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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6221 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:21 pm

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Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:04 pm
Police in Norfolk ignored a 999 call.
Family of 4 found dead when they responded to a second one an hour later.
Since the person who apparently made the first call was one of the dead, the lack of police response doesn't exactly look good.
They have, at least, referred themselves to the watchdog..for whatever that's worth. "Lessons Will Be Learned", obviously
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6222 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:28 pm

Usual mawkish reporting mixed in with an ineffectual police PR word salad, but here you go
A police force has referred itself to the watchdog after it failed to respond to a 999 call an hour before four members of the same family were found dead.
Norfolk Police confirmed today that a 999 call had been made by a man from a home in Costessey, near Norwich, on Friday an hour before a concerned member of the public raised the alarm but “police resources were not deployed”.
Officers were only sent to the house after receiving a second call at 7am from a member of the public concerned about the people inside. The four bodies were found after police broke in at 7.15am.
Two young sisters described as “beautiful girls” were among those killed and were identified locally as Jasmin Kuczynska, 12, and her seven-year-old sister. They both attended local schools and were often seen walking around.
They were found alongside their father Bartlomiej Kuczynski, 45, and a 36-year-old woman.

On Friday the force referred itself to the Independent Office for Police Conduct due to police contact at the address on Dec 14 which related to Mr Kuczynski going missing.
On Saturday the force made a second referral to the watchdog after admitting officers had failed to respond to a 999 call on the day of the suspected murder-suicide.
Well-wishers including crying girls left flowers in the family’s memory outside their home on Saturday.
Detectives have confirmed that the four who died in the “isolated incident” were two girls, a man and a woman who all had injuries.
Officers said they were from the same family and that the two girls and the man lived in the semi-detached house while the woman who died was “visiting and didn’t live at the property”.
Mr Kuczynski’s Thai-born wife Nanthaka Kuczynska, who was known as Nan, had reportedly not been seen by neighbours for months.
Others said that her sister had recently moved in to help care for the girls and Polish-born structural engineer Mr Kuczynski who had been suffering from mental health issues.
“It is just awful, Jocelyn Atienza, 50, a mother-of-two who lives nearby said. “The two girls were lovely sisters and beautiful girls.
“They were nice girls who were a little shy. We used to see them walking around together. They would look really happy when they were out with friends.
“The older one would catch the bus to school, and her little sister would walk to the primary school by herself.
“Their mother was friendly and we always used to say hi hello to each other in the street, but I have not seen her around for some time.
“She always used to put up decorations for Halloween and Christmas outside their home, but her husband was putting up decorations instead of her last December.”

Jasmin was a pupil at Taverham High School while her sister was a pupil at the Queen’s Hill Primary School on the Queen’s Hill estate where they lived.
Mr Kuczynski is understood to have lived in Britain for the last 20 years after graduating from Wroclaw University of Technology in Poland.
His home remained cordoned off by police today as white-suited forensic officers were seen going in and out of a large white tent erected beside the front door.
The Bishop of Norwich the Right Rev Graham Usher said wanted to offer “prayers for all impacted by this tragic news, especially the wider family and people from Costessey”.
He added: “I’ve spoken to our local clergy who are offering support in the communities they serve and will be opening churches for those who want to come and pray/talk.”
A force spokesperson said: “Yesterday, officers confirmed the incident had been referred to the Independent Office of Police Conduct (IOPC), as per standard procedure, due to police contact at the address on 14 December which related to a missing person enquiry.
“A second referral has been made to the IOPC today [20 January] following the identification of a 999 call made yesterday morning at 6am by a man at the address and police resources were not deployed.”
Detectives investigating ‘the circumstances of the incident’
The force said it was carrying out additional uniformed patrols in Costessey as “detectives continue to investigate the circumstances of the incident”.
The spokesperson added: “A police cordon remains in place and forensic investigations will continue today inside the property.
“Detectives have been carrying out house-to-house enquiries, speaking with witnesses and are continuing to examine local CCTV footage.”
Detective Chief Inspector Chris Burgess, from the Norfolk and Suffolk Major Investigation Team, is leading the enquiry and has thanked the local community for their support.
He said: “We’ve had a heavy police presence in the area since yesterday morning and there’s understandably concern in the local community.

