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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3621 Post by om15 » Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:28 pm

Perhaps those who couldn't be bothered to discharge their civic responsibilities by voting in the last election might rue their laziness, however those of us who did can now take quiet pride in that we, in a small way, are indeed responsible for where we are.

This is an excellent development, it does look like that behind the scenes the Government are indeed fulfilling the wishes of the majority of the electorate, (those that voted anyway).
Britain is working on plans to withdraw from three major EU research programmes, which would see Brussels denied up to £15 billion funding.

Amid deteriorating relations with Brussels, the Government has commenced work on domestic alternatives should the UK pull the plug on Horizon Europe, Copernicus and Euratom.

They are the bloc’s €90 billion (£77 billion) flagship scientific, satellite, and nuclear programmes, which the UK agreed to remain part of when it signed the Brexit trade deal last year.

It suggests that ministers are actively drawing up measures to mitigate retaliatory options open to the European Commission, should Britain be forced to trigger Article 16 of the Northern Ireland Protocol in the coming weeks.

The UK is set to contribute £2.1 billion annually to the seven-year Horizon programme in order to maintain access for British scientists and researchers to pan-European projects and funding.

It has also secured access to the Copernicus Earth observation programme, deemed vital to the UK space sector, while reaching a separate deal on continued involvement in the Euratom nuclear research programme.

However, entry has been stalled by the EU despite other non-member states such as Norway already receiving formal association status – meaning British institutions are missing out on research and funding opportunities.

Now a leaked government paper, circulated at a Brexit Cabinet sub-committee this week, has revealed that ministers believe the delay is a deliberate bid by Brussels to create leverage in the talks over Northern Ireland, and that the programmes will soon stop representing value for money.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3622 Post by Boac » Sun Nov 07, 2021 2:51 pm

Some didn't vote??!!

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#3623 Post by emjay » Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:28 am

After 20 months stranded out of the UK due to Covid travel restrictions, finally found a way to untangle the red tape and grab a flight back to LHR. The requirements were much less onerous than last month. If already fully vaccinated, you are entitled to a pseudo-quarantine at home, provided you sign up in advance for a Day 2 and Day 5 test. Nope, can't use the NHS mechanism, these have to be prepaid from a limited list of vendors.

Why? Well you need a receipt number to fill in on your Passenger Locator Form - well at least that's online at the .gov site and a reasonable task once you adjust to the 'one fact per page' style. You now receive a confirmation with a giant QR code that is ready to be scanned on entry. This glittering prize wasn't won easy. The build up was getting vaccinated in a 3rd world country (and finding a way to prove that) + getting a negative PCR test at a recognised lab with the sample taken less than 48hrs before boarding (tricky since the typical PCR turnaround is 3 days).

You set off on your journey courtesy of SIA who do a fabulous job of adjusting their service to minimise the chance of cross infection. :-bd After the first leg, you get shunted into an airside holding pen at Changi and thence on to the long haul 14 hr leg to LHR. The slick organisation continues throughout that flight within even a controlled disembarkation to aid social distancing on the way out. ^:)^

Now all change. T3 is a seething mass of "multinationals" surging hopefully to baggage claim. Sadly, there are some nominal issues about entering the country that requires interaction with Border Farce. To be fair, the crowd control boys have set up an impressive rat maze that covers seemingly half an acre. Curiously they seem ill-informed about Brexit - you get partitioned into "UK+EU" or "Other". The space is already overwhelmed - distancing is impossible as the beaters encourage more and more to enter the maze. Mask wearing is sporadic at best with the commonest styles as Chin Warmer and Nose Exposed.

There is the method in the partitioning - the EU/UK mob is inching towards to the magic automated gates. Several are actually turned on - success rate is around 50%. The unlucky (including me) get extracted and stuck into another maze for manual intervention.
This is served slowly by two active booths. After a while another uniformed BF representative in a resplendent turban appears, raising one's hopes that with far sighted scheduling, realisation has dawned that all early mornings are a busy time. Alas, it is not to be - he is just swapping seats; the service count remains at two. You cheer yourself with the thought that the "Others" without the benefit of any autoscan are serviced also by two active booths. Their maze covers a larger acreage and is distinctly humming with some mystery blend of oriental scents.

You edge forward, now 90 mins of immersion in the cross-infection miasma. Never mind, they all must have their PLF since that's the rules right? So there will be a secondary check of this right? That flushed granny with the hacking cough attended by a burka-clad daughter or the two snotty-nosed kids playing tag are perfectly safe right?

Well, actually no. Due to staffing health and safety concerns there is NO PLF checking. None. Nada. Zilch. Oh, there is a polite notice, in english only, that states random checks on PLF status "may be performed periodically". Well with the accuracy of a single, now 2 hour observation it appears that the periodicity approaches that of Haley's comet.

What is going on? Is this just incompetence or a deliberate policy to maximise risk? All the struggle of those months of restrictions is blown away by Border Farce not doing a half way decent job. I'm glad of their confidence - none of their staff can be arsed to wear a mask.

Mea culpa - I am clearly out of touch. Covid is conquered.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3624 Post by Boac » Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:16 am

Welcome to BoJo's world.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3625 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:47 am

emjay, welcome back, glad you enjoyed the trip. Enjoy your stay. 😢

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3626 Post by om15 » Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:46 am

Welcome home.

A familiar tale, it is now obvious that all public institutions and nationalised industries intend to work at home, do nothing and unctuously blame covid and brexit.
Until we have a proper Prime Minister that privatises the NHS, Border Force, parts of the Police Service, disbands the BBC, carries out massive purges of leftie councils we are stuck with it.
We need a proper right wing PM, not this wet leftie, socialism simply does not work as Mr Biden is demonstrating, you might have found it an easier and safer experience to have travelled here by dingy.

