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[EA01]

None so blind as those that cannot see.

Indeed John.....

More than a 1000 since 2014...deemed to be 'bad character grounds'

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... king-there

[John Hill]

I can see exactly what is happening......

Young people, infants and children, from NZ go to Australia where instead of the exciting life in the bright lights that were after they find themselves caught up in Australian criminal society. If they are unlucky to fall into the Australian justice system they are likely to be deported to NZ.

They arrive back in NZ, possibly decades after they left, with no money, possibly no family and only their Australian learned criminal ways to support themselves. They have a bleak future.

Australians think this is a fair deal.

Australia also exports racial hatred and terrorism to NZ.

Your quoting of Lionel Patea demonstrates your arrant hypocrisy.

[bob2s]

quote --- Young people, infants and children, from NZ go to Australia where instead of the exciting life in the bright lights that were after they find themselves caught up in Australian criminal society. If they are unlucky to fall into the Australian justice system they are likely to be deported to NZ.-----end quote

There was no one forcing them into the criminal life,they could of opted for the bright lights they were after. Life is full of choices, make the wrong one and you suffer the consequences.

[John Hill]

There was no one forcing them into the criminal life,they could of opted for the bright lights they were after. Life is full of choices, make the wrong one and you suffer the consequences.

They are not criminals when they go to Australia but they become criminals when they are there so how is that the fault of NZ?

Why are they punished twice for their crimes or deemed bad character?

[prospector]

You say "Young people, infants and children, from NZ go to Australia" "If they are unlucky to fall into the Australian justice system they are likely to be deported to NZ.-----end quote
bob2 writes ". Life is full of choices, make the wrong one and you suffer the consequences."
I know which statement sounds the most credible to me. One does not fall into the justice system, one first has to break the law. There are a hell of lot of NZ'ers who have chosen to live in Australia, the vast majority have no problem complying with the laws of that country.

One way to have any certainty of permanence of residence is to become a citizen of the adopted country, many ex NZ'ers have, but it normally requires a test of knowledge of the customs and history of the adopted country, Of these people being deported for criminal activity, do they not have the expertise to pass these citizenship tests??

[John Hill]

You did not address my questions. Why is their criminal activities in Australia the responsibility of NZ and why are they punished twice for their crimes?

[prospector]

Because that is what the law of Australia states. If you cannot comply with their laws, you stand the risk of being deported.

How do you ascertain that their criminal activities is the responsibility of NZ? The perpetrators should know what the punishment is for breaking the law, if they believe it is worth the risk and they get caught, is that the fault of the Australian legal system??

[John Hill]

Answering questions with questions? Not good.

[prospector]

"Because that is what the law of Australia states. If you cannot comply with their laws, you stand the risk of being deported."

If you consider that statement a question then this thread is a waste of time.

[John Hill]

I asked the questions in post #44 but you have avoided them.

Yes I know this thread is a waste of time.

[John Hill]

https://theconversation.com/new-zealand ... old-157583

[prospector]

Please read, and digest the fact in the article rather than the stirring crap generated by people trying to sell so called news.

" It later emerged the Department of Home Affairs said the youth had requested deportation, although it added he would have been removed anyway."

[John Hill]

Did you not read "although it added he would have been removed anyway"?

Even in Australian someone of 15 years of age is considered a minor.

But you think his deportation would be OK..

[prospector]

He requested deportation because he had more, and closer family in NZ. If he had of remained in Australia there would be little doubt he would have only got involved in more serious criminality.

[John Hill]

He requested deportation because he had more, and closer family in NZ.

Where did you get this information from, sorry, you don't answer questions so I can only believe that detail is a product of your imagination.

If he had of remained in Australia there would be little doubt he would have only got involved in more serious criminality.

I am in awe of your credentials for this opinion.

[prospector]

Do you not even read the information in the articles you paste referring to this discussion? or is it just comprehension>
Taken from that article you pasted.

Recent reports about the deportation of a 15-year-old from Australia to New Zealand have reignited a dispute between the two countries about the proper management of offenders who have been born overseas.

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"It later emerged the Department of Home Affairs said the youth had "requested deportation", although it added he would have been removed anyway."

I admit I added the fact that he requested to be sent back because he had 'closer family in New Zealand', but I can remember the case and that was a very relevant point.

[John Hill]

Nothing to back up your assertion that he had more and closer family in NZ.

Nothing to support your opinion that "he would have only got involved in more serious criminality."

[bob2s]

John, you seem to have some problem with accepting the fact that taking up crime was a choice the 15 year old boy made, as I stated, he suffered the consequences of Australian law,a law that we were in our right to enforce.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politi ... is-request
The report towards the end of the article which mentions your Foreign Minister sums it up I feel.

[prospector]

" Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta had been unwilling to confirm if the minor had been deported for committing a criminal offence, but indicated the decision was made in the boy’s best interests."

John, did you get in touch with the Foreign Minister, who no doubt had a better appreciation of the situation than you, and advise her she was wrong???

[John Hill]

" Foreign Minister Nanaia Mahuta had been unwilling to confirm if the minor had been deported for committing a criminal offence, but indicated the decision was made in the boy’s best interests."

John, did you get in touch with the Foreign Minister, who no doubt had a better appreciation of the situation than you, and advise her she was wrong???

Unwilling to confirm means neither yes nor no.