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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3461 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:45 am

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Rather shocking news this morning, the lorry driver shortage in Germany caused by Brexit has resulted in tanker drivers without the qualifications being recruited as emergency measures, I wonder how the insurance will work, that certainly is a desperation move by Germany.

Every garage forecourt in my area is in normal operation, queues of two or three cars, diesel, E5 and E10 available. It is thought that the precautionary stand by of Army drivers will result in the resumption of normal service throughout the country in a few days, a potential crisis well handled in my opinion.
With om15 we often get a half baked, false or, at least, tendentious statement of the reality. The problem will not be miraculously solved by 200 army drivers. There is a shortage of drivers, judged those who know, of some 100,000 drivers across all industry sectors in this country.

Quite naturally, the Germans would rather have their people working in their economy rather in the UK, particularly after Brexit. There is a world wide shortage of HGV drivers, and Germany, like many other countries, has been affected. Britain has foolishly allowed the problem to get out of hand in the pursuit of the Brexit agenda, and has been very badly impacted by the loss of the drivers we did have working here from Europe. The German government is clearly no more competent than ours mind, in the realm of targetting their driver market, as the article below highlights.
The government has asked thousands of Germans residing in the UK to drive lorries to assist with the HGV shortage, even if they have never driven one before.

A letter was sent by the Department for Transport, signed by transport minister Baroness Vere, asking Germans who live in Britain to “consider returning” to the HGV driving sector.

The letter states: “Your valuable skills and experience have never been more needed than they are now.

“There are fantastic HGV driving opportunities in the logistics industry and conditions of employment have been improving across the sector. As well as attractive pay rates, we are seeing more options for flexible working, fixed hours, fixed days, full time and part time.”

German driving licences issued before 1999 include an entitlement to drive a small to medium-sized truck of up to 7.5 tonnes. It is understood that almost all Germans residing in the UK who hold such a licence have been sent the letter, almost none of whom have ever driven an HGV before.

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One 41-year-old German man, who received two copies of the letter at his London home on Friday morning, one addressed to him and another for his wife, told The Independent.

“We were quite surprised,” he said. “I’m sure pay and conditions for HGV drivers have improved, but ultimately I have decided to carry on in my role at an investment bank. My wife has never driven anything larger than a Volvo, so she is also intending to decline the exciting opportunity.

“It is nice to know there are specialist jobs available here for us though after Brexit. We would never have been headhunted to drive a lorry if we’d gone back to Germany.”
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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3462 Post by om15 » Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:31 pm

This short clip gives insight into the current European crisis, it is noteworthy to see that the EU are blaming the crisis in Europe on their own over complex transport regulations, something which some of us realised some years ago


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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3463 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:55 pm

om15 wrote:
Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:31 pm
This short clip gives insight into the current European crisis, it is noteworthy to see that the EU are blaming the crisis in Europe on their own over complex transport regulations, something which some of us realised some years ago

It is almost amusing to see how you fixate on a supposed crisis in Europe, when the real crisis resides here in the UK. The cognitive dissonance in your Brexit addled brain is a wonder to behold. You should worry about what is going on here in the UK, right now! Blindly believing whatever you want to believe, won't alter the reality at all.
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#3464 Post by Boac » Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:04 pm

The PM om15 elected to power said
"Pointing to the recent growth in wages, Mr Johnson told the BBC: “I’ve given you the most important metric – never mind life expectancy, never mind cancer outcomes – look at wage growth.”

Wonderful. Bugger the sick and let's have rampant inflation.

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#3465 Post by Rwy in Sight » Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:13 am

How long does it take to earn the ADR qualification?

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#3466 Post by larsssnowpharter » Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:26 am

As I recall, the basic ADR can take as little as 3 days. Costs were about £300 a while back now likely to be about double that.

There are various bolt on bits covering
Tankers
Explosives
Lithium batteries
Radioactive
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Costs likely to be in the same bracket.

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#3467 Post by Boac » Sun Oct 03, 2021 10:17 am

How long for the qualification to be valid - it is DVLA?

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#3468 Post by larsssnowpharter » Sun Oct 03, 2021 11:44 am

My recollection is 5 years.

