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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#101 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Oct 01, 2019 3:27 pm

Our Coop sells the hardest vegetable imaginable in shrink wrapped polythene. To cut the Swede I need a sharp point to get through the plastic.

Ever tried hulling a strawberry with a spoon? Get the eye out of a potato? Etc.

Capetonian, perhaps they realise that modern youth has no diy skills.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#102 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:21 am

.........ban screwdrivers and have an amnesty so that anyone who owns a set of screwdrivers has to hand them in?
I hope they start a "buy back" scheme, then I'll become a millionaire !

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#103 Post by barkingmad » Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:44 pm

Can’t help linking the inadequate and belated defence of the London Metropolitan Police’s total foulup of the investigation of the so-called politicians’ paedophile ring and the treatment of Steve Fulcher in the Halliwell serial murder case.

A relatively junior detective gets dumped on having gone outside the ridiculous Police & Criminal Evidence Act which seems to give preference to the rights of the villain(s) over those of victims and general public.

And yet those senior orifices who wasted north of £2.5 million of taxpayers’ dosh following the allegations by the convicted Carl Beech get away without censure nor any disciplinary action.

A very timely showing of the last episode of the ITV series coincides with the Met’s failures being aired and criticised.
And PACE now under scrutiny at last.

Maybe saying “No comment” repeatedly under questioning should be interpreted as “Guilty as charged”??

And that old chestnut gets raised again-who polices the police? Especially following the criticism of the inappropriately named Independent Police Complaints Commission-since renamed in a cynical exercise to deflect attention from their patently obvious lack of independence.

I have to go now, I detect my collar will be felt soon!!

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#104 Post by Rwy in Sight » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:51 am

barkingmad wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:44 pm


A relatively junior detective gets dumped on having gone outside the ridiculous Police & Criminal Evidence Act which seems to give preference to the rights of the villain(s) over those of victims and general public.

And yet those senior orifices who wasted north of £2.5 million of taxpayers’ dosh following the allegations by the convicted Carl Beech get away without censure nor any disciplinary action.

A very timely showing of the last episode of the ITV series coincides with the Met’s failures being aired and criticised.
And PACE now under scrutiny at last.

Maybe saying “No comment” repeatedly under questioning should be interpreted as “Guilty as charged”??

And that old chestnut gets raised again-who polices the police? Especially following the criticism of the inappropriately named Independent Police Complaints Commission-since renamed in a cynical exercise to deflect attention from their patently obvious lack of independence.

I have to go now, I detect my collar will be felt soon!!
I don't live in the UK any longer but I may argue the point: an entity fought and imposed the Police & Criminal Evidence Act that protects more the guilty and unfortunately there is a general tendency for the right of the guilty to be better protected against the right of the society and those of the victim. But I am afraid this is a universal tend with the majority not wanting to change at least from the tolerance shown. Maybe we need a thread on how far it makes sense to to go to guarantee the rights versus the right of the society to operate in a rational way.

About the "No comment"/ unavailable for comment I tried to raise it with an ex who is a journalist and communication specialist but she referred me to an other ex of mine who works in the similar field. I argued that companies claim the right of silence as to avoid putting themselves in a difficult position. At the same time the journalist seems to accept that. I will try to persuade my first ex with whom I still talk to answer me.

barkingmad if you end up with your collar felt you would end up being an ops-normal hero! Unfortunately we don't have a lawyer to help you though.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#105 Post by Ex-Ascot » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:13 pm

Is there a thread that I have missed? What is happening with these activists closing down central London? Tear gas and water cannon, what is the problem? Even chuck raw steaks at them.
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#106 Post by OFSO » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:39 pm

The tear gas and water cannon(s) were purchased by Boris Johnson Esq when he was Mayor of London, but he was forbidden to use them by Theresa May when she was a useless Home Secretary before becoming an even more useless Prime Ministeress and then a useless back-bencher. God, we do get 'em, don't we !

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#107 Post by Ex-Ascot » Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:34 pm

OFSO wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:39 pm
The tear gas and water cannon(s) were purchased by Boris Johnson Esq when he was Mayor of London, but he was forbidden to use them by Theresa May when she was a useless Home Secretary before becoming an even more useless Prime Ministeress and then a useless back-bencher. God, we do get 'em, don't we !
OK, so we have gone the full circle. The PM can now bring in his toys. And rottweilers, and rubber bullets and the SAS just to finish it off. Sorted. Do not see the problem.
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#108 Post by Undried Plum » Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:34 pm

Mebbe they should put dePiffle in charge of Hong Kong.

He'd soon sort out those pesky protesters, wouldn't he?

Put them in their place, so to speak.

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#109 Post by OFSO » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:19 pm

Sadly Boris was forced to sell the three water cannons for scrap. Too much pussy-futting around these ghastly demonstrators. String 'em up, that's what I say. Death's too good for them.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#110 Post by barkingmad » Tue Oct 08, 2019 6:11 pm

Currently being reported the numbers involved are threatening to overwhelm the available police resources.

What will happen if disgruntled “Leavers” take to the streets to protest at BRINO or Remain?

Are the Seismic rumblings being ignored by the ruling elite or being confused with the vibes from underground trains?

Will there be an urge to string up the members of this potential protest movement?! :-\

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#111 Post by Capetonian » Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:37 pm

Apparently the island of Sark (I know it is not part of the UK) is "awash with criminals and the police (1 man) are demanding pepper spray to deal with suspects including drink-drivers - even though cars are banned.

