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Re: Made in China.

#21 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:07 am

AtomKraft wrote:
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Hey John.

Folk can do what they want, but the Chinks are screwed if we stop buying their stuff, so I intend to reduce my own consumption of their products.

You are going to struggle with that. You could start by asking what percentage of the components in your phone, i-Pad, computer, or whatever is your electronic medium for your daily ops-normal internet tipple, was sourced from China!

The Chinese have prospered due to our greed and shortsightedness, as we are always happier to go for the cheapest price and sanctifying the notion of maximum profit to the senior management and investors in our multinationals and big corporates, allied to our insouciance when it comes to paying a decent wage to workers, worrying about their health, safety and well being, particularly when they are "foreigners" like the Chinese are.

The USA has also needs China to buy US government bonds so that it can continue to borrow to run up its incredible national debt to fuel our seemingly insatiable need for all the gegaws that a consumer capitalist society maintains are required for happiness and thus it turns to China to make those gegaws on the cheap to maximise profit for the few. The Chinese need this arrangement too, to employ their vast population governed by an onerous totalitarian government, terrified that it will lose control if people aren't employed and so, perversely, both the USA and China are like two mad drunkards propping each other up at the last chance solution, mutually loathing each other but desperately also needing each other.
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#22 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:56 am

Correct Gob. I'm going to struggle with this one, and struggle with it I shall.
I suggest we all struggle with it together!

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#23 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:16 am

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Correct Gob. I'm going to struggle with this one, and struggle with it I shall.
I suggest we all struggle with it together!
Always struggling, tis true... ;)))
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#24 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:41 am

Well Ian, I think we have an insatiable appetite to consume. Start at the top. What can you really do with an income over several millions per year? One of our Club members won £51m. Naturally he up graded his planned trip to NZ to private jet to the U.S. and first class thereafter. He said first class was a waste of money. He already had two motor bikes that he used for a tour round Europe. Bought a house in the village, made the owner an offer. Then bought a Lamborghini (in Lincolnshire!) and a Range Rover Evoque.

He still worked but not, like a captain of industry making many more millions. But something drives these people on. We know that many of their children adopt the attitudes of their parents without any drive to strive. They become drones.

So it cascades down. Being house bound does wonders for my bank balance. Impulse buys almost unheard of. Have to get Mrs PN lots of vitamins but the other must have crap is no longer catching the eye especially as we aren't taking a paper now.

We just have the urge to spend.

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#25 Post by ExSp33db1rd » Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:08 am

Probably the biggest plus is that the style never changes.
Unlike Jeans, which have a variety of tears and holes constantly getting worse. And... people actually BUY the bloody things, if they want holy Jeans why don't they just take a knife to them ?

Glad I don't give a stuff about the dictates of the so called Fashion Police. Just wish I'd bought a few dozen of the garments I liked many years ago,when they were apparently "in fashion". Can't repeat them now as they wear out.

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Re: Made in China.

#26 Post by ian16th » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:44 am

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We just have the urge to spend.
Its not universal.

When I started making significantly more money than we needed for essential living, it was rather late in my life, so I maybe had developed a sense of thrift. (Being a Yorkshireman might also have helped, its the genes you know.)

Our only real extravagances were good watch apiece.
I looked at a daft car and common sense prevailed.
We looked at a house in Somerset West, and invested our money instead.

Now we are worried that if we come through the current crises OK, we'll have no retailers left to spend our cash in!
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#27 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:08 am

Apparently economic growth in China has slowed to thirty year lows.

Let's try and keep it there!

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#28 Post by Capetonian » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:18 am

Has anybody heard the speculation that 20million may have died in China. Apparently based on cancelled cellphone contracts?

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#29 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:19 am

Just bought a new dash cam. British company, I have traded with them for decades. Much superior to Chinese stuff on eBag. From? MiC.

Bought an oxygen checker, Amazon, more expensive than Chinese stuff. UK source. From? MiC.

Unless you grill a supplier how can you know?

A total boycott is not possible and would drive reputable companies to the wall and deny ourselves from a huge number of goods. As well as cheap labour China has also captured the global market through mass production.

I want a USB lead with right angle ends of a particular length and colour. UK market possible 2 or 3. Global market a thousand or more. No contest.

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#30 Post by Pontius Navigator » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:25 am

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Has anybody heard the speculation that 20million may have died in China. Apparently based on cancelled cellphone contracts?
Yes.

One possibility is that many have two phones. An official one that can be tracked and a burner one. Could be fake news. However, assuming this is 21 m cancelled contracts that could imply 21 m people and near 10 m households. Are there 10 m orphans or dead children too?

Another observation was apartment building with no lights or signs of life. Now we saw Police nailing up apartment doors - fact.

We have not seen Police unlocking doors - fact.

Shakey premise but you could draw a picture.

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#31 Post by AtomKraft » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:32 am

The Chinese are pathological lieing bastards.

Nothing said by the Chinese Communist Party is even slightly credible.

No statistic pronounced by these slitty-eyed ***** has the slightest credibility, and should be accepted by gullible folk only.

Every poor Chink, KNOWS, that he, his life and his family will be discarded without thought by his own Government if it is even suspected that their demise might be good for China.

I know it's going to be hard to fcuk them up, but we should all do our best!

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#32 Post by barkingmad » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:34 am

Shakey premises will be the order of the day if folks are trying to enter them even though the doors are locked? :))

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#33 Post by Capetonian » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:47 am

I have to say I entirely agree with AK. They are sly, lying, devious mercenary, self-interested, arrogant bastards, and that applies whether you look at them on a one-to-one personal basis or on a commercial or international level.

Of all the nationalities on earth they probably the ones I would least trust and least want to have any dealings with.

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#34 Post by G-CPTN » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:54 am

Capetonian wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:47 am
I have to say I entirely agree with AK. They are sly, lying, devious mercenary, self-interested, arrogant bastards, and that applies whether you look at them on a one-to-one personal basis or on a commercial or international level.

Of all the nationalities on earth they probably the ones I would least trust and least want to have any dealings with.
So, just the people that you want controlling your 5G 'phone network?

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#35 Post by barkingmad » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:59 am

“Lying, devious...”?
Latest new is the actual Wuhan death rate is revised upwards by 50%. Eventually we may get close to the truth?

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#36 Post by Boac » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:18 am

Is it still safe to order a Chinese take-away?

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#37 Post by Woody » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:31 am

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Is it still safe to order a Chinese take-away?
Had one last week for MrsWoody’s birthday and we’re all still here :-bd
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#38 Post by ian16th » Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:17 am

How did all these dead Chinamen cancel their phone contracts?
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#39 Post by Boac » Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:28 am

Woody wrote:Had one last week for MrsWoody’s birthday and we’re all still here
the bad news is it takes about a week for the infection to develop........ :ymdevil:

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A slow boat...

#40 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:55 am

The lyrics from from the Crowded House song seem strangely apposite to this thread...
Julius Caesar and the Roman Empire
Couldn't conquer the blue sky
Well, there's a small boat made of china
It's going nowhere on the mantelpiece
Of course the small boat would have been made in China as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag8XcMG1EX4
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