kinzinger back to what I see as the more traditional GOP. When half of your government is just not cooperating, or it is clear that they're just making a show to delay stuff, they get left out of the process, and that's not good for the country. The US works with bipartisanship, but at the moment it's running on three wheels and even they are wobbling.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3019 Post by Seenenough » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:38 pm

llondel wrote:
Wed Mar 23, 2022 3:51 pm

At the moment the GOP is trying to figure out whether it wants to be the party of Trump or follow the lead of Cheney and Kinzinger back to what I see as the more traditional GOP.
Now that the facts are coming out about the Hillary Clinton manufactured hoax and the help she got from Jim Comey to perpetuate the hoax I think it is more likely that the voters will continue down the Trump route.

Cheney and Kinzinger were both hoodwinked into being all in to the Hillary hoax and both their voting records I believe shows that they voted to Impeach Trump based on the hoax.

Many people I believe would happily vote for Trump once again as they seek the prosperity and relative world peace that prevailed during Trump's time in office.

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Re: Chaos in USA

#3020 Post by boing » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:19 pm

The problem for the Supreme Court is the continuous media discussion about how votes are expected to go based on the individual politics of the members. This conjecture has firmly convinced the public that the court is definitely politically divided whether the members are capable of disregarding their political leanings in favour of the law or not. The situation is not helped by the labeling of everyone being considered for the court with a political label and that even politicians talk about the candidates' politics as if it was their most important qualification.

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