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#3469 Post by Boac » Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:46 pm

Are you saying 5 years to qualify as a tanker driver??!!! Makes the current 'short-term fuel crisis look a bit long-term!

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#3470 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:43 pm

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Are you saying 5 years to qualify as a tanker driver??!!! Makes the current 'short-term fuel crisis look a bit long-term!
It should take between 1 to 2 years to become proficient and experienced enough to be acceptable as a tanker driver, although in theory you could get the LGV (HGV) and ADR in about+- 3 months. Actually in theory it can be done in less than a month but that doesn't take the gross inefficiency of the licensing authorities etc. into account. Given the irrationality in this place at the moment I expect to see all sorts of plonkers on the road in the near future, who have been entrusted with dangerous goods well before they are proficient as heavy goods drivers. Welcome to the Kingdom of WhereTheFUKabi (not part of Africa), where progress will be marked by the distance one can drive between serious conflagrations, general mayhem and traffic accidents... =))
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#3471 Post by larsssnowpharter » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:24 pm

Sorry BOAC. What I meant was that the validity is 5 years for the ADR.

Some 20 years ago, after an expensive divorce, I spent a year as a self employed HGV driver doing multi drop for freight forwarders around Heathrow. I had all the dangerous goods add ons and my license covered just about anything on wheels (or tracks). At the time, the money was good. My recollection is that I was pulling in about £25/hr.

A concern I have at the moment is that I have read that the driving hours regulations have been relaxed. No idea if this is true but those restrictions were put in place for a reason.

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#3472 Post by Ibbie » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:30 pm

Add to that the present delay at the Vehcle and Driver Licencing place in Wales in issuing any form of document, be that licences or vehicle documentation. They are weeks behind.

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#3473 Post by larsssnowpharter » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:35 pm

Interesting. Seeing as that is the bottleneck perhaps that is where the military reinforcements should go. One has heard that the RAF has a Tactical Admin Wing. Off to Wales with them!

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#3474 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:49 pm

Ibbie wrote:
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Add to that the present delay at the Vehcle and Driver Licencing place in Wales in issuing any form of document, be that licences or vehicle documentation. They are weeks behind.
+1

There is a very large backlog in LGV licences wating to be issued apparently!


https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... ce-backlog
This week the DfT admitted in response to a parliamentary question that there were 56,144 applications for vocational driving licences – for lorry and bus drivers – awaiting processing. It said of these, about 4,000 were for provisional licences, while the “vast majority” were for renewals. In most cases, drivers could continue to drive while the application was being processed.
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#3475 Post by 4mastacker » Sun Oct 03, 2021 7:33 pm

larsssnowpharter wrote:
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...... One has heard that the RAF has a Tactical Admin Wing. ....
Started off in 1982 by a career ambitious Wg Cdr Admin Sec with a long-wheel base Landrover. Don't know how far that plan got as he was sent down to the FI after the conflict.. I heard their portacabin was the only one on Stanley Airport with flower beds and white rope fences marking the footpath - very tactical. Whilst the "TAW" were setting themselves up at Scampton, they wanted the Paint Shop to paint their 4-drawer filing cabinets in IRR green - they were given a can of paint, some brushes and told to get on with it.
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#3476 Post by ian16th » Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:03 pm

Admin's finest hour was the impeccable way in that they handled my posting from the V-Force to Akrotiri during the Cuban Crisis.
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#3477 Post by AtomKraft » Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:31 am

I've had a few dealings with the DVLA recently. A couple of V5s and a new License photo card.

I applied for a new V5 last Monday. It arrived on Thursday.

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#3478 Post by Woody » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:37 am

AtomKraft wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:31 am
I've had a few dealings with the DVLA recently. A couple of V5s and a new License photo card.

I applied for a new V5 last Monday. It arrived on Thursday.
Similar with Passport Office, JuniorWoodys renewal took just over a week from starting process to delivery :-bd
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#3479 Post by CharlieOneSix » Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:18 am

+1....Mrs C16 recently applied online for her renewal driving licence on a weekend and received it on the Thursday.
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#3480 Post by Boac » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:05 am

That's good to hear. Dealings with DVLA last year were disastrous.

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