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Re: Migrants

#661 Post by John Hill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:33 am

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Where are you from John?, clearly not NZ.

Were your Grandparents British?
I cannot see any advantage to be had by answering these personal questions.
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#662 Post by John Hill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 2:37 am

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AK, there is certainly enough to convince me that Hill the Museum is in NZ.
https://www.ops-normal.org/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=6773
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#663 Post by Undried Plum » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:43 am

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In many countries the corruption is deep rooted and can be traced back to the colonial governments which failed to leave proper systems of governance in place when they left. We can see the same thing in modern times including the total failure to leave decent governance in Afghanistan and 'That Bastard Syngman Rhee' in Korea, just two examples from doubtless many.
Singapore and Malaysia were left with decent forms of government, but Malaysia is corrupt as fukk while neighbouring Singapore is reasonably clean.

I don't see a pattern there. I also don't see many Malaysians on those rubber boats.

Rhodesia/Zimbabwe had a good structure of government bequeathed to them. Look what they did with it. They inverted the racist nonsense of the Smith regime and booted out the white farmers who had capital and knowhow; and replaced them with locals who had neither. They elected a graduate of the London School of Economics who thought that you can borrow your way out of debt and that you can print money to create wealth. (Not that the UK or US gumments would do such a thing of course :ymblushing: )

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#664 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:51 am

One tends to forget Myanmar. Independent for 73 years having been under British control for only 64 years with Japan controlling it for 4 or that time.

64 years was not a long time to destroy their previous system and impose an enduring system.

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#665 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:11 am

My point John is YOU are everything you complain about.

YOU live in one of our ex colonies, and it isn't a shithole.
YOU are a migrant, unless you happen to be a Maori? No doubt descended from the UK or somewhere else in Europe.
YOU displaced the locals, to their great disadvantage, when you moved in.

Not everything is the fault of the Europeans or the Brits.

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#666 Post by John Hill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 5:50 pm

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Sat Dec 04, 2021 10:11 am
My point John is YOU are everything you complain about.

YOU live in one of our ex colonies, and it isn't a shithole.
YOU are a migrant, unless you happen to be a Maori? No doubt descended from the UK or somewhere else in Europe.
YOU displaced the locals, to their great disadvantage, when you moved in.

Not everything is the fault of the Europeans or the Brits.

Do you feel better now? That's all good then.
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Re: Migrants

#667 Post by John Hill » Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:18 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 8:43 am
John Hill wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:17 pm
In many countries the corruption is deep rooted and can be traced back to the colonial governments which failed to leave proper systems of governance in place when they left. We can see the same thing in modern times including the total failure to leave decent governance in Afghanistan and 'That Bastard Syngman Rhee' in Korea, just two examples from doubtless many.
Singapore and Malaysia were left with decent forms of government, but Malaysia is corrupt as fukk while neighbouring Singapore is reasonably clean.
Both Singapore and Malaysia emerged independent after war and upheaval and if I remember correctly Singapore was originally part of Malaysia but there was just too much to be sorted out and Singapore left (expelled?) to go it alone.
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#668 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Dec 05, 2021 9:43 am

Please don't blame 18th and 19th century colonialism for the criminality of the criminal migrants in 2021/2022.

UK criminal law is not to blame for foreigners' criminality. The criminals are responsible for their own crimes and should be held to account, not rewarded for their crimes.

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#669 Post by John Hill » Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:32 pm

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Please don't blame 18th and 19th century colonialism for the criminality of the criminal migrants in 2021/2022.
The colonial period sets the environment at the time of independence.

How the new country develops depends on where it is starting from, if the country is in good shape it has a good chance of positive development but if the country starts in poor shape it will likely stay that way.
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#670 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Dec 05, 2021 8:01 pm

Aagh.. I will say nothing!
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#671 Post by Undried Plum » Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:02 pm

John Hill wrote:
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The colonial period sets the environment at the time of independence.

No.

The colonial period sets the beginning of the period of a colony. Never the end. That's when so called "independence" ends.

The end comes when we end of the colony, for that time being.

Not the end of when they breed in in our the home Petri dish. Unfortunately.

Currently, we have a massive problem of survivors of our bombings of the UKUSA onslaughts.

We have also have many millions of also-riders who are riding along in the tailride of the English language. They, embarrassingly, seem to be the almost the worst of the bombers. The Murricans are the worst.

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#672 Post by John Hill » Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:24 am

Undried Plum wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:02 pm
John Hill wrote:
Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:32 pm
The colonial period sets the environment at the time of independence.
The colonial period sets the beginning of the period of a colony. Never the end. That's when so called "independence" ends.

The end comes when we end of the colony, for that time being.

Not the end of when they breed in in our the home Petri dish. Unfortunately.

Currently, we have a massive problem of survivors of our bombings of the UKUSA onslaughts.

We have also have many millions of also-riders who are riding along in the tailride of the English language. They, embarrassingly, seem to be the almost the worst of the bombers. The Murricans are the worst.
I am sorry but your words appear to be a bit jumbled.
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Re: Migrants

#673 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Dec 06, 2021 5:34 am

John Hill wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 1:24 am
I am sorry but your words appear to be a bit jumbled.

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Mebbe I **** you up by using multiple vowels, so here's a decode hint.


˙slǝʍoʌ ǝldᴉʇlnɯ ƃuᴉsn ʎq dn noʎ pǝʞɔnɟ I ǝqqǝW

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Re: Migrants

#674 Post by John Hill » Mon Dec 06, 2021 8:49 am

I am not sure that is an improvement but I am quite confident that it is no worse.
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#675 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:19 am

Curious. Almost a week with no comment here. Or in the press come to that. I saw the M word in an article in the Telegraph today.

What's happened to Ms? The media moved on?

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#676 Post by Boac » Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:36 am

Bonking Boris is providing the dead cat.

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#677 Post by Dushan » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:05 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
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I do, I look at myself every day and every night, and don't like what I see...

What have we wrought?
We look at you too, Caco, and don't like what we see, but we love you anyway.

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#678 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Wed Dec 15, 2021 6:04 pm

Dushan wrote:
Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:05 pm
TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:19 pm
I do, I look at myself every day and every night, and don't like what I see...

What have we wrought?
We look at you too, Caco, and don't like what we see, but we love you anyway.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Same to you and yours Dushan... ;)))

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#679 Post by barkingmad » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:52 am

Meanwhile, back at the subject of the OP;

If the current rate of illegal arrivals matches the previous annual totals, will the British Isles list gradually, then heel over and capsize into the eastern Atlantic Ocean?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -2022.html

And how much physical accommodation plus money for resources like housing, education, medical and employment opportunities will there be for the Ukrainian refugees, who seem to be gaining the popular vote.

We can’t push the coast out into the sea like the Cloggies have done and indeed those very seas are reducing the Isles landmass size.

But of course was it Stanley Johnson, father to our fertile Pig Dictator, who stated in his book the ideal population of Britain would be circa 15,000,000?

That’s going to be a difficult target to reach by 2030 when we will all be breathing fresh unpolluted air whilst shivering in our cellars wearing animal skins.

Sounds like the plot of a dystopian sci-fi novel but look how that literary genre has foretold some current technological and social changes?

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#680 Post by AtomKraft » Wed Mar 23, 2022 11:05 am

In a Country with free healthcare and Social Security, unfettered immigration is literally unsustainable.

As we are presently enjoying effectively uncontrolled immigration, it's only a matter of time.



This old codger seems to be in the right of it here.

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