Migrants

[barkingmad]

For some time I have believed I’m living in a parallel universe and now it’s just been confirmed;



So despite the vitriol directed towards him by some, he is obviously still humane.

But not a squeak about this from MSM, I wonder why?

[TheGreenGoblin]

For some time I have believed I’m living in a parallel universe and now it’s just been confirmed;



So despite the vitriol directed towards him by some, he is obviously still humane.

But not a squeak about this from MSM, I wonder why?

Wow, we should be so happy that even Farage shows some modicum of humanity... What would you have done bm, thrown them back into the sea like so many discarded fish? The minds of Brexiteers are hard to fathom (geddit)...

[OFSO]

Thousands and thousands of NRs arriving in the Canary Islands. Spanish authorities don't know what to do with them. 'Obviously' sending them back to Africa hasn't even been considered.

[Undried Plum]

Fromage and his buddy, between them, couldn't lift the weight of one man three feet up the side of the boat! Oh good grief! I suppose they were fishing for sprats, not for heavy things like Cod or Skate.

More PT required for both of 'em, 'Id say. Pullups would be good upper body strength exercise for starters.

As for the slack tide making things easier, gimme a break. Two floating objects, alongside eachother, are not separated by a moving tide.

Good job in helping to save two fellow yooman beans though. I hope the beans are deported to Mali ASAP. Or at the very least, dump them between and behind some of those sand dunes on the hundred miles of unguarded ffrench coastline.

[barkingmad]

U P sez: “Fromage and his buddy, between them, couldn't lift the weight of one man three feet up the side of the boat! Oh good grief! I suppose they were fishing for sprats, not for heavy things like Cod or Skate“.

From your experience you clearly state hauling an exhausted human bean aboard any boat is as easy as hauling fish of various species?

From my experience of practising MOB* in the balmy waters of the Aegean with my much fitter pilot mates, it’s incredibly difficult to achieve the task without something such as a swim/dive platform at the stern of the boat, a facility which would be most unlikely on the Farage boat.

And then there’s the freeboard of whichever craft being used, the clothes worn by the survivor and their BMI, more factors which can make such a task difficult to the point of impossible. Even the well-trained regularly practised heroes of the RNLI in a similar freeboard rib or inflatable have some difficulty whipping survivors out of the water into their craft.

TGG, the topics I studied as part of the Yachting Day Skippers’ course made it clear that as a mariner it is a legal as well as moral obligation to go to the assistance of those in distress on the briny, so you’re wrong in that assertion, nor would my conscience let me sleep were I to turn away and abandon them.

However, were I to spot in the misty conditions 3 men in an inflatable, positively identified as BoJo, Whitty & Vallance or their colleagues, I would be seriously tempted to break the maritime law and sleep easy as I turned away into the murk saying “Boat, what boat?” as I sped away before getting run down by the supertanker which was bearing down on us m’lord!

*MOB for the landlubbers amongst us is Man OverBoard drills carried out as a basic safety manoeuvre, though when NOT in warmer waters clear of shark infestation, usually a plastic fender is chucked into the water as a practice “casualty” which is also a darn sight easier to hook and secure and board with a boat hook than a waterlogged human, live or otherwise.

[Boac]

What would you have done bm, thrown them back into the sea like so many discarded fish? The minds of Brexiteers are hard to fathom (geddit)...

[Undried Plum]

Yes, I've done many many survival and rescue courses and refreshers, hauling a lifesize and adult male weight dummy out of the water. You need to be pretty fit and to have sufficient upper body strength to be able to do that. If you can't do a dozen pullups, bringing your chin to the height of the bar, you ain't gonna cut the mustard.

Elementary seamanship skills, such as parbuckling with a pair of ropes, are perhaps a bit too advanced technology for amateur daytrippers, so I didn't mention that technique. It halves the weight the two men have to pull, so they are each lifting only a quarter of the weight of the casualty. Anyone who can't lift a quarter of their own bodyweight probably qualifies for a blue badge in a carpark.

Still, they did achieve their object which was the saving of life at sea and that much I do applaud.

I hope the survivors are repatriated to Mali, on static lines out the paradoor of a **** C-17. Red on; Green on; Go!

[barkingmad]

P N: “a pair of ropes......It halves the weight the two men have to pull, so they are each lifting only a quarter of the weight of the casualty”.

I’m afraid my maths doesn’t compute that, can you show the working please?