PC Mike Fawson says the idyllic Channel island of Sark is over-run with offenders, and officers need weapons including batons to deal with them."

Offences include drink driving, which means being drunk in charge of a tractor or horse and cart, since there are no cars on the island.

I suspect the article is a spoof but since it's the DM it must be true :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... l#comments

I have been to Sark and it is hard to imagine a more peaceful spot, although I do seem to recall my sister was short changed by 10p. in one of the cafes! Both Guernsey (with which it shares some legislation under the same Bailiwick) and Jersey have major drug and anti-social behaviour problems.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#112 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:33 pm

Both the evil criminals live on Brecqhou ;)))

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#113 Post by Capetonian » Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:23 am

Several news bulletins this week have highlighted the problem of knife crime in the cities, London in particular. Interviewed on one programme, the Dick uttered platitudes and spouted statistics.

There is a column in The Times highlighting how the Police have lost their numbers and their powers, and clearly as we know it is more important to follow up on 'hate' crimes and children stealing a tube of Smarties than on murders and burglaries.
Jenni Russell has friends in London who were burgled while they were away for the weekend. The thieves emptied their house of every valuable, financial as well as sentimental, including a shotgun. Her column illustrates how little the police did.

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#114 Post by Capetonian » Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:18 pm

Even Ireland is affected by increasing violence :

Three teens stabbed at Limerick beauty spot where gangs of youths gather
14-year-old old boy one of three teenagers treated for stab wounds

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#115 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:04 am

Capetonian wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 10:23 am
Several news bulletins this week have highlighted the problem of knife crime in the cities, London in particular. Interviewed on one programme, the Dick uttered platitudes and spouted statistics.

There is a column in The Times highlighting how the Police have lost their numbers and their powers, and clearly as we know it is more important to follow up on 'hate' crimes and children stealing a tube of Smarties than on murders and burglaries.
Jenni Russell has friends in London who were burgled while they were away for the weekend. The thieves emptied their house of every valuable, financial as well as sentimental, including a shotgun. Her column illustrates how little the police did.
There is a theory that you attack even the lowest of the crimes to make the place more safe thus decreasing the more severe crime as well - make the place to appear safer if I may put it like that. I think they tried that in New York in early 70s and it worked.

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#116 Post by Capetonian » Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:12 am

This is true. The Singapore model is a good example too.
The argument often used when the police take action against 'petty' crime, of 'haven't you got more important things to do' is disingenuous since starting with petty crime may lead to elimination of serious crime.
Unfortunately in the UK it has moved too far from common sense, with people being punished because a child drops a sweet paper on the ground, or an old person leaves a rubbish bin 2 inches further from the curb than it should be.
Anti-social behaviour which matters is what should be stamped out.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#117 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:26 am

I see Jacob Rees-Mogg has been humbled and forced to apologise.

His crime? Suggesting that those poor folk trapped in the Grenfell Tower fire should have used common sense and headed for the exit.

Sounds like pretty fuggin good advice to me!

Now, Mogg is from the exact opposite of the social spectrum to the unfortunate victims.
He went to Eton, these poor buggers probably never went to school.
He's loaded, the victims were very poor.
He's English, these folk were mostly members of ethnic minorities.

But all these things have got sod-all to do with it.

His advice is 100% correct. I would have been out of there PDQ, so would most sensible people.

Probably, the Fire guys will revise their advice "stay put and wait to be rescued (and hope to fcuk you don't roast alive before your turn comes...)".

The guys advice was correct, but he's being pilloried because of the differences in the social positions of him and the victims.


Commentators on the Radio are droning on and on about how he's sorry, and he's apologised. For what? For commenting about people who are not like himself? Do you have to be the same as the victims to qualify to speak?

FFS! His bloody comments are golden! Get OUT if your building is on fire!

This is what I'm driving at when I started this thread.

Let's have some more plain speaking, like Mogg, and less hand wringing wankerish comment like on Radio four.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#118 Post by k3k3 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:32 am

He made it clear that it was with the benefit of hindsight and reading the report over the weekend that he made the comments. The media smear campaign is unbelievable, they are showing an edited clip of the phone-in omitting the first part which gives the context.

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#119 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:39 am

Who needs hindsight?
I'd have been out of there like a guided missile.

The advice of the fire service is idiotic. I've always thought so. In the US they initially told those in the WTC to stay put too, advice they swiftly reversed when the first one collapsed.

People should be encouraged to think for themselves.

Mogg should be congratulated for stating the blindingly obvious, but wtf is wrong with people who sit still and end up getting burnt or smoked to death?

Whatever happened to common sense? It's been replaced by non-thinking idiocy.

WTF is happening to the UK?

We need to change tack, and soon. Lord knows where this will end.

But the way Rees-Mogg is being slapped down shows we are in the ***** deeper than we realise.

Thank fcuk I live elsewhere....it's pathetic, but at least I can claim to have dissociated myself from it directly.

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#120 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:08 am

From what I heard, I thought his remark was directed at the fire brigade advice. Then, by implication I guess the residents.

Would YOU stay put?

Many people will ignore the alarm and stay put anyway. We watched a hotel opposite with alarms going off. We saw bedroom curtains twitching and people stayed in their rooms.

Others will automatically obey the existing rules which were stay put.

Right or wrong JRM only said what many would think.

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