Suez: Long term implications ??

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#81 Post by John Hill » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:34 am

just toss them overboard.
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#82 Post by bob2s » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:43 am

No need to unload due to this. The giant container ship blocking the Suez Canal has reportedly been refloated a week after it veered off course, causing huge disruption to trade.
https://www.news.com.au/world/africa/ta ... 547a6b3c01

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#83 Post by Rwy in Sight » Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:46 am

The question obviously now is how to normalize the traffic flow quickly and safely.

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#84 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:01 am

bob2s wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:43 am
No need to unload due to this. The giant container ship blocking the Suez Canal has reportedly been refloated a week after it veered off course, causing huge disruption to trade.
https://www.news.com.au/world/africa/ta ... 547a6b3c01
What does partially unfloated mean? The article makes an illogical jump. It states that the ship was partially unfloated and has been refloated. If it it has been partially unfloated, then it has been partially refloated, which is all meaningless garbage.

What is the actual status of the ship?

If a project manager brought me a status report like that, I'd tear him a new arsehole! Only a politician or the idiot press could come up with such a report. :)

Maersk's, who are being delayed in the canal, current status report reads:
March 28, 2021 - Update 8 -28 March 2021

The Suez Canal passage continues to be blocked in both directions. Whilst efforts continue to dislodge the container ship operated by Evergreen Marine, numbers show that over 300 ships are now waiting at anchorage to pass through the canal. Currently Maersk and partners have three vessels stuck in the canal and 27 vessels waiting to enter the canal, with two more expected to reach the blockage today. We have until now redirected 15 vessels around the Cape of Good Hope at the southern tip of Africa.
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#85 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:13 am

With the costs of the closure of one of the world’s most vital maritime arteries growing by the day, salvage teams hoped on Sunday to take advantage of the full moon and swelling tides to dislodge the giant cargo ship stuck in the Suez Canal.

Late Saturday, tugboat drivers sounded their horns in celebration of the most visible sign of progress since the ship ran aground late Tuesday:

The 220,000-ton Ever Given had moved.

Granted, it did not go far — just two degrees, or about 100 feet, according to shipping officials. But that came on top of progress in the days before, when canal officials said dredgers had managed to dig out the rear of the ship, freeing its rudder.

By Saturday afternoon, they had dredged 18 meters down into the canal’s eastern bank. But officials cautioned that the ship’s bow remained firmly planted in the soil and that the operation still faced significant hurdles.

The company that oversees the ship’s operations and crew, Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement, said a dozen tugboats were helping, the latest a specialist tug registered in the Netherlands, the ALP Guard, arrived on the scene on Sunday.

“Further attempts to refloat the vessel will continue this evening once the tug is safely in position along with the 11 tugs already on site,” the company said.

Several dredgers, including a specialized suction dredger that can extract 2,000 cubic meters of material per hour, were digging around the vessel’s bow, the company said.

Lt. Gen. Osama Rabie, the chairman of the Suez Canal Authority, said that water had started running underneath the vessel. “We expect that at any time the ship could slide and move from the spot it is in,” he told a news conference on Saturday.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/03/28 ... stuck-ship

In this case Rabie is the politician with the "cheque, may, or may not be in the post" type statement!
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#86 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:19 am

Nice view of the ship running up the canal on a better day...

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#87 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:35 am

Video posted on social media appeared to show the ship had swung around, opening space in the canal. Other footage, which could not be immediately verified by Reuters, included cheering and ships' horns sounding in celebration.

At least 369 vessels were waiting to transit the canal, including dozens of container ships, bulk carriers, oil tankers and liquefied natural gas (LNG) or liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) vessels, SCA Chairman Osama Rabie said.

The ship's technical manager Bernhard Schulte Shipmanagement (BSM) did not immediately respond to a request to comment.
Now this may be more like it... even though the logical Swiss report contains an innate contradiction and none of it has been confirmed....

