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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3201 Post by Boac » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:11 am

From the Independent: Here is a government with a clear policy

"Grant Shapps has said the government supports Transport for London’s decision to require passengers to continue wearing face masks.

The transport secretary said the decision was in line with what ministers expected, after Boris Johnson announced that most statutory lockdown restrictions in England would end from Monday.

"Whilst we are going from this being a legal requirement to guidelines, we do expect individual carriers to make sure they are putting in place whatever is appropriate for their network," Mr Shapps told Sky News.

"The airlines have already said that you will need to carry on wearing masks on those. It is very much in line with what we expected – indeed wanted – to happen."


What exactly will this 'support' be?

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Herd immunity (flock immunity in Scotland)

#3202 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:19 am

Strong words from The Lancet, as quoted in The Independent:

Scientists have accused the government of a “criminal” decision to embark on a mass infection strategy to Covid by lifting most remaining restrictions on 19 July.


The authors of a letter to The Lancet signed by more than 1,200 scientists and medics described the government’s strategy as “herd immunity by mass infection” and branded it “unscientific and unethical”. Lancet editor-in-chief Richard Horton said that chief medical officer Chris Whitty was “wilfully misrepresenting scientific opinion” with claims that there was widespread support for the prime minister’s approach.

The National Voices coalition of almost 60 health and social care charities also wrote to Boris Johnson urging him to reconsider, warning that the recovery of non-Covid healthcare will be undermined if thousands more people are allowed to become ill with coronavirus over the summer.

The chair of the British Medical Association, Dr Chaand Nagpaul, has warned that the “irresponsible” decision to press ahead with so-called Freedom Day – including the removal of legal requirements on face coverings and social distancing in England – could have “potentially devastating consequences” at a time when infections are running at over 36,000 a day.

The Scottish first minister, Nicola Sturgeon, announced that all of Scotland will move to the lowest level of coronavirus restrictions on 19 July, but said masks will remain for “some time to come”, as lifting all restrictions immediately “would put all of us at greater risk”.

Latest official figures recorded 50 deaths across the UK on Tuesday and 213 over the past seven days – 50 per cent up on the previous week.

Some 36,660 daily positive cases were reported, with the seven-day total up 27 per cent on the previous week, while hospitalisations in England rose to their highest level for four months at 502 on 11 July.

The warnings came as evidence emerged that Britons in their droves are turning off the smartphone app, which is seen by the government as a key tool in the battle to rein in the surging Delta variant.

Almost one in five adults (19 per cent) who had downloaded the NHS app – and more than a third (34 per cent) of 18 to 34 year-olds – told pollsters Savanta ComRes that they had deleted it from their phones. And 20 per cent – including 36 per cent of younger adults – said they plan to delete it when final restrictions are lifted on Monday.

The mass removal of the contact-tracing device came amid warnings that millions of people may be forced into self-isolation this summer after being identified as potential contacts of Covid-19 patients.

With the government admitting that daily infections could soar to 100,000 a day following the removal of lockdown restrictions on 19 July, ministers have not denied forecasts of up to 3.5 million people a week being “pinged” by the app and told to isolate for 10 days.

Just 42 per cent of those taking part in the survey said they are still using the app, compared to 32 per cent who never downloaded it and 19 per cent who have deleted it.

Savanta ComRes political research director Chris Hopkins said: “Testing, tracing and self-isolating are all major factors in the government’s plans to remove coronavirus restrictions, and therefore this survey showing that many – particularly those who have not been fully vaccinated – plan to delete the app or have already, shows that attempts to contain the virus without restrictions are likely to be very difficult.

“Of course, many have reasons for deleting the app, including fearing a lack of income if told to self-isolate. However, on this evidence, the government can continue to blame the public if – as some expect – cases, hospitalisations and deaths from coronavirus rise in the latter half of the summer.”

The authors of the Lancet letter said that the lifting of all restrictions amounted to a decision to allow mass infection in order to achieve herd immunity before the winter, when respiratory diseases are at their worst.

Dr Deepti Gurdasani of Queen Mary University London said: “I think people are nervous about using the term ‘herd immunity through infection’ because they feel unsure about the intentionality of the government, but if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it is a duck, and that they are going for herd immunity strategy is very clear from their modeling.

“I think we will look back and see this as perhaps the darkest day for UK science.”

Prof Christina Pagel of University College London and Independent Sage, said: “The government says it isn’t [following a herd immunity strategy], but at the same time they’ve said they’re willing to live with potentially a few more million infections just before autumn. I don’t know why people aren’t talking about it more but it’s pretty clear that’s what the decision is.”

And GP Helen Salisbury, a lecturer at Oxford University, said: “I cannot understand why the government would opt to do herd immunity viral infection when they could do herd immunity by vaccination. I think it’s criminal.”

The National Voices letter to Mr Johnson – signed by groups including Kidney Care UK, MS Society, Parkinson’s UK and Blood Cancer UK – warned that the continued prevalence of Covid is “holding back the recovery”.

