General Election views

[barkingmad]

TBP plan is to leave the southern territories from Kent to Cornwall to the Tory v Libdems to fight it out and to put more effort into the more northern areas which have been badly let down by both the “big” parties.

They will not get enough seats to form a majority but the intention is to get enough MPs into Westminster so that even if they don’t hold the balance of power the plan is to loudly and constantly remind Johnson of his promises and to highlight the serious flaws in the current surrender deal.

That particular task will not be performed by any of the other opposition parties as they all seem to be suicidally charging down the road of giving 2 fingers to the 17.4 million who voted to leave and hopefully those remainer MPs will pay the price.

J C should be weighing up his options very carefully. Curious coincidence that yesterday’s TBP rallies were in the badly neglected constituencies of the former ‘Prince of Darkness’ a k a one Peter Mandelson and one Bush underling a k a Tony Bliar of Iraq 2003 fame.

[Woody]

Bit of dissent in the ranks

Salisbury’s election candidate for the Brexit Party has responded to the news he’s being forced to stand aside by comparing the party’s approach to that of the Grand Old Duke of York.

On Monday, the party said it would not contest next month’s general election in areas of the country where the Conservatives won last time around, which includes all of Wiltshire’s constituencies.

But it came as a surprise to many of the local Brexit Party candidates, including Salisbury’s Julian Malins QC who tells the BBC he “thought I had enlisted in Caesar’s army but it turned out to be the Grand Old Duke of York’s”.

[om15]

The same in North Dorset, the Brexit PPC Tim Page has spent an enormous amount of time and energy making appearances, shaking hands and getting stuck in, now he has been made redundant. I haven't heard a squeak from the sitting Tory (Remainer) MP, this is a strong leave area, and now we have no representative other than a remain Tory that has half heartedly supported leave, but tried to stop a no deal option.
I don't hold out any hope of this election solving the seemingly unsolvable.

[Krystal n Chips]

I seem to recall the euphoria of so many happy to have parted with their £25 ......alas, ever been well and truly had ?...chaps !

Makes you think Nige missed his vocation really..with "leadership " like his, a career in the military would surely have ensured success.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... candidates

[barkingmad]

When it comes to fighting the EUSSR I’d rather have Nigel in the arena with the Brussels Bullies than Johnson any day.

Alas it will not happen, yet.

The Johnson reliability MTBF is alarmingly low.

[Bob]

As we get older our circle of friends and associates tends to shrink and likewise our exposure to wider points of view.
for the last few years I have been of the view that the strong pro - Brexit feelings I see in my circle was likely not at all representative of the country as a whole (most of my circle are right wing, I'm not but I am pro-Brexit for different reasons), but lately I've been travelling a lot in the UK and I have been surprised...many people seem genuinely pissed off with the arseholes running the country and even a good few ardent labour voters are considering voting Conservative simply because they believe they might deliver Brexit.

They wont of course deliver Brexit, at least not a credible version, but when that betrayal happens I do believe the British public will recognise it and if we still have the energy to care may well throw a wobbly
This is in my view the best that can be hoped for and could eventually lead to a true Brexit, but it is reliant on us being a little unselfish and engaging in mass public disorder, those in power will not be shamed into making good on promises neither do they care for the people they pretend to represent, we all know this but are reluctant to take the leap into action against our oppressors lest we lose what meagre freedoms we have
This fear is of course a major part of the how the Crony Elite maintains power over society

[bob2s]

This may be a bit simplistic, but as an outsider, could someone explain to me what is so wrong with leaving without a deal,is it not possible to leave like the people voted for and just cut your losses.

[om15]

K&C, nice to see you, I was very worried that you might be a distressed state in your bedroom over the impending collapse of your Marxist chums, I see that Jumbo Thornbury is due to lose her seat to the Dental Party, couldn't happen to a more deserving case.
If things pan out as expected you may well be represented in Parliament by a Brexit MP, they are due to mop up the seats oop north, now that would cheer us up no end.

Thanks for your helpful link to the Guardian, whilst some may claim that it is a rag packed with *****, they do report some quite insightful articles, here's one that sums up the misery and decline within your collapsing party.

This was Corbyn at his most downbeat, his voice seldom rising above a mumble. “It makes me angry that some schools are closed on a Friday,” he said. Only he didn’t sound angry at all. Rather, he just sounded a bit fed up. The ageing geography supply teacher who is counting down the days to retirement and doesn’t really give a toss whether the kids learn anything so long as they give him an easy ride and he gets out alive.

Not that he didn’t have plenty of good lines. About the floods, about the importance of training for everyone, about children going hungry in schools. He just couldn’t deliver them. Sentences that must have looked great on the page died on his lips. Rallying cries that faded into whispers. It was all he could do to get a response from the audience when he ended with the old favourite of “Our NHS is not for sale”. A few of the hundred or so Labour activists in the room – there were plenty of empty seats – broke into a desultory, short-lived chorus of “Not for sale”, though more out of a sense of obligation than with any real enthusiasm. Live Aid it wasn’t.