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#3627 Post by Undried Plum » Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:10 am

The criminal entrants do seem to have VIP treatment at their chosen 'port of entry', usually a shingle or sand beach, while law abiding citizens such as emjay are treated as criminals ought to be treated.

Privatising BAA was profitable, but is clearly a disaster on the ground.

BoJo and his cronies don't have to tangle with the likes of T5. Arriving at Northolt in a bizjet is so much more convenient, innit.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3628 Post by Woody » Tue Nov 09, 2021 10:52 am

privatises the NHS, Border Force, parts of the Police Service,
. Yes ,Privatisation has been so successful for the railways, water and electricity companies , unless of course you are billionaire owner :((
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#3629 Post by reddo » Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:22 am

The UK PLF is checked by being linked to your passport. That's why you can now use the e-gates. That's what a Border Force person told me recently. Prior to them being linked, the PLF had to be sighted by a BF person.

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#3630 Post by Boac » Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:29 am

Woody wrote:Yes ,Privatisation has been so successful for the railways, water and electricity companies , unless of course you are billionaire owner
Indeed, Woody, the thought of a Conservative government further ripping off the electorate with shiny new lobbying deals on all the new privatised companies is a nightmare. Geoffrey Cox could spend the WHOLE year in the Caribbean working for his constituency instead of 6 months.

I don't think om has a clue!

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#3631 Post by om15 » Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:51 am

I certainly have personal on going experience of a non working NHS, my son had gama knife treatment for a brain tumour some years ago, he recently suffered a brain bleed but is unable to have tests or see a nerologist for three months, meanwhile we are hoping that he won't have another bleed.

I have first hand experience of a completely biased leftie BBC, as does everyone else, but on the other hand I have no problem being supplied with reasonably priced electricity and water.

So as far as my circumstances suit, I am in full favour of non unionised privatised services, my dentist is funded privately, I have recieved full dental and oral hygienist services through the pandemic for a modest outlay, my chiropractor yanks me about every couple of months for a small fee, however after 49 years of NI contributions I have an NHS that can't be bothered to answer a telephone.

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Re: WTF is happening in the UK?

#3632 Post by emjay » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:12 pm

reddo wrote:
Tue Nov 09, 2021 11:22 am
The UK PLF is checked by being linked to your passport. That's why you can now use the e-gates. That's what a Border Force person told me recently. Prior to them being linked, the PLF had to be sighted by a BF person.
A truly grand step forward if actually true - the data is there since your PLF requires your passport number. But is this actually implemented? Perhaps that was one reason for rejecting so many at the e-gates.
But BF frontliners seem not to have received that memo since no one was challenged for their QR code - the booths are close enough to have seen if that had happened.

I now have the dubious pleasure of taking a video of sticking a swab up my nose. Required as evidence of performance of the Day 2 test. :ymsigh:

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#3633 Post by Rossian » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:29 pm

My personal experience of the Border Force/PLF check was excellent. 1130 at night EDI man sez "Is your car in the multiparky car store?" It is. "I see you have just turned 80 Mr Rossian and that you are driving across to the other side of the river to stay in your hotel. It has been raining and getting out of the parking to the road across is a bit of a nightmare - do be careful.(He was right there). And tomorrow take care going up the A9 to Morayshire. It's allright Mrs Rossian I don't need any of your hard copy paperwork, it's all linked to your passports. Goodnight" All done in about 3 minutes. Oh and our day2 tests were waiting when we got home.

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#3634 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:33 pm

Why do the British make life so complicated all the time? :ymsigh:

And what is the purpose of all this paperwork and testing? Here we have a much simpler system in place and we"re not dropping down like flies as a result. So there! :p
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#3635 Post by Woody » Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:52 pm

Mrs Ex-Ascot wrote:
Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:33 pm
Why do the British make life so complicated all the time? :ymsigh:

And what is the purpose of all this paperwork and testing? Here we have a much simpler system in place and we"re not dropping down like flies as a result. So there! :p
Could you please have a word with your Southern neighbour, as I am just coming across more and more officialdom :((
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#3637 Post by Mrs Ex-Ascot » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:47 am

Woody wrote:
Tue Nov 09, 2021 2:52 pm
Mrs Ex-Ascot wrote:
Tue Nov 09, 2021 1:33 pm
Why do the British make life so complicated all the time? :ymsigh:

And what is the purpose of all this paperwork and testing? Here we have a much simpler system in place and we"re not dropping down like flies as a result. So there! :p
Could you please have a word with your Southern neighbour, as I am just coming across more and more officialdom :((
:-? Down here when crossing borders all you need is a valid vaccination certificate or a negative PCR test taken within 72 hours of travel. No quarantine or self isolation and no extra tests on days one,five and ten. And if you are crossing borders regularly you can get a 14 day pass.

Maybe the Seth Effricans are exacting sweet revenge on the Brits for keeping us all on your red list for so long....... :D
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#3638 Post by Woody » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:55 am

Going for my preflight PCR test today, discovered yesterday that I need one to leave ZA as well, so I arrive Friday and will have to book a departure test for Saturday or Sunday as I’m flying back Monday evening :((

Printed off my entry and exit forms for passport control and this is definitely a first, you now need a code provided by the DVLA to hire a car :-o
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#3639 Post by om15 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:11 am

That was interesting UP, some good points were made in that presentation.

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#3640 Post by Pontius Navigator » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:13 am

Woody, we are preparing for a PCR test when we fly. It is required 3 days before. Now is midday Wednesday to midday Saturday 3 days or 4?

One tester 'guarantees' results by 10pm the day following the test. That means a test no later than Thursday.

Suddenly the available period for the test narrows drastically.

Woody, looks like you need to take your test on arrival or Saturday depending on what counts as 3 days and allowing time to get the result.

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