“We can only crack on with the crucial recovery of non-Covid healthcare if we keep Covid infections and the ongoing need for Covid care low,” it warned.

If we have thousands of people falling very ill again with Covid, it will damage the economy and the health system both in the short and long term more than the continued use of moderate Covid control measures.”

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3203 Post by 1DC » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:29 am

Don't lose sight of the fact that the BMA is the Doctors trade union and Oxford University is now the heart of our left wing universities so politics may be at play here.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3204 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:33 am

What's the BMA got to do with it?

The article was in The Lancet and did not mention the BMA.

Anyway, wouldn't the "Doctor's Union" be a more informed bunch of medical experts than Boris's clique?

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3205 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:40 am

I twigged this a while ago.
Boris always favoured herd immunity by infection, but the scienticians dissuaded him, with dire and exaggerated death predictions.

Now he's going for it- which explains how relaxed they are with the predictions of 100,000 cases per day.

Maybe Doris knows how deep in the ***** we are financially?

It must be deep...

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3206 Post by Undried Plum » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:01 am

AtomKraft wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:40 am
I twigged this a while ago.
Boris always favoured herd immunity by infection, but the scienticians dissuaded him, with dire and exaggerated death predictions.

Now he's going for it- which explains how relaxed they are with the predictions of 100,000 cases per day.

Maybe Doris knows how deep in the *sh*t* we are financially?

It must be deep...
The falsely quoted "dire" predictions were estimates of what would happen if the world ignored the pandemic and took no precautions.

Precautions were taken, albeit patchily and some countries incompetently. Quite a lot of precautions, actually. Hence the death toll, thus far, hasn't been anything like the 50,000,000 to 100,000,000 deaths of the 1918 American Flu pandemic when almost no precautions were taken.

On the other matter: yes, the financial situation is indeed dire. The sheer volume of money-printing of remains pro tem the world's reserve currency is catastrophic in its longer term indlications. Only the deflationary effects of hyperinflation (yes, I know that sounds contraditory, but it's not) stand between the Dollar and its oblivion.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3207 Post by Boac » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:24 am

I gather the 'NHS Bill' which will open the way for privatisation of the NHS is on its way to the statute books.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3208 Post by larsssnowpharter » Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:07 am

Was listening to a debate about proposed taxes on sugar and salt laden foods.

One of the protagonists stated that a map of the UK showing obese people numbers closely paralleled a map showing poverty. From this he deduced that poverty resulted in obesity.

I deduced that buying and eating too much food made you both fat and poor.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3209 Post by Boac » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:44 pm

Will that be part of Bojo's 'levelling up', then?

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3210 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:59 pm

Boac wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:24 am
I gather the 'NHS Bill' which will open the way for privatisation of the NHS is on its way to the statute books.


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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3211 Post by Boac » Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:03 pm

The Police are reportedly putting lots of effort into investigating the 'leaking' of the the HandyCock CCTV and no-one seems to be looking into his being a crooked politician?

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3212 Post by Boac » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:03 pm

It gets worse by the minute. This 'government' (that regrettably some of our auspicious - should that be 'horsepissious'? - voted into office) have now issued 'guidance' on 15th to some lucky 'hospitality' companies on 'Freedom Day' (argh!!!!***) on 19th - to say they should 'consider' using vaccine 'passports' (FROM MONDAY!!) to 'control' entry. Is there a single brain cell left in HMG? Actually, was there ever one?

This is of course, after HMS(hambles) has adequately prepared the country to get and use such. And helped the businesses to train staff in their use.

My forecast is that Bonking Boris will soon follow the Dutch PM and re-impose legislation, in possibly less than his '3 weeks after'.

This lot need to be booted out ASAP.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3213 Post by Undried Plum » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:12 pm

Nothing wrong with bonking.

Damn good aerobic exercise, I'd say.

It's his propensity for being a wanker which is the problem.

Same-same can be said the the ffrench girlfriend of the blunt-end of the outside of the dominant pair of the SNP business.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3214 Post by Boac » Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:31 pm

Nothing wrong with bonking
Nor did I imply............... (-|

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3215 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:19 am

"Anyone who still has the NHS app on his phone needs his head examining."

PS The quote refers to the 'NHS Test and Trace' app, not the 'NHS app'.

It is pinging people who have been nowhere near an infected person. Worth every penny, Dildo. From the Telegraph

"Exclusive: Neighbours ‘pinged’ through walls by NHS Covid app"

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3216 Post by Woody » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:46 am

Yes, but the virus can actually go through walls, it’s on Facebook/Twitter, so it must be true :ymdevil:
When all else fails, read the instructions.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3217 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:48 am

Ah yes - I had forgotten that. A timely warning.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3218 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 16, 2021 8:58 am

Watch this space. This is how a government 'admits' its mistakes. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 85209.html

Only another 72'ish hours of confusion to go.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3219 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:40 am

Consider.

Yes Sir, I considered it. Then I rejected the idea.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3220 Post by Boac » Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:42 am

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