Lockup/ lockdown. How to end it?

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Re: Lockup/ lockdown. How to end it?

#221 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:22 am

BM, your last lecturer has a much more engaging manner than Jeff T. One may not agree entirely with what he says but his views can conceivably by true.

When we look at figure presented by MSM they are always presented in the most alarming fashion. Take the drink driving campaign of years gone by. Road deaths over Christmas. Shocking, but presented in a way that suggested no deaths when it wasn't Christmas.

Our county has a few road side death boards - figures for last year and this year. What do they mean? The odd one or two number difference is statistically irrelevant. How much does it cost to collate the figures, order new numbers each month, send someone out to each board throughout the county to update the boards? Who see them? Who thinks 'oh, it's gone up, I must take care'?

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#222 Post by barkingmad » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:09 am

Here’s another thought-provoking article from that centre of non-conformity, this one looking at trying to get out of the mess into which we have been propelled at breakneck speed without proper planning or risk-assessment;

https://lockdownsceptics.org/climbing-o ... bster-pot/

I particularly like this quote from 1774, the year not the beer named after a long time ago;

“To retract an error even in the beginning is no easy task. Perseverance confirms us in it and rivets the difficulty; but in a public station, to have been in an error, and to have persisted in it, when it is detected, ruins both reputation and fortune. To this we may add that disappointment and opposition inflame the minds of men and attach them still more to their mistakes.”

I doubt very much if this quote is permanently on display on the flipcharts nor the PowerPoint presentations in the Cummings bunker, though it might concentrate the minds therein, assuming a) they’ve got minds capable of independent thought and b) they’re brave enough to speak out and buck the trend.

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#223 Post by AtomKraft » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:17 pm

Nice quotation that, barking- and sums up the situation quite well.

I'd just add, that scaring the public completely shitless seems to have been easier than anyone expected.

But how do you 'unscare' them?

Answers on a postcard to:
Holee fook.
What have we done,
What the hell are we going to do now
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Lockdown
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#224 Post by Boac » Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:47 pm

I was not surprised to note the author is a (?? left-wing/huggy fluffy/snowflake/BLM supporter/labour voter?? - add/delete/amend as applicable) 'teacher'. Interestingly, in his 'piece he seems to have assumed that there is an 'immunity' to the virus, which I do not think has been established?

As with some 'talking heads', worth listening to for an opinion, but I wonder what he would have written had the government NOT called the lockdown, the NHS had ran out of beds and ICU capacity?

That, presumably, would have been the 'right' choice (but equally a choice based on little empirical knowledge and mainly 'guesswork).

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#225 Post by AtomKraft » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:05 pm

Whether you favour left or right, too much or not enough, the UK seems to have combined the best of both worlds.

1. Devastating death toll.
2. Devastated economy.

Ermm. That's it. (Cont. P.94).

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#226 Post by AtomKraft » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:10 pm

To be fair, I think the UK population are the least motivated in the world now, to work.
Paid to sit at home.
Terrified to leave the house.

What a combination....

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#227 Post by barkingmad » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:58 am

According to the Daily Torygraph;

“The analysis examines Office for National Statistics (ONS) data in the eight weeks that followed the national lockdown.

Researchers said the findings show that “lockdown has killed 21,000 people” because the policy has had “significant unintended consequences” such as lack of access to critical healthcare and a collapse in A&E attendances.

The study examines deaths data in recent months, and tracks it against long-term trends, taking account of other variables such as demographic and economic factors.

“It suggests that the lockdown – and the subsequent reduction in access to healthcare – increased total mortality by roughly 2,700 deaths a week.

It follows warnings that the number of people attending Accident and Emergency departments fell by 50% at some points during the pandemic, while urgent referrals for suspected cancer dropped by 70%.”

So that’s all right then, stay at home, protect the (empty) Nightingale Hospitals and go quietly mad...

And how many of the NON-Covid-1984 deaths have been wrongly registered as pan(dem)ic casualties?

For those of the Branch Covidian tendencies here’s a way of getting past the “bedwetters” who will shout at those who don’t wear a face nappy;

https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/8463396 ... 9691&frs=1

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#228 Post by AtomKraft » Sat Aug 01, 2020 7:58 am

Well, as I mentioned at the start of this thread, this lockdown is proving difficult to end.

I think the original lockdown was to protect the NHS by avoiding a spike in cases that might have proved overwhelming?

But now what?

The NHS is a long way from being overwhelmed now (in fact it never was....) so are we hoping to hide away forever?

As I said at the time, lockdown is just hiding. The bug will be waiting.

Only one person in 13,000 is infected today.

But the economy slips ever-deeper down the toilet with each week, and the non-Covid death toll, those killed by anti-Covid measures grows ever larger.

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#229 Post by barkingmad » Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:42 am

As previously reported, Project Fear Mk 2 lives on and will be extended in accordance with scientific guidance;

“SAGE Member Says Project Fear on Steroids Must be “Ramped Back Up”

A reader sent me this extraordinary comment made by Professor Robert West from University College London, a member of the behavioural science group that feeds into SAGE, on the Today programme. You really couldn’t make it up.

Prof Robert West, from University College London, a member of the behavioural science group which feeds into SAGE, said the level of concern people feel about the virus was easing and was even lower amongst young people.
He said this level of concern was “the key thing” which encouraged people to take the necessary action to protect their community. We need to ramp that back up to appropriate levels”.

