WTF is happening in the UK?
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Because releasing the information does nothing to explain "the lack of a rapid solution." nor does it make "nasty things...go away or be solved quickly". Their job is simply to find her, dead or alive, and if criminality was involved, arrest the perpetrator.
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I suspect the purpose of the release was to make people aware that the missing woman may not have been acting rationally. Therefore, any search will likely take a lot longer. It also implies that she may have left the area voluntarily without the usual rational behaviour of contacting or telling someone. And by secondary implication, the fact that the search is taking a long time may not be due to an abduction; thus nasty things have at least partly gone away in the general public's mind.
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^ But there was no need to go into specific details about the missing persons personal life. Also, it doesn't rule out any foul play by a third party, or indeed an accident.
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If the missing person had been a man, would the Police release a statement that the person had alcohol problems related to coping with erectile dysfunction? Somehow I think not!
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Personally, I couldn't agree more.^ But there was no need to go into specific details about the missing persons personal life. Also, it doesn't rule out any foul play by a third party, or indeed an accident.
As I said, I'm trying to explain based on what I've been told by Police Officers, not trying to justify.
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Which now begs the obvious question - can you now justify automatically 'trusting' a police officer?
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?
Erm, could you ever?
The UK is slightly different, but not much.
The police want a conviction. They'd like to convict the guilty party, but a conviction will do. It gets the politicians off their back and looks good for their stats, and so their promotions.
They have quotas. Quotas are government's way of saying we don't care about excuses, prosecute someone.
If they are looking to convict someone, not the right one, they'll pick the easiest person. Don't be the easiest person. Say nothing at all. Certainly not until you've spoken to a solicitor. Who will tell you to say nothing at all that you haven't discussed with them first.
The UK is slightly different, but not much.
The police want a conviction. They'd like to convict the guilty party, but a conviction will do. It gets the politicians off their back and looks good for their stats, and so their promotions.
They have quotas. Quotas are government's way of saying we don't care about excuses, prosecute someone.
If they are looking to convict someone, not the right one, they'll pick the easiest person. Don't be the easiest person. Say nothing at all. Certainly not until you've spoken to a solicitor. Who will tell you to say nothing at all that you haven't discussed with them first.
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Fox3, I could not agree more with your statement above. A conviction is all the police are interested in.
However, I believe the whole UK legal system is skewed towards 'the establishment'. By that I mean that in many cases an accused has to prove innocence rather that much vaunted, 'innocent until proven guilty'. An example of this are senior police officers stating publicly that 'victims' of crimes (particularly alleged sexual crimes), should come forward as, 'you will be believed'. Thus statements are used in court as evidence and taken as true when they may well be total fabrications. The accused then has to prove that the accusation is untrue, which can often be very difficult. Solicitors and barristers for the defence are too often no such thing and are also after the easy option with advice to plead guilty to get a lighter sentence. They all go home at night with much less bother whilst an innocent person gets taken off to prison. And as for the Probation Service, what a joke they are, if only it were not so serious. An organisation so unfit for purpose, I could almost write a book on the subject of their incompetence.
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However, I believe the whole UK legal system is skewed towards 'the establishment'. By that I mean that in many cases an accused has to prove innocence rather that much vaunted, 'innocent until proven guilty'. An example of this are senior police officers stating publicly that 'victims' of crimes (particularly alleged sexual crimes), should come forward as, 'you will be believed'. Thus statements are used in court as evidence and taken as true when they may well be total fabrications. The accused then has to prove that the accusation is untrue, which can often be very difficult. Solicitors and barristers for the defence are too often no such thing and are also after the easy option with advice to plead guilty to get a lighter sentence. They all go home at night with much less bother whilst an innocent person gets taken off to prison. And as for the Probation Service, what a joke they are, if only it were not so serious. An organisation so unfit for purpose, I could almost write a book on the subject of their incompetence.
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I don't think the UK system is different to any other.
I am loath to ascribe too much blame to those within the system. People have to earn a living. If the Government moves the goalposts, those with families do not often have the option of swapping careers, and not everyone (by a long chalk) has our level of bravery. I reserve my contempt for those at the top of the 'system', such as it is.
Personally, I've abandoned two careers because I was being asked to either do the impossible or the contemptible, and as such I understand the sacrifices that leaving a career entails. I do not blame the average person who baulks at that.
I am loath to ascribe too much blame to those within the system. People have to earn a living. If the Government moves the goalposts, those with families do not often have the option of swapping careers, and not everyone (by a long chalk) has our level of bravery. I reserve my contempt for those at the top of the 'system', such as it is.
Personally, I've abandoned two careers because I was being asked to either do the impossible or the contemptible, and as such I understand the sacrifices that leaving a career entails. I do not blame the average person who baulks at that.
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A mile downstream from where she disappeared, and body was not found by the police. Hardly an extensive search, was it.
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The Wyre isn't significantly tidal at that point. You have to get down to Cartford before it is.
Is there any aspect of their handling of this case that Lancashire Police now aren't being asked questions about?
Is there any aspect of their handling of this case that Lancashire Police now aren't being asked questions about?
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So, the guy with the sophisticated radar failed to find her . . .
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And the dive teams, and the drone operators, and the police helicopter, and the boat teams, and the bank-walking PCs.
I presume they actually did use all of these.
I've just seen video showing a police boat team approaching the Cartford Toll Bridge from upstream, so they definitely went past the spot where the body was found.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17296 ... dog-walker
We will have to see if there's any evidence that the body was placed in the water later. If that's not the case, it doesn't say much for their search efforts.
Still, I'm sure the Chief Constable of Lancashire will soon find himself Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. Missing the bleedin' obvious is the top quality required for that job.
I presume they actually did use all of these.
I've just seen video showing a police boat team approaching the Cartford Toll Bridge from upstream, so they definitely went past the spot where the body was found.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/17296 ... dog-walker
We will have to see if there's any evidence that the body was placed in the water later. If that's not the case, it doesn't say much for their search efforts.
Still, I'm sure the Chief Constable of Lancashire will soon find himself Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. Missing the bleedin' obvious is the top quality required for that job.
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DT reporting that the specialist private team weren't looking in the reeds.
I guess there will be a fair bit of finger-pointing and "Not me, guv"s in the next few days.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... und-river/
One wonders whether the job boundaries were defined clearly enough, and the Police thought he was searching the reeds so didn't themselves.“We weren't searching the reeds, our job was to search the water.”
I guess there will be a fair bit of finger-pointing and "Not me, guv"s in the next few days.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/0 ... und-river/
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The answer to "how does one dispose of s body after committing murder" is now clear. Throw it in a river, and inform Lancashire police.
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You are not the only one to be thinking along those lines but dare not say it out loud.
The river was only two feet deep where she was supposed to have fallen in.
There is a weir between there and the reeds in which the body was found.
On the path leading from the river to the road there is a fork without CCTV coverage.
How can a body suddenly appear after three weeks of intensive searching, and be so obvious as to be found by random people out for a walk?
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Gas from decomposition helps float maybe?
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