Is WHO fit for purpose?

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#21 Post by BenThere » Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:37 am

The US is averse to any organisation that currently disagrees with the US view on things.
Ain't that natural?
The US appears chronically averse to every international organisation including some they founded themselves.
Not every international organization. The ones that have proven to be unfruitful or even hostile should expect a cold shoulder from a benefactor with a functioning government that assesses its investments.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#22 Post by John Hill » Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:00 am

Not every you say? I can't think of any examples.
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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#23 Post by probes » Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:07 am

Seenenough wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:11 pm
It is plainly obvious that the WHO were nowhere near able to warn its members as to how contagious the Covid virus is. Indeed ,the WHO was telling leaders it was not necessary to shut down international travel.
That's true, and I wonder. As I did when China started the rough lockdowns with such small No of dead - now it's looking like the numbers were grossly underestimated.
But then why did the West (without the SARS and MERS experience) behave like lunatics - who'll say? OK, the fist ones were taken by surprise - but the rest? Thinking: we won't let it beat our spirit? Like with terrorism: we'll be more united! Our med.systems are better! Our democracy is better!
Well, it appears a highly contagious virus has nothing to do with unity or democracy. Or the lack of it, actually. Whether you want to accept it or not. Ironically China with its wet markets will lose a lot most probably, as the world has been given a bitter lesson of relying on producers 'somewhere cheaper'.

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#24 Post by Seenenough » Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:01 pm

"China with its wet markets will lose a lot most probably, as the world has been given a bitter lesson of relying on producers 'somewhere cheaper'."

I agree with you.

China has agreed,on several occasions,with the US that it would close down the wet markets.I have not seen one but I have seen some similar in Thailand and Malaysia and I found them repulsive and dirty. As usual China agree and then do nothing about it anyway.

There are already law makers over here drafting bills that will limit the amount of supply that can be sourced out of China even if the products can be made at very much lower prices.The pandemic has absolutely exposed the weak strategic position that the US has ended up in and as such I think you will find a lot of bipartisan support from Congress and the public.This bipartisanship will put Trump into a very much stronger position in further trade talks with China.

The Chinese Economy is very dependent on increasing its GDP income from the US which is the largest consumer market in the world but I don't think it will be long and we will find importation numbers from China dropping and we will see much more "Buy American" and supply of goods from other counties that China has been blocking out of the US market for years.

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#25 Post by John Hill » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:18 am

Trump is blaming the WHO for his tardy handling of COVID19 in the USA. This is BS of course but a lot of most Trumpies will suck it up.
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#26 Post by Seenenough » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:30 am

John Hill wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:18 am
Trump is blaming the WHO for his tardy handling of COVID19 in the USA. This is BS of course but a lot of Trumpies will suck it up.
The WHO held that there could not be human to human transmission of the Covid 19 virus and that the US should not have stopped travel from China.How wrong did they get it?

I can assure you,that the US Administration will be reducing the USA's voluntary contributions ( +/- a $ 150 million) to the WHO as a result of the WHO's ,China promoting ,of the situation.

You likely did not see this :-

"Among the many provisions in the $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief package that appear to have little to do with the immediate crisis at home is a nearly $11 billion pot of money for three international development groups.

The Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act (CARES Act) – which the House of Representatives is expected to vote on Friday – includes the funding authorizations for the African Development Fund (ADF), the African Development Bank (AfDB) and the International Development Association (IDA)."

As always the US is expected to contribute much more than a fair share.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#27 Post by John Hill » Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:00 am

Almost every country in the world seems to be handling this epidemic better than the USA yet you want to blame the WHO! You really are a good example of.........
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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#28 Post by probes » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:12 am

John Hill wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:00 am
Almost every country in the world seems to be handling this epidemic better than the USA yet you want to blame the WHO!
Well, but that's not a reason to remove the blame? (that others are handling better). The information clearly was late and insufficient from China AND the WHO. Other countries could have reacted more efficiently if there hadn't been 'just a flu and some oldies die' attitude.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#29 Post by John Hill » Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:45 am

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Now blame the WHO...

Other countries DID react more effectively.
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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#30 Post by probes » Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:23 pm

John Hill wrote:
Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:45 am
Other countries DID react more effectively.
:) - ok, more effectively, but not effectively enough (mostly), especially the Brits and it looks more and more like the Swedes didn't get it quite ok either.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#31 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:34 pm

NZ is looking good and improving...

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/dis ... rent-cases
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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#32 Post by John Hill » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:16 pm

TheGreenGoblin wrote:
Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:34 pm
NZ is looking good and improving...

Maybe, but we may still have a long way to go and there seems increasing disregard for the 'stay at home' exhortations. This is a holiday weekend (Easter of course) and the police have been setting up road blocks 50 or so miles out of town and turning back all those who are packed and equipped for holiday mode.

Meanwhile we are in the 'vulnerable' category and have only been out once a week to the supermarket.
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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#33 Post by Seenenough » Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:29 pm

CORONAVIRUSPublished 1 hour ago
Flashback: WHO chief revokes appointment of brutal Zimbabwe dictator Robert Mugabe as 'goodwill ambassador' after uproar
Adam Shaw

Remember this little mess.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#34 Post by Seenenough » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:33 pm

Oops -The WHO is going to find itself a little short of donation funding for the next while.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#35 Post by John Hill » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:26 am

Will that make a difference? The US is about $200 million in arrears.
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#36 Post by Seenenough » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:44 am

John Hill wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:26 am
Will that make a difference? The US is about $200 million in arrears.
China looks to be a bit behind the curve also and I am not sure a country can ever be in arrears regarding donations.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#37 Post by John Hill » Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:52 am

Not donations, they are 'national membership fees'.
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#38 Post by Seenenough » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:24 am

John Hill wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:52 am
Not donations, they are 'national membership fees'.
Payments to the WHO are made up of Assessed Contributions and also Voluntary Contributions.The US will continue to pay the Assessed amounts but the US has no obligation to pay Voluntary amounts as the name implies.

Trump has only stopped the Voluntary Contributions for now.

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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#39 Post by John Hill » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:43 am

The US is $200 million in arrears of the Assessed amounts. Looks like Trump is paying neither.
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Re: Is WHO fit for purpose?

#40 Post by Seenenough » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:55 am

John Hill wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:43 am
The US is $200 million in arrears of the Assessed amounts. Looks like Trump is paying neither.
As I said China does not appear to have paid their Assessed Contributions either.

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