“However, their help and support in the investigation has been unwavering and on behalf of everyone involved in this devastating incident, we’re extremely grateful for that.
“Today, the focus of our enquiries remains at the address and we’re examining local CCTV.
“While we’re still piecing together what’s happened, at this stage we remain satisfied that this is an isolated incident.
“We’re aware of commentary on social media and in news media, however, I would emphasise that formal identification is yet to take place.
“As I said yesterday, we believe the man and two children lived at the address, and while the woman was staying there, she wasn’t a permanent resident.”
Post mortem examinations are due to be held “in due course” to establish the cause of the deaths.
I am not paywalled in Canada, so you might want to look at your settings, PHX. I do have adblockers, and clear my cache after every browser session.
I suspect the latter may be your problem. You may well find clearing cookies from Telegraph.co.uk solves the paywall problem.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6223 Post by PHXPhlyer » Sat Jan 20, 2024 6:35 pm

Thanks.
I'll try that.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6225 Post by FD2 » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:15 pm

Or the alternative. Who can dig the country out of its mess?


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#6226 Post by PHXPhlyer » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:44 pm

You're welcome to him.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6227 Post by FD2 » Tue Jan 23, 2024 8:50 pm

From an incompetent bunch who seem to have accomplished sweet F.A. in the last 13 years or so, apart from stabbing each other in the back and making the UK's armed forces a laughing stock, it must be reassuring to know that the next lot have their priorities right.


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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6228 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Tue Jan 23, 2024 9:50 pm

If you elected some real clowns, at least they would have big enough shoes that they didn't keep falling onto one knee.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6229 Post by John Hill » Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:15 am

Yeah, so what is it with the genuflexion ?
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6230 Post by FD2 » Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:47 am

The day of George Floyd’s funeral apparently called for extra genuflection.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6231 Post by PHXPhlyer » Wed Jan 24, 2024 4:03 pm

Royal Mail is on the brink. Cutting letter deliveries to 3 days a week could save it

https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/24/business ... index.html

Royal Mail could ditch its near-daily deliveries of letters as the centuries-old British institution attempts to modernize its service and plug a growing hole in its finances.

Ofcom, the UK regulator overseeing the postal service, published proposals to rescue the beleaguered company Wednesday. It said Royal Mail could save as much as £650 million ($828 million) a year if it cut letter deliveries to three days a week from the current six.

The company’s business model is “getting out of date” and risks becoming “unsustainable” as people send fewer letters and receive more parcels, Ofcom said.

The number of letters sent via the Royal Mail network had halved since 2011, and financial losses have ballooned.

Among its other proposals, Ofcom suggested that Royal Mail could save up to £200 million ($255 million) a year by cutting its letter deliveries down to five days a week, or by extending the time it takes to get mail to customers.

“Something’s got to give, or the service is going to be too costly, and either stamp prices will go up or it will become unsustainable,” Melanie Dawes, Ofcom’s chief executive, said in an interview with the BBC Wednesday.

Any changes to Royal Mail’s Monday-Saturday letter delivery schedule would need to be approved by lawmakers because the company’s service obligations are set out in legislation. It delivers parcels five days a week, Monday to Friday.

Kevin Hollinrake, the United Kingdom’s postal services minister, told the BBC Wednesday that it was important to maintain a six-day service, and that Saturday deliveries were “sacrosanct,” in part, because many businesses, such as those producing magazines and greeting cards, required deliveries over the weekend.

No longer sustainable
Ofcom said Royal Mail was not currently providing a “reliable service” and change was urgently needed, a view shared by the company’s parent — International Distribution Services (IDS).

