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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#941 Post by John Hill » Sun May 09, 2021 6:01 am

EA01 wrote:
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Yeah...well numbers have no colour and do not lie......


Whataboutary....
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#942 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun May 09, 2021 6:35 am

Apart from kicking this to the next page, what about what John?

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#943 Post by prospector » Sun May 09, 2021 8:15 am

If no one can dispute those figures, and I would say from numbers from other sites they are very close to being correct, what legs do these BLM activists have to stand on??

Surely if one cannot deduce from the happenings in America relating to BLM activities, that they are purely for political purpose, and are achieving what??

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#944 Post by John Hill » Sun May 09, 2021 8:55 am

Whataboutery,
...the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#945 Post by EA01 » Sun May 09, 2021 9:44 am

Yes John,....we know what 'whataboutery' is.......that is not the issue here though is it? The issue here is, as what is outlined in that clip. Now I've not the energy or inclination to research the numbers, in this instance I'm taking them at face value....so there is no 'whataboutery ', there is simply that fact that a White Police officer is far more likely to be killed by a black male than a black male is to be killed by a White policeman....and way way worse for blacks living alongside blacks in places like Chicago......& I know Chicago!, my Sister lived there for years & I'd visited...nasty place in many ways

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#946 Post by John Hill » Sun May 09, 2021 11:23 am

You are still resorting to whataboutery.
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#947 Post by Pontius Navigator » Sun May 09, 2021 1:41 pm

John Hill wrote:
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You are still resorting to whataboutery.
Ty, I had not realised it was a word.

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#948 Post by OFSO » Sun May 09, 2021 4:53 pm

*the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.*

The technical name for this is "Throwing a dead cat on the table" according to this weekend's Financial Times.

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#949 Post by Nick Riviera » Mon May 10, 2021 9:46 am

John Hill wrote:
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You are still resorting to whataboutery.
Actually it is not whataboutery, it is a direct rebuttal of the claims made by BLM and so is completely relevant to the debate. You are just behaving like people who fling the word "racist" into a debate when they don't like what is being said, however factual it is.

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#950 Post by John Hill » Mon May 10, 2021 10:36 am

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Actually it is not whataboutery, it is a direct rebuttal of the claims made by BLM and so is completely relevant to the debate.
That is utter horse radishes! The claim made by the women was that she faced a fear of being racially profiled whenever she leaves her home. The man responded by saying nothing about racial profiling but instead saying "What about crimes commited by blacks in Chicago?"
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#951 Post by Nick Riviera » Mon May 10, 2021 5:01 pm

John Hill wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 10:36 am
Nick Riviera wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 9:46 am

Actually it is not whataboutery, it is a direct rebuttal of the claims made by BLM and so is completely relevant to the debate.
That is utter horse radishes! The claim made by the women was that she faced a fear of being racially profiled whenever she leaves her home. The man responded by saying nothing about racial profiling but instead saying "What about crimes commited by blacks in Chicago?"
He actually provided statistics to show that she had no need to fear being profiled/killed by police. But don't let the facts get in the way of one of your rants.

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#952 Post by John Hill » Mon May 10, 2021 7:55 pm

He did not provide statistics about fear of racial profiling, he spouted 'statistics' about the people getting killed. He did not say anything at all about racial profiling as faced by the black woman every time she leaves her house. Pure whataboutery.
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#953 Post by prospector » Mon May 10, 2021 11:03 pm

You do not seem to believe the provable numbers as quoted in the clip, yet you appear to believe the fantasy world of the black woman. If she really believes every policeman including many who are black, are out there for no other reason except to murder her, or any other "person of colour", if anyone believes that political agitating crap, why do they not emigrate to a peaceful black run country such as Zimbabwe where they can lead a life of harmony knowing they will not be molested by any policeman because of their colour?

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#954 Post by John Hill » Tue May 11, 2021 12:01 am

prospector wrote:
Mon May 10, 2021 11:03 pm
You do not seem to believe the provable numbers as quoted in the clip, yet you appear to believe the fantasy world of the black woman. If she really believes every policeman including many who are black, are out there for no other reason except to murder her, or any other "person of colour", if anyone believes that political agitating crap, why do they not emigrate to a peaceful black run country such as Zimbabwe where they can lead a life of harmony knowing they will not be molested by any policeman because of their colour?

The numbers may, or may not, be true but either way she did not mention police killings of blacks or even killings at all. Her opening comments were that people who do not look like her may have a problem understanding her problem. She certainly did not say anything about police wanting to murder her or others of her hue.

She should not have to emigrate anywhere if she is already in her home country and she can hardly be blamed for the forced relocation of her ancestors.

You, like the man in the debate, have avoided any mention of racial profiling and can offer nothing but whataboutery.
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#955 Post by prospector » Tue May 11, 2021 3:21 am

Would this be a good way to escape racial profiling perhaps??

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#956 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 am

John, you are being deliberately argumentative. We know what she means. We know what the figures suggest. You know the figures. You know what she fears.

Take the argument on. Acknowledge the bear in the room.

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#957 Post by Boac » Tue May 11, 2021 6:58 am

That needs to be stamped on firmly (maybe see Chauvin when he gets out?). If we are not 'allowed' to have 'white' men 'blacking up' then ...............

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#958 Post by John Hill » Tue May 11, 2021 7:12 am

Pontius Navigator wrote:
Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 am
John, you are being deliberately argumentative. We know what she means. We know what the figures suggest. You know the figures. You know what she fears.

Take the argument on. Acknowledge the bear in the room.
She said she and others like her have a fear of being racially profiled whenever she sees police. He completely ignored racial profiling and instead spoke of something else. Whataboutery.
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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#959 Post by Pontius Navigator » Tue May 11, 2021 7:39 am

John, we have gone way past that. Is her point valid? Is the counter point justification for why she is fearful?

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Re: Black Lives Matter Bollocks

#960 Post by John Hill » Tue May 11, 2021 7:50 am

What you call the counter point is related to a different matter entirely and hence has no bearing at all on how she feels when facing the police.
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