Socialist Utopia

[om15]

Behind the infighting, coups, denunciations and arguments at the Labour Party conference a few facts emerged, in the event that this Marxist rabble gain power we can look forward to,

* Paying vast unspecified sums of money to those people who claim to have had their lives affected by slavery, hard to see as they have all been dead for two hundred years, but it's the thought that counts.
* If leaving your house unattended for six months having it possessed by your local authority to house people who have entered the United Kingdom illegally.
* Having Trade Unions set wage levels
* having to fund directly and through spiralling inflation the effects of a four day week.
* the introduction of policies of taxation and wealth distribution that will drive every single business and entrepreneur out of the country.
* Rendering small private schools uneconomic and thus consigning the next generation of school children to failing state schools where the only part of the core curriculum are the methods of going on strike.

Dangerous times

[Slasher]

In the event of any govt being taken over by communists I believe it’s best to leave the country and just let it rot. IMHO England is already rotting and is well past the unfuqability PNR, sorry to say.

Look at ex-Ascot for example. He couldn’t care less about all that crap, and if push comes to taxation shove he can always take up alternative citizenship just as I can.

[om15]

And,
Abolish the Queen,
Have a general strike to overthrow the current Government
Scrap Trident.

I see what you mean, but I quite like living in England, mostly.

[Slasher]

I see what you mean, but I quite like living in England, mostly

Out in rural England I agree om - but the commies will catch up with you even there for eventual pauperisation. No Socialist govt can survive long with a thriving middle class in existence and any entrepreneurship whatsoever. They have to be destroyed, usually through heavy taxation as the Labour manifesto you posted QEDs.

Have a general strike to overthrow the current Government

IIRC Arthur Skargill (Trotskyist?) tried that yonks ago but badly underestimated the determination of Mrs Thatcher.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Now work out how many actions of supposedly right-of-centre parties actually match socialist policies, despite whatever words are coming out of their mouths. Note also how many socialist policies don't get repealed when they gain power. Cameron's/May's Tories would have been classed by Thatcher as commies.

[Stoneboat]

And,
Abolish the Queen,

The Queen is Canada's nominal Head of State. With President Justin Trudeau being the stuff of nightmares, if she is abolished I invite her to come to this country and remain our Head of State.

[Slasher]

I might add on 11th November 1975 if it wasn’t for the Queen’s rep in Oz, that country’s economy would’ve been wrecked by the excesses of the then ratbag Whitlam ALP Federal govt.

I can still remember how angry our high school’s dope smoking long haired Politics teacher (Mr John Xxxxxx*) was when this happened. It was great to see that fuqqing Marxist choke with rage.

*Edit: had to delete the dickhead’s surname as he’s still alive and working in Melbourne and could take Admin to court for whatever.

[Bob]

All is not lost

[admin]

*Edit: had to delete the dickhead’s surname as he’s still alive and working in Melbourne and could take Admin to court for whatever.

Thank you for your consideration.

Admin/Alison

[OFSO]

Someone just told me that after Corbyn gets in, Labour will set up a free bottom-wiping service for us incapables over the age of 65. Bags Diane Abbott.

[Slasher]

So Corbyn is an arsewipe huh? Who would’ve guessed?

[Pontius Navigator]

* Having Trade Unions set wage levels
* having to fund directly and through spiralling inflation the effects of a four day week.

Self financing.

1. Increase living wage by £3/hr. Cost on 38 hr week - £114 less tax at 20% £91.20.
2. Four day week at 8hr/day, saves 6*£12/hr - £72. Tax saved by worker £14.40.

Difference, £4.80

[om15]

My understanding is that this is not the proposal PN, the working week will be reduced to 4 days but the wages will remain at 5 days, the difference being funded from the vast profits being accrued by the capitalist running dog employers.

I can understand the slavering rabid Marxist momentum seething masses voting for this, but not ordinary working people, except they are, quite astonishing, particularly those that recall the 1970s, but of course infants and small children are being brain washed by the leftie teachers to think that this is all good stuff, particularly gaining a taste for going on strike at an early age, if any child might think otherwise he/she can be directed to the BBC for reassurance.

[Rwy in Sight]

Judging some small businesses operate here a proposal to use the profits to finance a shorter work week it would make sense since bosses seems to get a very very decent living while paying abysmal small wages or very bad working conditions. A much needed sense of social justice.