[Pontius Navigator]

Om15, I am puzzled about the Dental Party and dental hygenist gibes. There is no hint of that in wiki.

[OFSO]

A friend of mine, hard-working at her own business as she doesn't believe in welfare, had structural problems with her council flat which her local town hall kept putting off repairing. In desperation she visited Jumbo, her local MP. Jumbo's suggestion was that my friend take out a loan from the bank and pay for the repairs herself. As my friend said, if she'd been a black one-legged lesbian single mother on welfare Jumbo would have picked up the phone to the council then and there. Socialism in action !

[Bob]

A friend of mine, hard-working at her own business as she doesn't believe in welfare, had structural problems with her council flat which her local town hall kept putting off repairing. In desperation she visited Jumbo, her local MP. Jumbo's suggestion was that my friend take out a loan from the bank and pay for the repairs herself. As my friend said, if she'd been a black one-legged lesbian single mother on welfare Jumbo would have picked up the phone to the council then and there. Socialism in action !

Hold on...Council Flat?...doesn't believe in welfare?.
Care to Square that circle, what is causing her to have to make use of Welfare that she does not believe in?, has she been priced out of joining in the capitalist path of buying or renting a private house because the capitalists owning the housing stock want excessive profit perhaps?

I don't know, please explain this apparent Dichotomy

[om15]

PN, soon after Swinson was elected leader of the Lib dems a rather unkind article appeared in the press referring to her as having the gravitas of a dental receptionist. The rest of it is my nonsense.

[barkingmad]

Long-term anti-Brexit former Tory minister of this & that David Gauke surfaces from the slime pit to urge voters NOT to vote Tory as that would increase the chances of the dreaded “hard” Brexit. Of course maybe he’s a Brexiteer plant who will strengthen the case to get the feck out cleanly and quickly but I doubt he’s so clever.

The same David Gauke who’s views on UK v overseas tax might indicate a vested interest;

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/c ... cy/m46.htm

He is also famous for the Ministry of Justice partial U-turn on Probation Services privatisation following the disastrous handling of that department by the infamous Failing Grayling.

And condemned for his handling of this infamous case;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/0 ... e-worboys/

Managed to be reselected by his constituency after a proposed no-confidence vote. I trust he will also be history after the GE but the Establishment will probably pull out the stops to ensure he’s re-elected even as a so-called independent.

It will be interesting to see how he and others who’ve rejected their former parties will fare in the forthcoming contest.

[Boac]

Musing gently on the ludicrous state of UK politics: What is to stop all the Tory 'rebels' who have been unfrocked and are standing as 'Independents' - if elected in their constituencies - deciding to 'return to the fold' upon the offer of a juicy post?

[om15]

I can't see the unmentionables being admitted back into the Party while there is a chance that they can do further damage to the cause, perhaps once Brexit is completed (if) they may rejoin. I see Phillip Hammond has announced his departure at the same time that he has taken up a well paid job with a Dublin/New York company. Going to be interesting, one thing is for sure who ever gets in will spend our money like a sailor on shore leave

[Pontius Navigator]

PN, soon after Swinson was elected leader of the Lib dems a rather unkind article appeared in the press referring to her as having the gravitas of a dental receptionist. The rest of it is my nonsense.

Thank you, missed that. Yes, perfect.

[Pontius Navigator]

I can't see the unmentionables being admitted back into the Party while there is a chance that they can do further damage to the cause, perhaps once Brexit is completed (if) they may rejoin. I see Phillip Hammond has announced his departure at the same time that he has taken up a well paid job with a Dublin/New York company. Going to be interesting, one thing is for sure who ever gets in will spend our money like a sailor on shore leave

Unless a newly independent MP was truly outstanding as an MP, ie the type who would attract voters from opposition as well as their own, I would say a pig with a rosette would fare better.

[Fox3WheresMyBanana]

+1
As ever, the real problem with any democracy is the electorate

[ian16th]

With candidates like this, how many seats will the Brexit party get?

[om15]

The more exposure we have of the Tory Party and the Prime Minister the more we see just how rotten Government is, the Police are now carrying out investigations into "electoral fraud" from "deep within No 10", I really hope that they come up with something that sticks and follow it through.
I believe the only reason that Johnson is pursuing Brexit is for personal ambitions to keep power and the employment of Cummings is as bad, if not worse, than anything Bliar did. I am unable to vote for TBP as this is a Tory seat and they have withdrawn the candidate.
The Tories have now elected two leaders on the trot that have been deceitful and dishonest, they have screwed up Brexit by pretending to be for it but secretly thwarting it, and now may be committing criminal acts of electoral fraud, this most probably leading to a revocation of Article 50 and a Corbyn Government. Bastards.

Meanwhile, Labour aim to reduce the problems in the NHS by giving everyone working for it an extra day off every week, give everyone "free" broadband by nationalising the private companies and thus ensuring that they will always be on strike, spending 1.2 trillion pounds of our money on things we don't want and reducing education to third world standards, encouraging anyone in the world who quite likes the idea of enjoying our welfare benefits to hurry over and move in, one in four of our fellow citizens think these are good ideas.