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/su ... d/46487608
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#88 Post by Pontius Navigator » Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:10 am

But the top ones will be the lighter ones with the sex toys and blow up dolls.

Unfortunately it will be the heavy b*ggers at the bottom that matter.

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#89 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:36 am

AIS shows the stern to be mid-channel, but the bow is still stuck fast.

This morning's high tide is due at 09:42z. Let's hope that the addition of the very powerful Dutch tug and the other newly arrived Italian one can drag her off that pesky rock formation under the boxship's forefoot.

If they fail, then the torsional and hog-bend forces on the hull will be torturous at LW.

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#90 Post by Boac » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:21 am

PN wrote:But the top ones will be the lighter ones with the sex toys and blow up dolls.
Only, presumably, if the ship's crew have already inflated them out of boredom?
Unfortunately it will be the heavy b*ggers at the bottom that matter.
Indeed - the Lord preserve me from the buggers at my bottom.

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#91 Post by TheGreenGoblin » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:21 am

Boac wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:21 am
PN wrote:But the top ones will be the lighter ones with the sex toys and blow up dolls.
Only, presumably, if the ship's crew have already inflated them out of boredom?
Unfortunately it will be the heavy b*ggers at the bottom that matter.]
Indeed - the Lord preserve me from the buggers at my bottom.
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#92 Post by Boac » Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:38 am

Let's face it, once they have all had the 'Golden Rivet' tour, what else is there? =))

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#93 Post by ian16th » Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:42 am

Probably a stupid question, but, now the stern is floating, is it a feasable option to use the ships own engines to reverse off the sand?
Or would there be too big a risk, and a more gentle approach is needed.

Dunno how you define 'gentle' when talking about 200 000 tons!
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#94 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:53 am

ian16th wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:42 am
Probably a stupid question, but, now the stern is floating, is it a feasable option to use the ships own engines to reverse off the sand?
Or would there be too big a risk, and a more gentle approach is needed.

Dunno how you define 'gentle' when talking about 200 000 tons!
Too much backwatering (reverse thrust) would fluff up the sediment and shove it under the forefoot, thus being somewhat counterproductive.

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#95 Post by ian16th » Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:59 am

fluff up the sediment
There's a phrase that sets the imagination going!
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#96 Post by Woody » Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:51 pm

Ex CalMac skipper? Up here, they're paralytic half the time. Crashing into piers and jetties common place. Bosun usually has to fetch them out the pub half way through some yarn 5 minutes before sailing.
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#97 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:28 pm

Good news, at last!

She's making a stately 3.1kts right in middle of the canal and in perfect alignment, as of 13:25z.

An impressive array of tugs in formation with her.

I can almost hear the Chamapagne corks popping in Zalmstraat Rotterdam from here in Scotland. :YMPARTY:

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#98 Post by tango15 » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:43 pm

Undried Plum wrote:
Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:28 pm
Good news, at last!

She's making a stately 3.1kts right in middle of the canal and in perfect alignment, as of 13:25z.

An impressive array of tugs in formation with her.

I can almost hear the Chamapagne corks popping in Zalmstraat Rotterdam from here in Scotland. :YMPARTY:
...and presumably in the Svitzer headquarters in Copenhagen - kerching!

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#99 Post by Undried Plum » Mon Mar 29, 2021 1:55 pm

20nm to run until she passes the Southermost vessel at anchor in the Bitter Lake. By chance, a sistership, Ever Excel.

4.2 knots now, so about 5 hours until she's clear and able to be anchored and have a diver survey of the hull fore and aft.

I guess they'll have to do a hydrographic survey of the locus of the incident before they can start to clear the backlog of 350 ships which are at anchor and eager to get on with their voyages.

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#100 Post by ian16th » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:03 pm

Salvage teams were blaring their foghorns in celebration as they pulled the Ever Given towards the Great Bitter Lake,
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Do you have any idea what sort of wealth the salvage guys will be sharing?
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