Which half of the unfortunate immobile fully dressed waterlogged and possibly overweight casualty are they not lifting and by implication leaving behind in the water?

[Boac]

viewtopic.php?p=265045#p265045 Still waiting.

[barkingmad]

Oh F F S boac, what part of;

“TGG, the topics I studied as part of the Yachting Day Skippers’ course made it clear that as a mariner it is a legal as well as moral obligation to go to the assistance of those in distress on the briny, so you’re wrong in that assertion, nor would my conscience let me sleep were I to turn away and abandon them”

don’t you understand?!?!

You have returned to the forum after a concerning absence but I am reminded of the 3yr-old kids who have discovered the power of the word “Why” as a response to every question to which they receive a reasonable answer!

This practice guarantees them endless extra attention from the harassed parent(s).

And before you ask, NO, I don’t have a link. OK?

[John Hill]

How the 'freak does one parbuckle a live human out of the water?

Clue: If you want to parbuckle a human out of the water it would be easier to wait until they are dead, nice and stiff and floating horizontally.

[barkingmad]

How the 'freak does one parbuckle a live human out of the water?

Clue: If you want to parbuckle a human out of the water it would be easier to wait until they are dead, nice and stiff and floating horizontally.

You are correct John, the casualty would have to be literally a "stiff"!

This definition shows that by using the unfortunate waterlogged exhausted casualty as a pulley, then indeed each rescuer would only be hauling one quarter of the weight, the answer which P N failed to provide.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/parbuckle

However, in the context of a fishing boat or yacht as a rescue vessel, with typical freeboard and gunwhales, we're still missing the requisite ramp structure which might give this idea half a chance of success.

With hypothermia a significant factor in the English Channel I suspect the 'illegal' would have expired by the time such an arrangement was constructed.

[1DC]

Their is plenty of equipment available for lifting waterlogged people out of the oggin. Look up Jasons cradle for one..Was picking up a slim chap off a ship one day when he missed his footing and went over the side. It was about a three foot lift to get him back on board and took two of us, one of us would never have done it. Until you experience it you would not believe what a bloke weighs wet through and unable to help himself..

[ribrash]

A few years back I was out fishing on a mates 16ft boat out of Prestatyn.The weather being scorching hot,he decided to go for a swim.Getting him back over the shallow freeboard was the problem.The other problem was that the water was freezing cold.We had to resort to the last gasp trick of standing on the outboard motor skeg and using the trim and tilt to lift him out.He was a mess,nearly hypothermic.Never again says he.The sea is never warm.

[AtomKraft]

Being in the sea is a shocking dangerous thing and small boats in general always introduce the risk of an unplanned swim.

A chum of mine is a professional mariner and he has a simple rule.

Never go to sea with less than 16,000 horsepower. It's worked so far.

[Undried Plum]

Never been to Mali, so don't know how prevalent overweight Malians are. I suspect that the fat ones stay put and it's the skinny ones wot fackorf to a place where butter is normal eats.

Anyone who can't pull their own weight up the one or two foot freeboard of a pissy wee fishing launch prolly wouldn't pass the normal RGIT course anyway.

In the case of Fromage, I suspect it's a matter of too much beer and fags and not enough physical exercise.

Which reminds me, I must top up the log hopper in me main boiler. Good upper body exercise, or as near as I get to that stuff nowadays.

Noggies say that firewood warms you twice: first when you cut and split and pile it; then again when you burn it.

Here in Scotland it's prolly 'gainst the law to burn niggers as fuel. Not much fat left on the runaways anyway. Down in 'twatsnanaland they've prolly got a similar law, I would think, prolly 'cos they don't have the long cold nights wot we have in deepest darkest British West Lothian.

[Boac]

BM

You have returned to the forum after a concerning absence

Indeed - just been quietly watching the increase in rants.

As you say
"Those whom the gods wish to destroy... "

[OFSO]

Just been on Catalan TV News.
Migrants arriving in the Canary Islands from Africa.

2019: 2,800
2020: 23,500

Most travelling on to the mainland, which explains the squalid tent cities occupying the sea fronts in Barcelona and Badelona.

I remember a few years, ago the socialist Mayoress Ada Coleau said they were all welcome.

[4mastacker]

It seems that guests from overseas are not happy with the quality of the service at their hotel.

Chef!! There's a fly in my soup.

[PHXPhlyer]

Send them the fuk back!
Give them a couple of MREs as a lovely parting gift.

PP