“It is not sustainable to maintain a network built for 20 billion letters when we are now only delivering 7 billion,” IDS CEO Martin Seidenberg told CNN in a statement.

The regulator fined the company, which was owned by the UK government until its privatization around a decade ago, £5.6 million ($7 million) last year for failing to deliver mail on time.

At the time, Ofcom said the pandemic had significantly hampered Royal Mail’s operations, but that the firm could “no longer use that as an excuse” for poor performance.

Royal Mail reported an operating loss of £319 million ($407 million) in the six months to the end of September, up 46% from the loss it recorded during the same period a year earlier. Its parent company, International Distribution Services, said low revenues and the cost of a pay deal agreed with a major postal workers’ union were behind the loss.

Ofcom said its proposals were meant to start a “national discussion” about the future of Royal Mail — an institution that is more than 500 years old — and that it would hold events in the next few months with individuals and businesses to ask for feedback.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6232 Post by Karearea » Sat Jan 27, 2024 8:52 pm

Major incident declared in Liverpool after large fire in city centre

In the video, looks an interesting mode of spread... :-?

What is the building, I wonder?
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6233 Post by OFSO » Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:36 pm

What is the building ? Insured !

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6234 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:38 pm

The building appears to be an incomplete block of apartments.
From streetview, there appears to have been zero progress for at least 10 months, and probably at least 6 months more than that from the state of it back in March 2023.

So, it's either an insurance job, or homeless people using it for shelter/drugs and letting a fire get out of control, or just casual arson like wot scousers do.

It is of wooden construction, as is done over here in North America, so would ignite easily and will doubtless now be a total write-off.

The CCTV signs belong to Nationwide Management Services. I don't know what that implies about ownership.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6235 Post by Woody » Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:20 pm

I know that area and I remember a couple of years ago, there was some problems with the building renovation involving fire regulations, looks like they were right.

Found something

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... e-16322051
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6236 Post by Fox3WheresMyBanana » Sun Jan 28, 2024 1:51 am

There's no problem with building apartment blocks out of wood - it's normal here.
What appears to have happened is that they added external cladding to an earlier block, didn't include firestops, it wasn't picked up by the company's own building inspector (apparently this laughably open-to-abuse arrangement is allowed in UK), and the council failed the building after completion.
I'll bet the construction company has run out of cash due to the mortgage cost increases, was unable to complete the earlier block and so restart generating income, and decided to burn down this one to get the insurance money to complete the earlier block....and this still might work. One awaits the insurance company's reaction.

p.s. If you think local government building inspectors are the answer, I have a very long list of examples otherwise, including Grenfell Towers.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6237 Post by tango15 » Sun Jan 28, 2024 10:06 am

Fox3WheresMyBanana wrote:
Sat Jan 27, 2024 9:38 pm
The building appears to be an incomplete block of apartments.
From streetview, there appears to have been zero progress for at least 10 months, and probably at least 6 months more than that from the state of it back in March 2023.

So, it's either an insurance job, or homeless people using it for shelter/drugs and letting a fire get out of control, or just casual arson like wot scousers do.

It is of wooden construction, as is done over here in North America, so would ignite easily and will doubtless now be a total write-off.

The CCTV signs belong to Nationwide Management Services. I don't know what that implies about ownership.
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6238 Post by Woody » Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:10 pm

Apparently Everton football club is under investigation by The Inland Revenue for tax evasion....

They've been claiming for silver polish for the past 28 years...
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#6239 Post by tango15 » Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:56 pm

Woody wrote:
Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:10 pm
Apparently Everton football club is under investigation by The Inland Revenue for tax evasion....

They've been claiming for silver polish for the past 28 years...
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#6240 Post by Woody » Sat Feb 03, 2024 9:01 pm

Ben Habib is hoping for an early election as it looks like quite a few of his supporters won’t last much longer :-?

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