[BenThere]

Employees have the option to not work for any employer who doesn't compensate them at the level they desire, or provide working conditions they can accept. Employers compete for workers just as much as workers compete for jobs. That's free market economics at its core.

And not all employers get a 'very decent living'. Many try to make businesses but fail, losing their investment. Others put in very long hours trying to establish their small businesses. They take on all the risk. When they grow to the point of needing employees they compete for them in a free employment marketplace. I always liked the maxim, 'If you pay peanuts you get monkeys'. It's true.

Bosses who get a very decent living have succeeded. They may have been or are employees as well as the workers lower on the organizational chart.

If you think it's unfair, go do what you need to do to be the boss.

[Capetonian]

+1 BenThere

I get very pissed off when I hear this drivel about people who are successful being 'rich capitalist pigs'.
Most of them have achieved by working hard, by risking their own capital, and by taking on the many challenges involved in running a business. They have also provided employment for others and paid more taxes and social charges than employees.
Somehow this always seems to be overlooked by the socialist in their jealous and self-righteous zeal.

I had a spoof number plate made up, and I sent a photo of it to one of my ex-tenants who wrote me poison pen letters full of rabid socialist bile. I found other uses for it too, eventually fastening it to someone's car. I'm not sure how long he drove round with it before realising or getting stopped by the police.

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[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

Employees have the option to not work for any employer who doesn't compensate them at the level they desire, or provide working conditions they can accept. Employers compete for workers just as much as workers compete for jobs. That's free market economics at its core.

Nope.
I'm not a socialist, but the first two sentences are not true. To truly have the choice of not working for an unsuitable employer, one has to have the options of supporting oneself on one's own land, working for oneself, or having other jobs available. This isn't possible today. Vast areas of land are owned by the few, or the Government. The burden of regulation and taxes falls far more heavily on the small business than the large. The cartels effectively created by government regulation, paid for by contributions to major political party funds, suppress competition.

The problem is there is no free market.
Can I teach in a free market? No chance. The Government doesn't allow free competition in education, not least because it taxes people to pay for its version whether they use it or not.
Of course the socialists in the UK are even less keen on private education than the capitalists.

Capitalism will try to influence politicians by any legal means that makes them a profit. And the politicians they influence write the legal framework.
A free market is eventually (as now) impossible if capitalists can influence government; or at least, more than ordinary people can.

[TheGreenGoblin]

Bunch of sad old gits it appears.

One of them being thumped around in a bread bin, approving the Chinese Socialist pilots while he takes the money and talks tits. Another living the remembered life at high energy in, an out of date, European jet, enjoying the social democracy in Canada and the other, well, the uber Capetonian, who, feck me, who knows..!

[BenThere]

Fox, I always thought we were pretty much on the same page but in this case I think you have made a mistake.

If the hardware store pays $8/hour and that's not good enough, running a homestead supporting yourself is not the only alternative. You can join the army, clobber baby seals, sell dope, any number of things, including learning a trade or pursuing a profession in college. I call it choices, and the array of choices before anyone coming out of youth and going into maturity is greater than it has ever been.

And around where I live a plumber, electrician, or even a handyman who can do anything around the house generally has a $500 US day or more. Our dog watcher gets $30/day for pretty much doing nothing as our dog requires little but feeding and a break in the yard. I don't complain because our friends are paying $40/day. My wife just told me her colleague pays her babysitter $10/hour to watch a 10 year old, well-behaved daughter.

Sorry to run off on a tangent, but there is money to be made by workers, and paid by employers.

But the real objection I want to assert is that there is a lot of land available to establish a homestead that is not owned by the government. In Michigan you can still buy 160 acres of land with a woods, a creek, and mostly rich farmland, with a 3 BR house on site for $150,000 or so. The pioneers' opportunities weren't that good, and they were able to make a go of it. If you can feed yourself on deer and the produce from your garden, fuel the house with solar and wood fire, drink well water, and use the solar to power batteries or trade with the grid, your residual costs approach zero. If you can raise chickens, goats, cattle, and plant orchards, blueberries and asparagus, your life becomes even richer. I've seen this done, and the guy that did it, outside Nevada City, California, also raised, ate, skinned and utilized rabbits.their droppings fed to the worms in beds living under them. His bible was 'The Omnivor's Dilemma', still available on Amazon. I've read it and it's a seminal work and a page-turner read.

[unifoxos]

Of course the socialists in the UK are even less keen on private education than the capitalists.

Apart from the ones that send their kids into private education.