Children's Climate protests.

[Rwy in Sight]

F#ck 'em!
No point arguing with idiots or zealots, since they are unconvinceable by anything except reality smacking them in the face, and many not even then.

In this case, the unemployment and/or economic collapse that will result from following AGW policies will convince people to change governments, even if it doesn't change their minds about the causes of climate change. All I have to do is minimise the effect of government on me, which is what I would be doing anyway.

p.s. The Daily Mail is a more reliable source than Wikipedia these days, especially on social problems. One of Wikipedia's original co-founders now calls it "appallingly biased".

I have said it before and I am firm believer about fighting climate change does not necessarily require a significant drop in life-style but political decisions - how many politicians can confirm they have done everything possible to decrease CO2 emissions and the only solution forward is a drop to our standard of living and more taxes.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

RiS, you are assuming CO2 reduction is the solution. I said reduce energy consumption; not the same thing.
BTW Have you noticed how the measures don't result in a drop in politicians' standard of living?
I notice the MSM conveniently ignored the 'What about banning private jets?' idea

[Rwy in Sight]

F3WMB, a guy talking on behalf of an Engine Manufacturer back in European Regional Association meeting back in 2007explained that consumption and emissions are firmly connected. I am not sure it is relevant here but last year I installed a solar water heater to cut down on electricity consumption in a country that relies heavily on lignite. I got ZERO tax refund and had to pay VAT on the system and the work of the electrician.

The politicians always claim they need to do things because it is important for people. For instance we used to know a politician who ended up in a position where he was entitled to police escort, Although as usual he claimed he liked to remain humble at the same claimed he couldn't lose time and use the bus lane as his driver thought fit.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

They are connected, as a horse and cart are connected. It is important to put the horse before the cart.

[BenThere]

My latest inquiry is whether to install a solar powered electrical system at my home in Mexico. My neighbors just took the plunge and spent around $5000 USD for an array that mounts unobtrusively on the penthouse roof top terrace (their unit is identical to mine). The electricity produced by the solar is fed to the grid and credit for power generation is credited by the utility. When I left last week they had gotten their first electrical bill which was $9 compared to the $150 bill they had been paying. Most things are cheaper in Mexico, but not electricity or petrol, though some might consider $4 gallon petrol reasonable. I'm paying $2.50/gallon in Michigan. Anyway, I figure the solar option has a 3-4 year payback, and to me that makes sense. And I can happily tout my contribution to saving the planet.

So I'm tending to do the solar installation. I like the idea of harvesting the bounty of the sun, and I hate paying bills, so when it makes sense, I'm on board. Further, where I live in Mexico, the sun shines well over 300 days a year. There are no subsidies that tax me, only a common sense equation of cost/value to consider. One benefit will be that by installing the solar system I will be once again in the good graces of my Ann Arbor friends, nice people but for the most part woefully taken by any left-wing movement that comes along, such as solar power/green energy. My gut curdled a few weeks ago when I heard one of them gush over the little Swedish brat whose only contribution I could detect was the ability to contrive a most distasteful expression while seething, "How dare you". While the sentiment registered with millions, I'm sure, those with whom it registered generally need to seek counseling for anger management.

[Slasher]

Electric bill at home varies between 4,000 to 5,000 Baht (US$135-167) pm based on 4.5 Baht / kw hr. And the higher figure is with everything running 24/7 incl 2 aircons in the hot season and 1 in the granny flat. There is a 7% tax on top of it. If we had to batten down the electron hatches we’d survive on 1500 Baht pm. A good dehumidifier is used if house air temp is comfortable (28-31C) but wet bulb is high. Heating is not needed in the short cool season as the coldness is only between 3-9am depending.

On top of the fact that I couldn’t care a goat’s crap about all this “saving the planet” nonsense, solar makes only little financial sense to us as the lecky bills are quite cheap. Both me and Apsara derived the same in our individual arithmetic. And besides, having a solar would just be another thing to worry about anyway (I have read enough of Ex-A’s woes).

I am not interested nor do I follow anything said or done by that arrogant mentally-diseased 16yo bitch, just as I ignore her Gore and IPCC gods. Same with any dickhead stupid and gullible enough to buy her carefully-scripted sh!t.

[Rwy in Sight]

BenThere,as I was reading your input about the solar system I was thinking about Ex-A's adventure and his system's issues. And I like your thoughts. One comment about subsidies: The sales tax (Value Added Tax -VAT) here has two different ratios a low at around 13% and a normal at around 24%. Both the solar unit and the labour to install it are charged at 24% I don't ask for a VAT free installation and purchase (although a scheme is being designed where the VAT paid on those projects will be subtracted from the tax paid the following year) but at least put those expenditure at a lower VAT rate. Although the big advantage of a solar heating system is that you have water when you needed rather than having to wait half an hour for the water to heat.

[Sisemen]

Quod erat demonstrandum

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[1DC]

My solar system costs £5000,has been in place three years and i have recovered 65% of the outlay.

[OFSO]

I would have had a PVC installation on my house in Spain, but it was (and probably still is) against the law to generate electricity from solar power. There was a large solar farm outside the town of Roses but it was shut down after the electricity company won a case based on unfair competition. There were two firms in Figueras selling PV cells but both have closed.

[TheGreenGoblin]

You weak Aussies..

[TheGreenGoblin]

The Aussies not the brightest of the bunch..

[Slasher]

Is that your digs Sise in the Tood of Yay? VERY not bad!

[Sisemen]

Is that your digs Sise in the Tood of Yay? VERY not bad!

Yup! Not looking it’s best though as summer begins to bite. On the plus side the credit on the leccy bill will just keep mounting

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Excellent lecture on the history of climate change, which puts the current panic about a 1.5 degree change into perspective.
As well as now being a scientist, the lecturer was formerly a USAF ICBM Launch Control Officer, who also actually sliced up ice cores and generated the climate record data for an undergraduate job

[OFSO]

Can't be !

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Hey! I wondered where my shades had gone...and now she's buying my Buckie too!!

Fox3WheresMeBuckie

[OFSO]

For those following the Adventures of Greta, she's tweeted that she's landing in Lisbon tomorrow. Then, one presumes, something symbolically electric will take her to Madrid to speak at the Conference. Can't wait to see what she has to say.

[Rwy in Sight]

I am surprised she doesn't request a special certificate about electric for her train is produced by solar or wind and not diesel.

[ExSp33db1rd]

Can't wait to see what she has to say.

" How dare you !! " ??