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#230 Post by barkingmad » Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:03 pm

Here is yet another ‘bugged recording’ from the Branch Covidian compound somewhere oop north in the UK and our thanks to our contacts in GCHQ for liberating this discussion.

There is an awful lot of info on this one and maybe best to split the 70+ minutes into bite-size nuggets for consumption;



The title of the audio-only discussion says it all, just as we’re being threatened with the infamous ‘second wave’, 50yr olds being locked down for reasons never explained and also why the pubs should shut so’s the schools can open. Can any of our more perceptive, shrewd and intelligent well-informed O-N members explain these last 2 dramatically important plague precautions?
I always understood schoolchildren were not allowed (alone) in pubs, unless they’re the spawns of David Cameron.

4 hours to go before I can open the gin bottle with a cloudy conscience..... ~X(

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#231 Post by barkingmad » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:14 pm

Some more thoughts on the UK lockdown from one of m’learned friends;

“It was arguably unlawful for three reasons. Firstly, the measures were not within the parameters of the 1984 Public Health Act. That act does not grant powers to lock down the country, impose restrictions on when people can leave their houses, go to church, meet others or protest. Secondly, the secretary of state for health, Matt Hancock, had ‘fettered his discretion’ in relation to how long the measures would last – that is to say, he provided five tests which had to be complied with, all of which related to the virus, before the regulations could be changed. This was unlawful because it prevented him from looking at all factors when making his decision.
Finally, the measures were arguably disproportionate breaches of rights protected in the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), including Article Five, the right to liberty (impacted by regulations about when people could leave the house); Article Eight, the right to family and private lives; Article Nine, freedom of religious belief and expression; Article 11, the right to freedom of assembly and association; and Article Two, which relates to the right to education – impacted by the closure of schools.“

The question is, when do we get the undoubted pleasure of watching all the ‘eggspurts’ and the Hancock’s HalfHour team being locked UP? :-w

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#232 Post by Boac » Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pm

Surprised to see YOU endorsing the ECHCR =))

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#233 Post by barkingmad » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:54 pm

Boac wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 2:32 pm
Surprised to see YOU endorsing the ECHCR =))
IF BoJo & Co have transgressed against ECHR diktats and we’re still subject to it, then so be it, I will be happy that the end justifies the means.

Anything to get rid of these pretend public health measures and to return to a pre-Covid1984 existence. How else can you explain locking up the over 50s and shutting pubs so that schools can open? Snake oil is in abundance!!

And anyway, if we reach escape velocity by midnight 31/12/20 then we’ll be clear of them and the Democratic will of the peasants will have prevailed, unless BoJo gives in to some soggy ‘coitus interruptus’ deal with the EUSSR and then there may be trouble.

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#234 Post by G-CPTN » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:59 pm

Explain to me the logic to allow people of different households to congregate indoors for 'social intercourse'.

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#235 Post by barkingmad » Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:03 pm

G-CPTN wrote:
Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:59 pm
Explain to me the logic to allow people of different households to congregate indoors for 'social intercourse'.
Breeding the future generations?! =))

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#236 Post by barkingmad » Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:13 am

From a recent OECD paper;

“Decisions on implementing lockdown during the coronavirus pandemic were based on what neighbouring countries were doing at the time, a new study has suggested.

In research of 36 countries in the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) – including the UK, US and New Zealand – Swedish researchers examined when world leaders made decisions on issues like school closures and restrictions on internal travel.

They found that despite differences in the spread of the virus, countries mimicked each other in a short space of time, with around 80% of OECD nations implementing multiple measures within a two-week period in March.

The researchers said this was “striking” given the differences in the scale of the pandemic in each country, the preparedness of their healthcare systems and the makeup of their populations.

Author Professor Karl Wennberg, from the Institute for Analytical Sociology at Linkoping University, said: “We found that the decisions were not based on, or had a very weak correlation to, standard epidemiological indicators such as number of infections, number of deaths, intensive care capacity etc.

“A much stronger determinant was whether many neighbouring countries had already implemented measures.”

Corporal Jones’ voice shouting ‘Don’t panic” was obviously drowned out by the pan(dem)ic?!

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#237 Post by AtomKraft » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:26 pm

Exactly.
Since when did we copy the Chinks, of all people?

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#238 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Sun Aug 16, 2020 3:56 pm

Sing at home... Mr Orliński is a gifted operatic counter tenor wherever he sings...



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#239 Post by barkingmad » Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:17 am

As the Monty Python team used to say “And now for something completely different!”

https://theconversation.com/7-ways-to-m ... bia-138120

Although any ‘phobia’ these days seems to be regarded as a hate crime/non-crime so be careful to whom you admit that you do have coronaphobia or the Thought Police will be onto you quicker than an armed response group in the UK in the event of a home burglary being reported.

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#240 Post by barkingmad » Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:24 am

More bleeding glimpses of the obvious from the world of big money as we are told UK debt is now £2,000,000,000,000!

https://www.investmentweek.co.uk/interv ... -error-wwi

Having wrecked the economy there is very little chance that, despite any overwhelming evidence to the contrary, our illustrious leaders will ever admit that they blew it bigtime on this pan(dem)ic.

And what pan(dem)ic measures will appear this winter as the British Standard influenza begins to manifest it’s normal progress?

Will we see the GP and A&E waiting rooms flooded by folk who are convinced they’ve caught Covid-1984? Watch this space...

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