EU playing politics with Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine

[Alisoncc]

Is this some kind of "getting even" taking place between the EU and Oxford/AstraZeneca? EU had their necks put out of joint when they lost the public skirmish over deliveries and order schedules. So now they are rubbishing the product. Millions in the UK have been successfully vaccinated with the product.

38 people in a scandy country with blood clots, out of how many worldwide protected??

[Rwy in Sight]

And is there a clear link between the vaccine and the clots in the patients vaccinated. Plus how many clots to Scandi people during a similar period few years back.

I feel there games if you see how the age thereshold moved in Continental EU

[Pontius Navigator]

Figures for clots in UK is a factor of 0.2 and of Covid 1.0. That was not %. I can't remember the base, whether is was in 10,000 or 100,000

[Boac]

It is extremely strange and smacks, as you say, of childish annoyance. As far as I know BOTH the Pfizer and the AZ vax have reported cases of thrombosis post vax, the Pfizer slightly less than the AZ in numbers per 100,000, yet the Pfizer vax remains 'OK'?

The crazy thing is that the numbers per 100,000 of incidence post-Vax are LESS than the expected numbers of Thrombosis cases in the general un-vaccinated population. Go figure. I'm surprised the European governments have not suspended the flu vaccine since there have been many thousands of deaths following vaccination.

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Yes of course it needs to be watched, as do any noted 'side effects' post any vax, but not like this.

[Alisoncc]

Boac, more interested in the political overtones. Haven't seen any scientific types knocking the product, only political ones. Funny eh.

[AtomKraft]

The EU are a shower of stupid bastards.

Thank feck we fecked off!

[Boac]

Hear hear - but while the EU started this, other countries have joined the circus.

[Pontius Navigator]

If you haven't got and can't get it, say its rubbish anyway and you didn't want it any way. Anyone remember this in primary school?

There are so many unknowns but against knowns I think it is something like 98.7 to 1.3.

Side effects against the myriad of human variations will throw up some oddities. We have already established that Africans in UK are more susceptible than Europeans but perhaps those living in Africa less so.
We know that many tests were done against South Americans. It is possible that purer ethnic groups such as Scandis react in a different way? That is Mrs PN's thought.

[Boac]

It is possible that purer ethnic groups such as Scandis react in a different way? That is Mrs PN's thought.

To answer that you need the 'normal' incidence of Thrombosis there to draw any meaningful conclusions.

[tango15]

This is outright politicking - nothing else. It is a classic example of how differently from us (in the UK) they think. Their manner, even after all these years is still confrontational - I suppose they just can't help it. Maybe we should have taught them how to play cricket

When I was a purveyor of flying machines, I lost count of the number of times when the opposition (usually Fokker or ATR) would come up with some dirty little trick (usually at the last minute), to try to prevent them losing a sale. Shorts and ourselves never played such games. We just lay all the facts before the customer and let them decide.

It makes me laugh how Spain in salivating over the prospect of of recovering Gibraltar, post Brexit. Sigan soñando, toreros! Why do you want a useless piece of limestone poking out into the Med anyway? Because it's British I imagine - would they try it on if Gibraltar was German or French? You've already got Ceuta and Melilla (which are never spoken of, but which Morocco would like back one day), so what would you do with Campo Gibraltar if you ever got your hands on it? Tear up Trafalgar Cemetery, perhaps?

I suspect the EU is rattled by the fact that we've been able to administer 20 million doses of the vaccine, while many of the other EU members are still floundering around in their political morass and doing not a lot in terms of protecting their citizens from the pandemic. Even the WHO has said the AZ vaccine is OK and should be administered wherever possible.

[Pontius Navigator]

Tango, please do keep up. 26,000,000 total as of yesterday of which 1,610,000 were second dose.

Now assuming the population over 20 is 50 million we have vaccinated 50% of the adult population.

[tango15]

Tango, please do keep up. 26,000,000 total as of yesterday of which 1,610,000 were second dose.

Now assuming the population over 20 is 50 million we have vaccinated 50% of the adult population.

Apologies, PN. I drafted it out a few days ago!

[Pontius Navigator]

Tango, only pulling your leg. Isn't 50% amazing. Now we should have all these extra AZ jabs too.

[tango15]

Tango, only pulling your leg. Isn't 50% amazing. Now we should have all these extra AZ jabs too.

[Boac]

It would appear that the only solidarity in the EU is between the ears.

[Rwy in Sight]

I am wondering how many EU nationals would jump to the opportunity to be vaccinated using AZ taking the slots of people listening to the current EU announcements.

[OFSO]

If I understood yesterday's news there's consideration here of destroying 17,000 doses of the dangerous AZ vaccine. That'll teach the perfidious British a lesson.

PS Italy yesterday recorded the highest death rate this year.

[Pontius Navigator]

Are the Pfizer blood clots better than the AZ ones?

[Boac]

Does the fact that German company is set to benefit heavily from use of the (expensive) Pfizer vaccine affect any decisions? Ah! - If only BM had left us his postage stamp.

[1DC]

The Pfizer blood clots are exactly the same as the AZ blood clots, this is what you would expect because neither one causes blood clots. Unfortunately that doesn't suit the politics of the clots in Brussels.